TS: assos vs rapha vs pearl izumi

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rapha's minimalist style wins over assos sci-fi aesthetics, but assos is more comfortable, pearl izumi gets points for being the more economical choice of upper echelon bike apparel

cutty, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link

let's not forget descente, giordana, or swobo

cutty, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link

i like the look and feel of the rapha stuff i've seen, but the assos stuff i'm looking at online (never actually seen it?) seems just the wrong side of euro to me.

i'd probably pick pearl uzumi simply for the market position

gbx, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

On style, Rapha 100%. So classic, so minimal.

On cost, none of them; dear lord.

Laurel, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link

well i dont see you as a lycra type anyway?

cutty, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link

me or laurel?

i'm not. i like classy-looking rapha jerseys, tho. oh and their gloves, yow

gbx, Monday, 29 October 2007 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Hahah I used to be a lycra type: matching jerseys and shorts, dood. Rain gear too. Not these days, tho.

Laurel, Monday, 29 October 2007 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link

i meant laurel raving

cutty, Monday, 29 October 2007 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link


ddb, Monday, 29 October 2007 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link

get some XL camo cargo shorts with 9 pockets while yr at it

cutty, Monday, 29 October 2007 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link


ddb, Monday, 29 October 2007 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I've only worn pearl izumi out of those brands. As I mentioned elsewhere, I pretty much only wear cannibal gear coz I can get seconds hell cheap.

W4LTER, Monday, 29 October 2007 21:31 (sixteen years ago) link


Laurel, Monday, 29 October 2007 21:32 (sixteen years ago) link

oh man i saw some dude with furry top tube pad at the bike shop and the guys there were trying to keep from laughing at him

cutty, Monday, 29 October 2007 21:45 (sixteen years ago) link


Super Cub, Monday, 29 October 2007 21:47 (sixteen years ago) link



Mark C, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 12:01 (sixteen years ago) link

oh i heard about that

cutty, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 12:11 (sixteen years ago) link

oh my

gbx, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 13:49 (sixteen years ago) link

holy... better pix pls? link?

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link

The dude next to us at the Tour of Britain (when we were lounging on the grass watching the racers zoom by) had a Rapha Condor. Chris (aka Porkpie of this parish) was in lusty awe of it and it did look pretty sweet.

Does ILX reduce image sizes these days? Here's a pic of a Rapha Condor, albeit a different model from the one above, taken at the Cycle Show in London a few weeks ago:


Mark C, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 01:21 (sixteen years ago) link



ddb, Thursday, 1 November 2007 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link

i like the "it's always a perfect day slogan" (i prefer assos's "have a good ride!) but could their product line be any more confusing?

looks nice tho

cutty, Thursday, 1 November 2007 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

this is pretty !!! to me, can a londoner close to grays inn road hook a yank up?


(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 27 August 2009 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link

since my team kit is giordana, that is all i wear these days.

cutty, Thursday, 27 August 2009 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link

louis garneau and capo forma but wouldn't mind rapha/paul smith action.

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 27 August 2009 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link

what are the best shorts, i think it's time

crabRCISE (gbx), Thursday, 27 August 2009 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link

i only wear bibs tbh

unless its super hot

"made in italy" or "made in usa" are more often than not beacons of quality.

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 27 August 2009 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link

when he says shorts, i think he means bib shorts

cutty, Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:00 (fourteen years ago) link

gbx it depends on how much you want to spend, really

cutty, Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

pearl izumi and giordana are not the most expensive and they make great stuff

cutty, Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah that's what i mean

are we talking like $80 for good stuff, at least?

crabRCISE (gbx), Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i'd say more around $120ish?

cutty, Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link

i didnt like the mid level pearl stuff-- the lycra always seemed not stretchy enough, and bunchy in weird places, but ive not had any for a while. i like the better garneau and giordana stuff. i'd say $100 and up.

iro with the brown bag (Hunt3r), Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link

i got a $75 pair of izumis that do me fine. only put 'em on if i know i'm gonna be riding for more than an hour or so, and not spending anytime sitting around, drinking somewhere, etc

the people vs peer gynt (goole), Thursday, 27 August 2009 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm busily kitting myself out atm - had sugoi recommended to me at local bike shop, so got a pair of liner shorts for work commute. omfortable, good padding.

also got a couple jerseys from local brand netti, one on yr rapha-style minimalist tip - white long-sleeved with blue stripe down each arm - and the other solid fluoro yellow so i get seen in traffic, ha.

anybody heard of this derny stuff before? looks classy!

Korg Boy Polysix (haitch), Friday, 28 August 2009 08:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I've been snapping up biking bargains lately, from Twin Six, Giordana, Cannondale, Descente and Castelli:

The world's tightest, and fastest*, jersey:


(shaves 58 seconds off a 40km ride at 40kmh)

Some proper nice shorts, half price (were £120 or so) - very comfortable, even after 95 miles:


Mark C, Friday, 28 August 2009 10:32 (fourteen years ago) link

My first piece of Giordana kit - not yet worn but it fits beautifully and feels like a full-on winter jacket (well, for mimsy UK winters, anyway):


And a Cannondale jacket that will serve pretty much the same function - the material contains activated carbon for some reason!


Mark C, Friday, 28 August 2009 10:37 (fourteen years ago) link

And the Twin Six top - looks and feels very classy, very light, am very pleased (this is the rear view - front is black, with trim):


Mark C, Friday, 28 August 2009 10:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyway, the point was, if you shop around for bargains and aren't too set on specific brands/models, there's a lot of >50% sales right now as stock's being cleared for next year. I'd love to find some properly discounted Rapha stuff but it just doesn't happen, sadly.

Mark C, Friday, 28 August 2009 10:41 (fourteen years ago) link

I did get 50% off a winter cycling cap from Rapha last year. It was like I'd won the lottery.

GamalielRatsey, Friday, 28 August 2009 10:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Dude, I actually *did* win the lottery when I won a Rapha jersey in a Bikeradar competition. And some armwarmers o_O

The jersey is fucking great, too.

Mark C, Friday, 28 August 2009 11:04 (fourteen years ago) link

(just worked out I saved* £283 on the five items above)

Mark C, Friday, 28 August 2009 11:05 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah, twin six is local here, and there's deal on it all the time

crabRCISE (gbx), Friday, 28 August 2009 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link

this is pretty !!! to me, can a londoner close to grays inn road hook a yank up?


Shasta, what specifically were you after? I'm away for a while but could feasibly get to Condor when I get back if you want me to pick something up.

Mark C, Sunday, 30 August 2009 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link

the black "club" jersey (not sure if this is available to the non-Condor Team public) that has the paul smith logo!!! <3<3<3 :*

*⁂((✪⥎✪))⁂* (Steve Shasta), Monday, 31 August 2009 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Ah, I'll try and head down to Condor a lunchtime this week (it's only down the road) and have a look for you Steve.

j.o.n.a, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link

<3ing U

Change Display Name: (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 23 September 2009 05:49 (fourteen years ago) link

did u get it

holosystolic murmur and the thrill (gbx), Wednesday, 30 September 2009 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Steve, Condor won't be selling them - "it'll probably be through Paul Smith's online shop, but Rapha would probably know more". Sorry to braek haert :(

j.o.n.a, Friday, 2 October 2009 13:10 (fourteen years ago) link

all out of stock except in red :/

cozen, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link


kanellos (gbx), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link

is that like a thneed?


rhymes with a$$ange (Hunt3r), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link

May have placed a smallish order on the rapha sale.....

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Wife bought me some Rapha goods for xmas. Base layer, socks and cap (the real reason for purchase). Came with free beanie. Pretty much all we could afford, lol

jaxon, Thursday, 30 December 2010 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link

One of my super close friends designs all the clothes for Swobo, so I got to dig through his samples the other day. A few jerseys, arm and leg warmers, and some tights (which I'll prob never wear). Stoked.

jaxon, Thursday, 30 December 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link

six months pass...

rapha killing it with their new jerseys

PM me for invites to 77+ (cozen), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link

whoah a $65 rapha jersey??? i might have to get that just because it's the only thing of theirs i'll be able to afford

g++ (gbx), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

I have only really become aware of this kind of high-end cycling wear in the last few weeks. I follow a guy on Twitter called Tom Staniford who's an Exeter student and Paralympic cyclist, who works for Rapha, and so checked out their website. Their stuff is beautiful, but hellish expensive. Have had a look at the Assos and Pearl Izumi stuff now and I'm not keen at all. Quite like the simplicity of the Torm stuff though - Mark, how's your jersey doing a few months down the line?

Bought some proper padded cycling shorts, Altura ones, for wearing under the regular Carhartt shorts I ride in. Didn't realise I'd been uncomfortable cycling until I got them! Amazing difference.

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 7 July 2011 07:47 (twelve years ago) link

this will complete your comfort:

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 7 July 2011 08:10 (twelve years ago) link

But only on long rides, you don't need it for sub-20 miles or anything.

The Torm jersey remains excellent - more or less identical to Rapha in fit and quality. Highly recommended.

Mark C, Thursday, 7 July 2011 10:11 (twelve years ago) link

TS: assos butt cream vs rapha butt cream

PM me for invites to 77+ (cozen), Thursday, 7 July 2011 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

not had the cash to fork out for the latter (a pot lasts me a looong while too). But I have a pot of Paceline Chamois Butt'r here at work and it's not even close to as good as the assos.

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 7 July 2011 11:24 (twelve years ago) link

I've only tried the Arsos. Does a job.

Mark C, Thursday, 7 July 2011 11:42 (twelve years ago) link

Rapha sizing advice, please - fancy buying a t-shirt (and, in the future, when rich, a wind jacket, and maybe a jersey), but the sizing guide is giving me issues. I'm a solid 39" chest, and thus fall into medium, just, but some of the sizing guide stuff says to order a size larger than you normally would if you don't want a close fit.

What do you lot reckon? I'm 12 1/2 to 13st (currently - was 13st+ until recently) and 5'8"ish.

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 09:41 (twelve years ago) link

Nick, I am the same weight and chest size as you (bit taller) and I fit perfectly into a large. It may be a wee bit too long but with cycling gear that's not really a minus. So I'd go for large.

Mark C, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 09:56 (twelve years ago) link

have ytou done the rapha questionnaire Nick? Gets you 15% off an order, but only valid til 17th July.... Can forward a link if you want? (haven't got yr mail address I think?)

problem chimp (Porkpie), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

Aha, they have emailed me it today, actually. Will get filling it in!

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 14:15 (twelve years ago) link

Although, annoyingly, when I click to take the survey it just opens Survery Monkey and shows me my own surveys that I set-up ages ago. Hmph.

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

Assos bum grease is my favourite.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

the code is SURVEY11

cakesharts (cozen), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link


Chris, Mark, are you attending? I'd love to chuck a wishlist at one of you.

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

Sorry fella, not me. I don't need more cycling gear (hah) and I'm not up for fighting with a whole load of Freds in fucking Shoreditch for a £60 jersey :)

Mark C, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link

When you put it like that...

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link

I'll probably pop along first thing on the Saturday or Sunday seeing as it's payday and they tend to re-stock. Also, shoreditch frees don't tend to be fatties so I can find stock. At previous ones there's been all sorts of random samples and v old stock, which is what I go for. The arm warmers with reflective stripes being a good example, no idea where they came from but they're cool.

problem chimp (Porkpie), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 06:58 (twelve years ago) link

Would you mind awfully if I chucked a short wishlist and maximum budget at you, then reimbursed via bank transfer?

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 11:33 (twelve years ago) link

go for it, not a problem

problem chimp (Porkpie), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

Meant to say, wore my rapha 3/4 cross bibs for the first time on Friday night, by god they're comfy. Probably the comfiest chamois I've ever sat on.

problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 21 July 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

Bonza, cheers dude. Shall I put my wishlist in here or email it?

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 22 July 2011 09:39 (twelve years ago) link

let's take it to email: cee pee bee at gee mail dot com

problem chimp (Porkpie), Friday, 22 July 2011 09:50 (twelve years ago) link

Will do.

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:11 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Have just forked out for the Rapha stowaway jacket. There's a 10% off voucher if you spend over £115 at the moment so it's taken it down to less than £150 which is a little more psychologically agreeable. I'd have no problem chucking that kind of money at a North Face jacket that basically does the same thing but is heavy as he'll and completely unsuitable for riding in, to be fair.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 26 August 2011 07:50 (twelve years ago) link


Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 26 August 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

now that's "completely unsuitable for riding in, to be fair."

slow mo desaturated rapha vids featuring quirky bikedorks on steel (Hunt3r), Friday, 26 August 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

only just saw this - good lord

'australian lack of style' (haitch), Monday, 29 August 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link

legwarmers as Chaps offers many terrifying possibilities.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 29 August 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link

Stowaway arrived. Almost impossibly thin. Very nice to look at and touch. Gonna ridemin it in a bit and see how it feels.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:30 (twelve years ago) link

So much for the Stowaway - Met Office site was predicting grey cloud and light drizzle for Exeter circa 4pm to 7pm, when I was planning to ride. It was actually 20 degrees and hazy, warm sunshine. They're so crap. They're only down the road. The jacket stayed in my pocket for about 20 of the 30 or so miles I did.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

you look good haitch

8-2 fruity (cozen), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

so I ordered a pair of the rapha cycling trousers in the sale - size 38 waist (yes yes, v fat mantis). Took them out the packet, yep, 38 label, put them up against myself and knew there was no way I'd be getting in them. So I gave them to our garment technologist (I'm working for a workwear company at the moment, P4C Br4nds for the benefit of Haitch and the other aussies)she measures them up and they are "an un-generous 36".

Sizeist bastards!

problem chimp (Porkpie), Monday, 5 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

Rapha seems to size down on the bottoms and up on the tops. I currently fit my size 38 Rapha stuff, I didn't 6 months ago.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

I can attest that Rapha touring shorts are like fucking titanium. Hit the tarmac hard on my right side this morning; hip/arse is grazed and bleeding but the shorts are merely dirty. Likewise the Stowaway jacket; I was sure the right sleeve was a gonner but it seems fine. Just needs a wash.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 23 October 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...


The £40/$60 shirt is clearly going to make a mint but I fear they are going to be everywhere.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 4 January 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Good interview with the rapha chief designer


Best news of all, no podium baseball cap in the sky range, proper cycling cap.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 00:07 (eleven years ago) link

proper cycling caps are for riding. only.

it's nature that's unfair (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 03:24 (eleven years ago) link

Podium is acceptable IMO

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 03:53 (eleven years ago) link

As it happens I need a new cap to replace ultra grungy euskaltel model. I dont foresee any podiums but caps are great for days below freezing. This am at 17 deg F tested the limits of cotton over very thinning hair. :-(

it's nature that's unfair (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 04:12 (eleven years ago) link

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