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I've done about 3,000 miles on the new road bike I got last December and now that the season is over I'm thinking of taking it in for an annual service. What would I normally expect to be done, and how much should it cost?

Which parts should be replaced by now? I've got new tyres to put on. I was wondering if the chain should be changed. I asked at a nearby bike shop (recommended by Shimano) and they said there's no point replacing the chain if the gears are still working OK (as a new chain wouldn't fit so well with the part-worn rings and sprockets) - they said to just keep going until I have trouble with the gears and then it's best to replace the chain, chainrings, and cassette all at the same time.

Also some of the paint has been scraped off expsoing the frame on the headtube a bit. Is that something that ought to be sorted? (This is a carbon dedacciai frame - that can't rust, can it?)

Teh Movable Object (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Sunday, 1 November 2009 17:07 (eleven years ago) link

pretty sure that carbon doesn't rust, but you can get it refinished if the finishing layers of the chemical stuff that bonds it are scraped away. i have a feeling that won't be an LBS job though.

lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Sunday, 1 November 2009 22:59 (eleven years ago) link

I went and asked in my lbs the other day about getting my carbon bike serviced, and they said there was no point in getting a thorough one as pretty much all the bearings on the bike are sealed.

They're right about the drivetrain - there's no point/need to change it until you're getting slippage as you should replace at least the cassette as well. I am starting to get slippage now after about 3700 miles.

I can't think of anything else, apart from the tyres, which *should* be replaced so soon, though any unusual wear will be unique to your bike of course. What fettling have you done so far yourself?

Mark C, Monday, 2 November 2009 08:06 (eleven years ago) link


Teh Movable Object (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 2 November 2009 09:25 (eleven years ago) link

Fettling = cleaning, tweaking, fixing, replacing parts, any stuff that you do to the bike to keep it in tip top shape, basically.

Mark C, Monday, 2 November 2009 12:36 (eleven years ago) link

Hmmm. Not done much of that, to be honest. I got an initial check-up/service done after 100 miles. Since then I've given it the occasional superficial clean and lubricate the chain, mechs, brakes, etc. I changed both the tyres in the spring because the original ones had got cut to shreds and I've had to deal with one or two punctures, but that's about it. I haven't really had to fiddle with anything else because it all works fine most of the time (although the chain has an annoying habit of coming off if I sprint hard down a hill in top gear).

Teh Movable Object (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 2 November 2009 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

Actually, now I think about it, it's probably worth getting someone to check it over anyway. It must have taken a bit of a pounding when I had that crash a couple of months ago. Also, it was on a bracket on some stairs earlier in the year - the bracket fell out of the wall while I was at work and the bike somersaulted down the stairs. Also, I managed to bash the right brake/gear hood into a brick wall while trying to squeeze past a parked car.

Teh Movable Object (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 2 November 2009 16:10 (eleven years ago) link

People are very cagey about carbon bikes getting damaged, and although it's true that when the frame is stressed in ways for which it's not designed, it can be damaged leading to catastrophic failure at a later date, it's also true that they're a LOT hardier than people assume and a few jolts and bang probably won't cause anything more than superficial scrapes.

Having said that, it is worth telling the mechanic about your crashes and see what he says. It's harder to give carbon an integrity check than metal but I understand it can be done.

Mark C, Monday, 2 November 2009 16:25 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

so i was gonna take this to a frame builder to have the dropout bent (it's about 5mm too far open) but dude said he wasn't gonna use a jig and was likely just going to use a c-clamp or w/e. so i figured i'd do it myself.

however: i tried using vise-grips but can't get any kind of purchase---what to do, iltrmbxors?

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Monday, 1 March 2010 21:00 (eleven years ago) link


nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Monday, 1 March 2010 21:52 (eleven years ago) link

Err ahh hmmm. What about a 2 x 4 brace held together by C-clamps so that it stays straight, and some body weight?

The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:02 (eleven years ago) link

I don't know, that's awfully DIY and I don't know how likely to go horribly wrong. It's just the first thing that occurred to me.

The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:03 (eleven years ago) link

gbx, I'm curious to see how this goes. I would like to work on making a fixie of my old Flandria, but one of the rear drop-outs is bent, causing the wheel to sit off kilter, which can be offset by jury rigging the hub placement (but this puts extra strain on the wheel). The shop techs I've asked about it don't seem to want to touch it (for liability reasons, I suppose), but have recommended that I do it myself with VGs. I'm nervous about doing so, for obv reasons, but at the same time, I'd like to try to remedy the situation before I make any big plans for the frame.

Man or Austro-Hungarian? (Pillbox), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:17 (eleven years ago) link

This is some lamo shit, but illustrates a sort of jig I was thinking of.

The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:30 (eleven years ago) link


nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:31 (eleven years ago) link

I guess with the hanger on the bottom you'd actually have to add that distance to measurement A also but ymmv. You can see what I was getting at.

The other side of genetic power today (Laurel), Monday, 1 March 2010 22:43 (eleven years ago) link

you want the tool that is a bar with a bolt at 90 deg that screws into your derailler hanger. you can manipulate the dropout pretty much as you wish with it. no idea who makes this tool or what its called. its not exactly the derailler hanger alignment tool, but is similar. ?

malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Monday, 1 March 2010 23:51 (eleven years ago) link

i ~just~ got my annual service on my bike (last free one):

full tune-up
greased up the parts i can't reach with my lol multi-tool
replaced rear derailleur cable (do i overshift?)
replaced chain (dude said i should have done so 6 months ago/every 2.5k, it was pretty stretched out)
new bar tape on my right hand (took a lil spill a while back and was beginning to unravel)

took a few rides to stretch out the derailleur cable and now it's back in biz. anything obvious overlooked?

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 03:14 (eleven years ago) link

I'm waiting for the snow to melt and then its a complete drivetrain rebuld. The salt has done horrible things to just about everything.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:01 (eleven years ago) link

^^^real talk

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:11 (eleven years ago) link

srsly tempted to buy a 199 scattante CX frame and just swap everything over to it, so sick of this dropout issue

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:12 (eleven years ago) link

...then eventually deal with it, and convert the cross check to full time fixed gear pootler

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:12 (eleven years ago) link

Considering getting the frame powder coated. There's a girl in town I met who'd had her cross-check completely stripped and powder coated, much tougher than paint.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:25 (eleven years ago) link

hoping my chain lasts till then.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:27 (eleven years ago) link

oh just get a new chain ffs

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:31 (eleven years ago) link

Snow should be history in a week or so.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:36 (eleven years ago) link

it's gone here!

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:38 (eleven years ago) link

*braces for blizzard*

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:38 (eleven years ago) link

47˚F this weekend

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:41 (eleven years ago) link

Chain saved, thanks to:

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 03:47 (ten years ago) link

for now, at least

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 03:48 (ten years ago) link

ed what is the going rate for stripping/powdercoating out there? thinking of having my bike redone.

malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 17:09 (ten years ago) link

I need to find out but I recall it not being very expensive, closer to $100 than $200.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 17:15 (ten years ago) link

i think spectrum in co springs was on the order of $200+ last time i checked, so that sounds good.

my frame is ti with an old team powdercoat scheme. i've been told i can pretty much peel my existing powdercoat off with a little effort. which i dont wanna make.

malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 17:24 (ten years ago) link

i was gonna say yr right by spectrum who are supposed to be GOAT powdercoat dudes

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 17:29 (ten years ago) link

they did my current scheme. apparently my frame was one of there first tests of fade schemes with powdercoat. it looks...ok. ive been gently told the scheme (orange/black) is fugly by a couple of "friends." i said, y'know, "s'alright because my frame might be ugly but at least my children are adorable not like yours- DONT YOU EVER INSULT MY BABY AGAIN!"

malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 17:39 (ten years ago) link

oh man ugly kids are just the worst

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 17:46 (ten years ago) link

ok, so my chain broke on the way home and I spent twenty minutes getting it out from behind the cassette.

I am contrite and humble before gbx.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 6 March 2010 01:49 (ten years ago) link

Out of curiosity, what is the worst thing you could reasonably predict might happen if your chain breaks while riding? This seems like it could be a really dangerous situation.

Man or Austro-Hungarian? (Pillbox), Saturday, 6 March 2010 02:50 (ten years ago) link

i think about this sometimes when climbing out of the saddle and worry for my gonads.

✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 6 March 2010 07:32 (ten years ago) link

search vid of millar hammering the final 500m of giro stage for very possible win when chain broke.

we need a "...but that's bike racing" thread, where we document the agonies and quiddities. i am not so great at dealing w/ agonies and quiddities in the moment, i get a little hot. u_u

malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Saturday, 6 March 2010 14:47 (ten years ago) link

See also braley wiggins in last years road worlds.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 6 March 2010 20:34 (ten years ago) link

Replacing the chain turned in to a major investigation. I think I need to replace:

brake cables
gear cables
BB Bearings, possibly the whole thing
rear derailleur sprockets

also I noticed that my dropout is slightly opening on the drive side in the same way as gbx, not as wide and not as much a concern given I'm riding geared, but it does seem to be a feature of the frame.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 7 March 2010 00:51 (ten years ago) link


i'm riding geared, too, btw! aside from the wheel popping out (in traffic!), the problems have been:

-- brake alignment. vertical play in the dropout ---> rim not equidistant from brake pads, also not square
-- skipping shifts. cog teeth not in parallel with chainring teeth ---> oh noes!
-- rim out of true. wheel gettin loaded like this \ instead of like this | ---> weirdo stuff with rim and spokes

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Sunday, 7 March 2010 21:09 (ten years ago) link

how old is this frame?

malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Sunday, 7 March 2010 21:36 (ten years ago) link

1.5 years

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Sunday, 7 March 2010 21:44 (ten years ago) link

so it all goes back to dropout alignment. makes total sense and is bad. warranty?

malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Sunday, 7 March 2010 22:16 (ten years ago) link

tried that, it's out of warranty. plus Surly are (apparently) notorious for denying warranty claims.

it's all sorted now, but the frame guy i went to (c4pricorn bikes, from whom i ~will~ be getting a frame in approx two years) said it might be weakened, so heads up

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Sunday, 7 March 2010 22:32 (ten years ago) link

hmm, interesting. I have found that unless I crank my skewer up really tight I can pull the wheel out of the dropout. I'm wondering if there is a weird loading at work. I'm wondering if the extra stress on the rear triangle due to the neither one thing nor the other dropout spacing is causing the frame to distort over time and throw things out.

So far I've not noticed any other symptoms.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 8 March 2010 02:09 (ten years ago) link

dont go breakin your 11 spd chain just to maintain- throw it out.

neurological bandwidth doctor (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 17:09 (ten years ago) link

how much are those things anyway

drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 17:43 (ten years ago) link

If you buy the chain you probably won't be able to afford the special tool so it all works out in the end.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 18:00 (ten years ago) link

So I measured my dropout and there is a 1.5mm difference between the hub end and the open end.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 20 March 2010 21:43 (ten years ago) link

dude! mine was up to 5mm. think it's now down to about 1mm. surly >:(

drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Saturday, 20 March 2010 21:51 (ten years ago) link


Ventus Bicycle Aerobars Recalled by 3T Cycling Srl Due to Fall Hazard

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall of the following products. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed.

Name of Product: Ventus Ltd(tm) and Ventus Team(tm) Bicycle Aerobars

Units: About 325

Designer: 3T Cycling Srl, Italy

Distributors: BikeMine, of Oklahoma City, Okla.; Quality Bicycle Parts, of Bloomington, Minn.; Security Bicycle Accessories, of Hempstead, N.Y.; and Bicycle Technologies International, Ltd. (BTI), of Santa Fe, N.M.

Hazard: The two rubber hand grips on the aerobars (handle bars) can loosen or slip off during use, posing a fall or injury hazard to the rider.

Incidents/Injuries: Two incidents were reported to 3T involving adults with minor abrasions.

Description: : This recall involves all Ventus Ltd, Ventus Ltd 17, Ventus Ltd Gold, Ventus Ltd Track, Ventus Team and Ventus Team 17 bicycle aerobars. The recalled aerobar models were sold in one size and color for each model; Black with red stripe for the Team and black with silver stripe for the Ltd. The "Ventus" and "3T" logos are on the top side of the bar with the model name.

Sold at: Independent bicycle retailers and Internet retailers nationwide sold the aerobars from January 2008 through November 2009 for about $1,200 for the Ltd. models and $1,000 for the Team models.

Manufactured in: Taiwan

Remedy: Contact BikeMine to receive a free redesigned rubber grip set and adhesive kit or information on how to bring your Ventus bar to a local retailer for a repair.

Good job I was never in the market for a $1200 pair of aero bars

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:39 (ten years ago) link

for over a grand they should swing by your place, pick them up, and drop em off when done?

fat mantis (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:43 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Fucking bb is creaking and wheezing. Scared to take it apart b/c I only have one bike and right now at least it WORKS, if I take it part and break/lose something, I might have to go weeks to replace it.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:07 (nine years ago) link

Also cotter pins.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:13 (nine years ago) link

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