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Mainly I wanted a place to post this hint on how to display ~/Library since the default now is to have it invisible.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:11 (nine years ago) link

This is really great, guys. Have you enabled the title bar double-clicking? I know you can click to drag anywhere, but they really didn't document this double-clicking thing

mh, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:00 (nine years ago) link

what double-clicking? Double-clicking has always minimized to dock in X, and still does.

stet, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:05 (nine years ago) link

You must not have Lion yet!

Also, the little swirl motion you can do on the touchpad is pretty cool

mh, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:42 (nine years ago) link

I do; just double-clicked, is exactly the same.

stet, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:43 (nine years ago) link

I'm in love with natural scrolling now too, after hating it for two days solid.

stet, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:44 (nine years ago) link

You're really derailing my "making up random shit that is Lion to make Autumn Almanac confused when he actually gets it" tactic

mh, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:45 (nine years ago) link

I've been thinking about being a pirate and grabbing the gold master early this week. I'm assuming you're a registered developer?

mh, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:46 (nine years ago) link

yeh. I think "Gold Master" is pushing it a bit too; shit is buggy.

stet, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:47 (nine years ago) link

There's definitely an unfinished quality to the GM (yes I'm a reg. dev.). Before, GMs have been pretty solid but there's definitely some more work/debugging code removal to go.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:53 (nine years ago) link

don't have this yet but i'll be glad to get it & glad to read siracusa's review!

markers, Friday, 8 July 2011 01:57 (nine years ago) link

Will not be touching the initial release with a 10-foot pole.

invite ← VERB (Schlafsack), Friday, 8 July 2011 02:08 (nine years ago) link

lol rip

markers, Friday, 8 July 2011 02:15 (nine years ago) link

Buggy? Wait, isn't it coming out this month?

Nhex, Friday, 8 July 2011 02:16 (nine years ago) link

supposedly in a week or so

markers, Friday, 8 July 2011 02:17 (nine years ago) link

oooh.. that's not good. Maybe I'll wait for the first or second point release.

Nhex, Friday, 8 July 2011 02:17 (nine years ago) link

Just the chance of anything this big being critically buggy is unacceptable. Happy to let everyone else lose their iphoto libraries on my behalf.

invite ← VERB (Schlafsack), Friday, 8 July 2011 02:38 (nine years ago) link

have you ever had issues or are you just a for-life conspiracy skeptic?

mh, Friday, 8 July 2011 04:01 (nine years ago) link

Not to worry; SL first GM was like this too. The builds they give devs are usually older builds that are slightly more stable. Apple GMs aren't really GM at all.

stet, Friday, 8 July 2011 10:29 (nine years ago) link

I'm in love with natural scrolling now too, after hating it for two days solid.

otm

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 13:25 (nine years ago) link

I've not yet used the new scrolling but it seems logical as hell to move your fingers in the direction you want the content to move, as though you're pushing a bit of paper up and down (q.v. ipad). In hindsight it's really quite weird that the other way became the norm for scroll wheels etc.

Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 July 2011 13:49 (nine years ago) link

okay the "all my files" view is winnar.

Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 July 2011 13:55 (nine years ago) link

really? seems utterly useless and pointless to me.

stet, Friday, 8 July 2011 14:19 (nine years ago) link

I know it's nothing you can't do already but I like the idea of a standard view that just shows you everything you have. System-wide text search makes everything else redundant imo, but still.

Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 July 2011 14:22 (nine years ago) link

Maybe it's just cos I've got 10,000+ files, but a view that (checks) opens with 6 calendar events from 2006, 10 ancient screen shots, some random PDFs and crappy mid files etc is a view I'm never going into again.

stet, Friday, 8 July 2011 14:51 (nine years ago) link

oh fuck, really?

Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 July 2011 14:54 (nine years ago) link

In hindsight it's really quite weird that the other way became the norm for scroll wheels etc.

it comes from the double function of scrollbars - both a "handle" for manipulating a document and a visual indicator of where you were in that document. it worked pretty well imo. but now with touch interfaces no "handle" is required

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Friday, 8 July 2011 16:05 (nine years ago) link

have you ever had issues or are you just a for-life conspiracy skeptic?

― mh, Friday, July 8, 2011 5:01 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

tbf i agree with him totally on this and i am an OG apple stan.

caek, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:16 (nine years ago) link

to be fair I'd recommend most users wait for the 10.x.1 release for most releases

but I'm not most users

mh, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:17 (nine years ago) link

well exactly. sure, call out AA for his paranoia/jobs obsession/prejudice, but he's 100% otm about this.

caek, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:18 (nine years ago) link

by the way, is 10.6.8 ok?

caek, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:20 (nine years ago) link

I've had no issues thus far, but I think I only have it installed on one of two machines.

mh, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:51 (nine years ago) link

I'm not upgrading to snow leopard til we get to 10.6.9

PM me for invites to 77+ (cozen), Friday, 8 July 2011 17:18 (nine years ago) link

lol

mh, Friday, 8 July 2011 17:33 (nine years ago) link

loooool @ u all, i'm still on os 9

markers, Friday, 8 July 2011 18:35 (nine years ago) link

. . .

markers, Friday, 8 July 2011 18:35 (nine years ago) link

classilla ftw

stet, Friday, 8 July 2011 18:41 (nine years ago) link

ok seriously autocorrect can GTF. it's turned otm into tom like 15 times now. Learn, ffs.

stet, Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:28 (nine years ago) link

TOM.

naus, Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:32 (nine years ago) link

Srsly tho: is autocorrect built into 10.7?

naus, Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:34 (nine years ago) link

Can you not turn it off?

Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:36 (nine years ago) link

it is built in, same model as iPhone's, and tbh it's handy enough to want to keep it on, but they need to add a way to remove/update the dictionary, srsly.

stet, Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:38 (nine years ago) link

oh it supposedly does "smart" quotes too. that's not working.

stet, Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:39 (nine years ago) link

Seems utterly pointless when you're on a full keyboard. Also, fuck everything that cultivates bad typing habits.

Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:41 (nine years ago) link

hold down the 'e' key in this tèxt bóx

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Saturday, 9 July 2011 01:47 (nine years ago) link

Wait, so holding down a key doesn't do key repeat anymore?

Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 9 July 2011 01:50 (nine years ago) link

otmbot

mh, Saturday, 9 July 2011 16:36 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhOG25fM8so

markers, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 00:22 (nine years ago) link

I feel a little ashamed for kind of knowingly nodding partway through

mh, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 00:32 (nine years ago) link

what version is the stock python on 10.7?

caek, Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:27 (nine years ago) link

i rarely ever go looking for some random file. usually what i need is in an app thats already open or one of the folders on the dock which i clean out regularly. so i use spotlight only to launch apps that i use occasionally.

shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:03 (eight years ago) link

spotlight is great for launching apps

markers, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:03 (eight years ago) link

I tried spotlight out for 2 minutes in tiger and have never used it since

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:08 (eight years ago) link

its good for searching for things

ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:09 (eight years ago) link

ha. tiger in spotlight blew chunks all over grandmas new dress.

shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:10 (eight years ago) link

er, spotlight in tiger

shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:10 (eight years ago) link

I have reserved my top right INFINITE PIXEL to expose though, launchpad is much better for app launching

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:11 (eight years ago) link

I have been using Spotlight equivalents in Win (Launchy) and Ubuntu (gnome-do) for years. Could not live without them.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:11 (eight years ago) link

hot corner users, dire barbarians each one

ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:14 (eight years ago) link

upper-left for show desktop is useful

shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:19 (eight years ago) link

I have never had an upper left corner. OMG

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:22 (eight years ago) link

I made it into "post I Miss You youtube"

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:22 (eight years ago) link

upper left is apple menu, you monster

bottom left and right are useful.

if the only launching you ever do with spotlight is just running applications it's just about fine (although the amount of crap i have to scroll through to launch itunes after typing "it" is kind of amazing), but alfred or launchbar are _way_ better for everything spotlight does except actual searching.

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:24 (eight years ago) link

aa, if you are a hacky terminal user you should try one of those, or quicksilver

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:25 (eight years ago) link

upper-left for show desktop is useful

― shaane, Friday, 14 October 2011 09:19 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Not judging but what do you use show desktop for? I never ever need to show my desktop.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:25 (eight years ago) link

I installed alfred once but all it did was return snide erudite one-liners

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:25 (eight years ago) link

I should definitely look at Alfred, been hearing good things recently

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:26 (eight years ago) link

i have never used alfred tbf. i hear it mentioned. launchbar all the way.

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:27 (eight years ago) link

they keep threatening to resurrect quicksilver but afaict the og developer is basically insane and its open source community is not much better.

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:28 (eight years ago) link

if you don't use the desktop then obv show desktop is not useful. i just use the default expose shortcut for that when i need it.

bottom left hot corner is lock screen for me.

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:29 (eight years ago) link

oh, wait, I thought the user was searching for "Polite Dance Song" and got Elliott Smith, nm xp

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:29 (eight years ago) link

xxp oh great, more helvetica

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:30 (eight years ago) link

the basic thing is spotlight is so much more than a launcher and as a result the UI isn't really optimized for launching stuff (and certainly not the kind of object verb subject stuff that even the basic dedicated launchers do). so get a real launcher, disable/reuse the spotlight shortcut, and one the rare occasions you need to use it's full text search then click the spotlight icon or use the keyboard shortcut that opens the dedicated spotlight window.

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:34 (eight years ago) link

that is how i break it down

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:34 (eight years ago) link

i use the desktop as a scratchpad so flicking between apps and the desktop comes in handy. its usually empty.

hahaha re: the hate for upper left. i chose it just cause the gesture of flinging the pointer up-left to reveal felt natural.

shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:36 (eight years ago) link

caek, what kind of object verb subject stuff do you do on a regular basis?

lukas, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:37 (eight years ago) link

ftp, email, append to clipboard

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:38 (eight years ago) link

probably some other stuff

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:38 (eight years ago) link

when I picture caek using his mac, it looks like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCLqryN-Q

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:39 (eight years ago) link

yeah, i can imagine using those

lukas, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:39 (eight years ago) link

i use the desktop as a scratchpad

Sorry, I don't get what you mean. Temp file storage (e.g. text files), or an actual scratchpad like a big magna-doodle?

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:39 (eight years ago) link

real launchers also have a bunch of stuff built in that is basically just executing an applescript but is convenient to have prewritten (play/pause, show someone's phone number in big text, drill through folders, move, delete...)

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:40 (eight years ago) link

when i use a mac it is more like http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/134336/focus=134979

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:41 (eight years ago) link

jeez how does the mailman get your replies back to ILX so quickly

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:41 (eight years ago) link

another thing i use it for is searches, e.g. i can type cmd-space then "a z" then space then type some text and a browser tab launches with it searched for on amazon. if i type "a z d e" then it searches amazon.de.

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:45 (eight years ago) link

it also has clipboard history. i hit cmd-opt-\ and i get a list of the last 40 things i put in my clipboard. i can either scroll down or type a few letters from the entry i want, then hit turn to put the item back in the clipboard. this is on the verge of becoming bloatware, but LB does a way better job of it than the dedicated clipboard things that i don't mind. clipboard history is one of those things you don't know how you lived without.

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:48 (eight years ago) link

youre just asking to have that used against you in a court of law

ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:51 (eight years ago) link

I love LB and probably use 15% of it's features.

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:52 (eight years ago) link

lol xp my current history is basically just me stalking you on ilx

http://i.minus.com/ibaAv2d4pQqRqx.png

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:55 (eight years ago) link

tbh unless I'm doing a search, I never look at the UI of Spotlight

I usually just type the first few characters of an app name and hit enter

avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:55 (eight years ago) link

chilling xp

ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:56 (eight years ago) link

so caek, you're a launchbar guy? don't quite recognize that launcher

avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:58 (eight years ago) link

ha at me uploading my government phone number to ilx in a screenshot

caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:10 (eight years ago) link

we need a "indefensible: stallman" thread

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:13 (eight years ago) link

scratchpad is the wrong word. i just treat it like an actual desk. shit I'm working on goes there and i clean up when I'm done.

shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:20 (eight years ago) link

ah righto

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:22 (eight years ago) link

btw sorry to rail against the whole metaphor of a desktop, I just hate things being on my desktop and forget that other people use it for real things

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:23 (eight years ago) link

four weeks pass...

gassée on nextstep/be os: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/the-story-behind-apples-next-os-in-1996-video/63196

markers, Friday, 11 November 2011 14:31 (eight years ago) link

I'll watch the video when I'm not at work but this quote:

“Thank god that didn’t happen, because I hated Apple’s management.”

..is completely hilarious in context. Had Gassée made the sale, he could have probably quit Be/Apple and retired a rich man. He basically flubbed the entire negotiation. On the other side of the coin, Jobs actually disliked most of the managers as well and as his influence grew upon his return, he cleaned house.

mh, Friday, 11 November 2011 14:36 (eight years ago) link


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