luxury trucks, suvs, crossovers and the death of the sedan

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why do you still drive a sedan?

how do you think about mileage and safety?

are the rise of the compact SUV and the luxury truck even related?

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 7 March 2022 18:35 (three months ago) link

lots of interesting points in this thread

The trend of sedan sales collapsing and being replaced by sales of compact SUVs and the trend of gigantic, jacked-up pickup trucks as the luxury vehicle status symbol of choice in much of America are often collapsed together, but I think are basically unrelated?

— Michael Tae Sweeney (@mtsw) March 7, 2022

e.g.

Yes. I would need to see more data on this but I think there's a reasonable case to be made that car seat regulations killed the sedan, and I wonder if they've led to more death.

— Joel Wertheimer (@Wertwhile) March 7, 2022

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 7 March 2022 18:36 (three months ago) link

i didn't realize child seat laws went so high in age, obviously i don't have a kid. like i know my parents had child seats for me and my brother, but i don't have strong memories of being in them.

you might be able to disentangle these trends somewhat, but i think there's definitely an arms race aspect to it. new trucks are basically designed to shine their extra-bright headlights directly into the rear view mirrors of smaller cars. a lot of things that are functionally passenger cars are still absurdly tall in ways that i don't think make them easier to get in and out of.

i sometimes i wonder if the mega trucks trend is partly the fallout from a bunch of american soldiers driving giant armored vehicles on patrol around iraq and afghanistan for a couple decades. dead pedestrians are acceptable collateral damage for protecting ourselves with our badass mech suits.

circles, Monday, 7 March 2022 20:00 (three months ago) link

Several cars were vandalised in Dulwich last night with tyres deflated and this poster left on windscreens. We are environmentally friendly but this is not who we are as a community. pic.twitter.com/mTvBjPLz6p

— The Dulwich Society (@DulwichSociety) March 4, 2022

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 7 March 2022 20:04 (three months ago) link

i sometimes i wonder if the mega trucks trend is partly the fallout from a bunch of american soldiers driving giant armored vehicles on patrol around iraq and afghanistan for a couple decades.

That's certainly a component of the marketing that drove the trend. 1990 is the year of the Gulf War, Arnold Schwarzenegger constantly complaining that he couldn't buy a military truck (until he could), and the introduction of the Ford Explorer.

Behind the scenes, auto manufacturers figured out that SUVs were a very profitable way to game the fuel economy standards in their favor. Nothing has really changed since.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 7 March 2022 23:49 (three months ago) link

x-post

One tactic against monster trucks I learned from some Earth First! folks is to deflate the tires on opposite corners. If the truck sits there long enough (like overnight), the sag is enough to permanently warp the frame and body assemblies.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 7 March 2022 23:55 (three months ago) link

whenever i visit my parents in the "suburbs," i note that each of the houses on their cul-de-sac (except for my parents who both drive small cars), has one luxury truck and one SUV. The truck is the daddy car, and the SUV is the mommy car.

minor scandal that kieth drives a rav 4 btw

I drive a rav 4 ... i haul stuff on a regular basis. i suppose i could have tried to find an old minivan from the 80s that was in decent shape instead of the small SUV, but almost all of those have been cash-for-clunkered out of the area.

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 01:41 (three months ago) link

xp:

Adding that to the running for best piece of tire-spiking advice on ilx, along with ukilxors arent u posh?

peace, man, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 01:43 (three months ago) link

thanks to calzino (in another thread) I had my mind blown about the existence of posi screws (and drivers) ... which up until then, if I had seen any posi screws, I probably thought they were slightly malformed Phillips heads

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 02:40 (three months ago) link

the sag is enough to permanently warp the frame and body assemblies.

(evil cackle)

thinkmanship (sleeve), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 02:43 (three months ago) link

there certainly are sedans bigger than say a rav4 which isnt nearly the smallest "suv" so the categories arent that meaningful but thats all kind of pedantic in the face of the fact that vehicles on average are getting bigger which isnt great

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 02:47 (three months ago) link

we all just need to go back to the humble station wagon, the best kind of car, and its little brother the hatchback

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 02:52 (three months ago) link

i feel very alienated

the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 03:45 (three months ago) link

luxury truck/suv/crossover owners are living in a different world. even getting to think about being in that world is a different world. it's fine but wtf

the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 03:47 (three months ago) link

what kind of luxury houses are trending? who cares

the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 03:47 (three months ago) link

luxury truck/suv/crossover owners are living in a different world. even getting to think about being in that world is a different world. it's fine but wtf

― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Monday, March 7, 2022 7:47 PM (eight minutes ago)

i got mine used, and I drive less than 5k miles a year so idk ... maybe I do live in a different world, a world where construction materials and music gear are large and bulky and heavy and someone needs to transport them from one physical place to another ...

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 03:58 (three months ago) link

i have a subaru outback which some say is a station wagon while others a crossover, it cannot be identified, i am therefor innocent, perfect really

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:00 (three months ago) link

xp

it is a different world

the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:01 (three months ago) link

suburus should basically be their own category

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:02 (three months ago) link

everyone always takes that in such a judgy way

i have been in that different world. you're right, there are good reasons to own one, where it makes sense.

i think i run into trouble with this kind of thing, all thing time, frequently at least. it's like, yeah, i do get it. i totally get that

the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:04 (three months ago) link

suburus should basically be their own category

― call all destroyer, Monday, March 7, 2022 11:02 PM (fourteen seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

its sort of a cult vehicle, like a toyota but different

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:04 (three months ago) link

the outbacks used to be station wagons and now they pretty much look like RAV 4s. My RAV is almost 20 years old and looks like the Honda equivalent from that era, just like how the Honda Accords and the Toyota Corrollas all looked the same back in the 80s

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:06 (three months ago) link

like the subaru outback, the toyota rav4 and the honda CSV (or whatever the fuck honda calls theirs) are now all the same car ... kinda creepy when u really ~think~ about it? ... meanwhile last time i went to the suburbs (i went to a suburban Lowe's ... you really get a sense of what cars real Americans own when you go to a Lowe's in the suburbs) ... I did see a sweet-ass 70s El Camino, and ... now that was a car

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:09 (three months ago) link

whats funny is crossovers came out and they looked like mini real suvs, the original rav4 was like a tiny 4runner it looked like a truck, and people loved them so much they drove station wagons out of business, now most crossovers dont look anything like trucks, the new rav4 looks like a tall station wagon, they are slowly reinventing the station wagon

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:10 (three months ago) link

el camino was the best car truck of all time

the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:10 (three months ago) link

the outback does look even more like a station wagon than the rav4 etc tho, its a station wagon, thats just my opinion, and its a fact

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:12 (three months ago) link

the new rav4 looks like a tall station wagon, they are slowly reinventing the station wagon

yes!!! mine is like the mini-4runner type

but seriously, cargo vans are even getting bigger. the classic Ford Econoline that bands toured in ... now there are those Sprinter things with the tall ass roofs.

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:13 (three months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/Tm2cVMo.png

this is an outback which is a station wagon

https://i.imgur.com/nsOq4u4.png

where this is a forester which is a crossover, obviously

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:15 (three months ago) link

el camino was the best car truck of all time

― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Monday, March 7, 2022 8:10 PM (two minutes ago)

it was ... when I was a kid, my mom's best friend, Vern, had one. I think it probably transported just about every single household appliance

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:16 (three months ago) link

lol last time we were buying an ICE car i think the main reason we didn't check out suburus is because i couldn't figure out how to differentiate their models

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:16 (three months ago) link

I deal with a TON of Sprinter vans at work, followed in popularity by Dodge Promasters and Ford Transits

#vanlife

thinkmanship (sleeve), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:18 (three months ago) link

if the sedan dies, will that mean the death of ILX?

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:19 (three months ago) link

its a huge failure that no one from this board has ever bought one of those

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:20 (three months ago) link

it's a huge failure that Acura doesn't subsidize this board

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:23 (three months ago) link

they should be giving us free sedans

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:23 (three months ago) link

theres also a special offroad edition of the outback, which idk might be something for the post modernists to delineate

https://i.imgur.com/TlF0UCG.png

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:27 (three months ago) link

but the thing is ... with these new, bigger vehicles, it limits where you can actually live and own one of these things. Like, I have to park my little mini-suv almost right against the retaining wall so I can make sure that I can get in and not be blocked by my neighbor's car in our off-street parking.

i think there's one of those special offroad edition of the outback that I see semi-regularly ... in the parking lot of Whole Foods. ... definitely requires such a rugged vehicle

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:28 (three months ago) link

you'll have to pry my little Prius hatchback outta my cold dead hands, and yeah ease of parking is key

thinkmanship (sleeve), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:29 (three months ago) link

aren't there these custom window jobs you can get on the rear window that fuck with the high-headlight people by revealing scary ghosts or something like that?

thinkmanship (sleeve), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:31 (three months ago) link

there's a fellow ilxor who i know IRL and for years we both had late-80s Toyota Corrollas ... right around the same time each of our Corrollas met their ends and he got some small Honda thing that is quite environmentally friendly and easy to park, and I got the RAV4 ... anyway, if at some point I stop being a "hauler of things," I would totally go for a little Prius hatchback.

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:33 (three months ago) link

seriously, why do I always draw a blank on the models of vehicles made by Honda????

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:33 (three months ago) link

if i lived in the big city i would like to have a small sedan or hatchback, preferably one thats zippy, to zip around in

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:34 (three months ago) link

would you be calm and debonair?

sarahell, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:41 (three months ago) link

no i would be caffeinated and whimsical

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 04:43 (three months ago) link

im a truck guy now. well i guess two trucks... got a 07 gmc sierra z71 as my car and a 08 suburban z71 for the fam car. use both for camping and road trips quite a bit. love having a big car that sits up high tbh. the gas mileage thing is rough tho.

used to be a sedan guy but a drunk driver hit my wife head on ten years ago with two oldest kids (newborn and 2.5 y/o) in the car. the buick sedan (le sabre?) held its own but there were broken bones, cuts, concussions, trauma... so we immediately bought a suburban cos i wanted my family to be in the biggest (practical) car possible.

jammin on the dud (Spottie), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 05:30 (three months ago) link

if the sedan dies, will that mean the death of ILX?

ILX was killed last month

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 05:56 (three months ago) link

Years ago a musician friend had a Volkswagen Squareback from the early 70s and in it's own way, it was the ideal ur-crossover for someone who needed to carry stuff but not 500kg of it. It also had a front trunk (I HATE the word "frunk") which gave it a surprising amount of cargo space.

https://www.ambassadorautomobileco.com/imagetag/53/11/l/Used-1968-Volkswagen-Squareback.jpg

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 06:48 (three months ago) link

I used to obsess over this Mustang station wagon one-off/concept from 1966. Boomers that give me "that's not a Must..." shit when I tell them that I have a Mach-E on order usually stfu when I show them this. It's a great design that should have been built.

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/images/media/51/ford-mustang-wagon-inline-7-photo-562256-s-original.jpg

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 06:51 (three months ago) link

Oh wow, I had to look up Mach-E. I saw one outside my grocery store a month or two ago and thought somebody was being cheeky by slapping a Mustang horsie emblem on their electric.

peace, man, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 12:05 (three months ago) link

we need a thread on i love cars about hating cars and not knowing anything about cars and having some $400 repair you have to make on your pos 2010 kia sportage wipe out the credit card spending margin you had managed to gain over the last 6 months every 6 months, because you live in poverty, that consists entirely of me posting "bump" every 6 months.

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 19:30 (three months ago) link

no you should get this the electric baby fj that doesnt actually exist xp

https://i.imgur.com/7C9sopQ.png

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 19:31 (three months ago) link

i've a forester.

it's ugly compared to older foresters. it gets terrible mileage. i don't like it, but the lease expired during pandy 2020 so i bought it.

i've told joe this but my dream is that toyota makes the prius v again.

― π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 1:28 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the newer gen prii are already pretty v-ish imo

class project pat (m bison), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:09 (three months ago) link

we need a thread on i love cars about hating cars and not knowing anything about cars and having some $400 repair you have to make on your pos 2010 kia sportage wipe out the credit card spending margin you had managed to gain over the last 6 months every 6 months, because you live in poverty, that consists entirely of me posting "bump" every 6 months.

― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 1:30 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

:( but also i'd bookmark that thread and cashapp u a $20 everytime u bumped it

class project pat (m bison), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:10 (three months ago) link

the only truck that looks in anyway appealing 2 me is the ford maverick that gets 40 MPG, it looks like a normal sized truck for ppl who actually do things with a truck

― class project pat (m bison), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 2:12 PM (nine seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

its cool that ford came out with a small hybrid pickup but its really not a truck, no real 4wd, built on same unibody platform as the escape, its a "light truck" aka a crossover, same as hondas pickup

― lag∞n, Tuesday, March 8, 2022 1:18 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

smh this is the "no true truckman" fallacy

class project pat (m bison), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:11 (three months ago) link

come off it. if it can carry a queen mattress it's a truck.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:16 (three months ago) link

its not a truck

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:17 (three months ago) link

"The Ford Maverick is a compact pickup truck produced by Ford Motor Company"

not my words. the words of en.wikipedia.org.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:19 (three months ago) link

m bison you're very sweet but i'm definitely not starting that thread now :P

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:23 (three months ago) link

this is an engineering issue that no manner of marketing can change

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:24 (three months ago) link

tell that to the engineers at en.wikipedia.org.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:26 (three months ago) link

come off it. if it can carry a queen mattress it's a truck.

― π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 2:16 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

caek gets to take your us citizenship lagoon, sorry this is ilx law

class project pat (m bison), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:35 (three months ago) link

If that's true, I am a truck.

pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:37 (three months ago) link

and a dolly cart is a truck

pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:38 (three months ago) link

The idea of owning a truck or SUV when the vast vast vast majority of my trips are taking a kid to school or getting groceries is weird to me, but I am not in the business of judging other ilxors for their choices.

― jenny from the blockchain (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 2:24 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I was def influenced by the time it took me six hours in my non-AWD sedan to get home from work in a snowstorm, albeit that was a pretty unusual storm. Generally speaking streets around me are pretty steep (and my driveway is sloped), and it's been helpful to have the AWD in snow. Renting cars around me is expensive and inconvenient, and I've made a fair amount of use of the cargo space in buying used furniture, home depot trips, taking my kids to ride bikes (although could just get a bike rack) etc. Mileage is only a couple MPG below an accord, so it seemed like nbd. I could definitely live fine without it, but the pluses seemed to outweigh the minuses.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:39 (three months ago) link

I bought an entire disassembled used 16' trampoline and was able to fit all the parts into the CR-V.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:40 (three months ago) link

the best car I ever drove in the snow was a Chevy Prizm with FWD

pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:41 (three months ago) link

video of man alive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePAd4kmwMMk

pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:48 (three months ago) link

The idea of owning a truck or SUV when the vast vast vast majority of my trips are taking a kid to school or getting groceries is weird to me, but I am not in the business of judging other ilxors for their choices.

― jenny from the blockchain (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 2:24 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

fwiw we got a SUV precisely because 90% of our trips involve moving two kids around, sidewalks here are 10" above the street, and my back is shot.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:49 (three months ago) link

come off it. if it can carry a queen mattress it's a truck.

― π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 2:16 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

caek gets to take your us citizenship lagoon, sorry this is ilx law

― class project pat (m bison), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 3:35 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

smh effete urban wine sippers who dont even know what a truck is trying to take my citizenship i guess is this america now

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:58 (three months ago) link

i dont even own a wine

class project pat (m bison), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:58 (three months ago) link

i have wine by the stove for red sauce

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:00 (three months ago) link

it's two buck chuck ($3 because i don't live in real america unlike lag00n)

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:01 (three months ago) link

we dont even have that store

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:01 (three months ago) link

*donald glover's "this is america" plays but he's at a trader joe's*

class project pat (m bison), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:02 (three months ago) link

speaking of vans, i've been enjoying this incredible nerd's playlist about converting a ford transit to a camper

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWlfOav4jlvgX7qMTEJfdFWF7sgds3kit

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:52 (three months ago) link

Countdown to when the MAGA Chud Convoy (chudvoy?) takes on unibody construction as anti-American. "Body-on-frame was good enough for the covered wagons our ancestors used and it's good enough for our trucks now!"

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 23:56 (three months ago) link

landrover fans have been grieving about unibody construction for 5 years now

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 00:06 (three months ago) link

Yeah like I said I am not tryna be Judgy McJudgerson here, but only you can know whether you're being honest about how often you need to transport a queen-sized mattress.

I own a queen-sized mattress that has been moved precisely once in 15 years, fwiw

jenny from the blockchain (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 02:10 (three months ago) link

Six years since the last time I had to move a queen-sized mattress.

My max load is a couple of guitars, a bass head/cab, pedals/cables, and us with all of our stuff to go on the road for a week. All of that fits amazingly well in a 9 year old Charger - put the rear seats down and you've almost got a small pickup bed hidden inside a sedan.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 03:04 (three months ago) link

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3665046

Since 1977, U.S. states have passed laws steadily raising the age for which a child must ride in a car safety seat. These laws significantly raise the cost of having a third child, as many regular-sized cars cannot fit three child seats in the back. Using census data and state-year variation in laws, we estimate that when women have two children of ages requiring mandated car seats, they have a lower annual probability of giving birth by 0.73 percentage points. Consistent with a causal channel, this effect is limited to third child births, is concentrated in households with access to a car, and is larger when a male is present (when both front seats are likely to be occupied). We estimate that these laws prevented only 57 car crash fatalities of children nationwide in 2017. Simultaneously, they led to a permanent reduction of approximately 8,000 births in the same year, and 145,000 fewer births since 1980, with 90% of this decline being since 2000.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 04:05 (three months ago) link

thats wild

lag∞n, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 04:06 (three months ago) link

broke: give women access to contraceptives and education to lower birth rate
merica: GOOD LUCK TRANSPORTING YOUR CHILDREN "MOM"

class project pat (m bison), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 04:41 (three months ago) link

Yeah I was on the oebdient/careful end of the spectrum but the idea of 12-year-old humans still in car seats is just, um, wow

jenny from the blockchain (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 21:38 (three months ago) link

that is some wild freakanomics shit there re: birth rates

thinkmanship (sleeve), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 21:55 (three months ago) link

Yeah I was on the oebdient/careful end of the spectrum but the idea of 12-year-old humans still in car seats is just, um, wow

― jenny from the blockchain (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, March 9, 2022 4:38 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

IMO there's a tradeoff between the very minimal additional amount of safety you get vs not humiliating your child.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 23:17 (three months ago) link

What’s it got to do with 12 year olds? Unless you have two kids more than five years apart, you need two car seats, which means the back row is unusable for anything else, and lowering the back row to use the trunk takes like 20 minutes of in installation and installation. This is why parents get 3 row cars and suvs with extravagant cargo space.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 10 March 2022 01:20 (three months ago) link

it's sort of cute, but weirdly commercial looking, like a commuter van

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:47 (three months ago) link

feel like making a mini van is kind of disrespectful to their #vanlife roots, it is cute tho

lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:48 (three months ago) link

maybe theyll make a full size one with a pop top and so forth

lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:49 (three months ago) link

yeah it looks like a sienna with a cute front, rather than a combi. tbh i'm fine with that.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:19 (three months ago) link

this is the short wheel base version. the 3 passenger row one is coming later.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:20 (three months ago) link

if the long one is more full sized will be cool to have it electric cause the battery cld lower the center of gravity which is always an issue w vans

lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:27 (three months ago) link

guessing its gonna be a long mini van tho

lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:29 (three months ago) link

we need to get back to this

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— Bring a Trailer (@Bringatrailer) March 10, 2022

lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 19:42 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

finally know what kind of car i want pic.twitter.com/3BPHwrHPGI

— justin jacoby smith (@hoosteen) April 8, 2022

rob, Friday, 8 April 2022 17:03 (two months ago) link

Needs flame decals

So's your imam (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 8 April 2022 17:22 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

I discovered my neighbourhood was developed in the 1840s so decided to add an 1840 section to my β€˜cars are getting bigger’ drawing.

All the same scale. pic.twitter.com/fhg2oDgDc3

— Michael (@baoigheallain) March 11, 2022

龜, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 11:40 (three weeks ago) link


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