why don’t you drive an EV?

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After a great deal of sturm und drang (we hadn’t had a car for over a decade prior), my family leased a Bolt EV in late 2018. With the exception of having massive transmission / transaxle issues about a year in (all taken care of under warranty) it’s been great. Well, we also have to make sure to get the right street parking spot in order to charge it at home, but that’s only been a problem once.

Who else drives electric? If not, why not, or how soon do you anticipate you will be able to switch?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:28 (one year ago) link

at the time of our last car purchase (v much due to situation out of my control) we couldn't afford an EV and there weren't chargers in my building. Now it's two years later, EVs are cheaper, and there are chargers, but I'm stuck w the car we got >:(

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:35 (one year ago) link

but I will switch at the first opportunity

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:36 (one year ago) link

Last summer I bought a RAV-4 hybrid. It’s the bees knees. I wanted an EV, but I’m a renter with a difficult landlord who wouldn’t let me consider plugging in. Still, I get ~40 mpg, which ain’t nothin.

rb (soda), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:38 (one year ago) link

“ass hat landlord” was not a rationale I had considered before.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:40 (one year ago) link

The weirdest thing btw is the sloshing sound that the battery pack makes shortly after I plug it in. I assume it has something to do with the thermoregulation of the battery cells. Or perhaps the whole thing is like the mop in fantasia.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:46 (one year ago) link

I don't own a car, but if I did, I would buy electric. The only thing that would make me think twice is remembering a friend's experience during the California wildfires last year. The Tesla was pretty much useless for getting them out of an evacuation zone due to power outages: they ended up leaving it behind. Vicious cycle, yeah.

lukas, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:54 (one year ago) link

i would like an EV or hybrid, but my main use for a car these days (besides a v short commute to work that can also be done by bike but not by public transportation) is stuff like camping/covering long distances in the fifth largest state in america aka not conducive to EV at least until there's a an e-truck with good mileage and ground clearance (aka the rivian, which i cannot afford)

ideally i'd take one of these fellas to work: https://www.urbanarrow.com/en/shorty

and have a not-often used truck for trips outta town

gbx, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:54 (one year ago) link

I've got a hybrid Fusion, supposedly gets 42 city/40 highway but the average MPG is more like 35, which is pathetic for a hybrid. though maybe the cold has something to do with that.

will probably be getting a full EV as my next car, whenever that happens

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:56 (one year ago) link

The NHTSA mandates that reversing an EV or hybrid produce a certain amount of noise at certain frequencies to alert pedestrians that there’s an otherwise silent car in motion. For this reason, whenever I back out of my parking spot, some MIDI noisemaker under my hood produces a shriek that sounds like an army of mosquitos.

rb (soda), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:59 (one year ago) link

Supposedly the best thing for EVs in really cold weather is to have them plugged in all the time.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:00 (one year ago) link

I was stlil under the impression new non-luxury cars are like ~$15k. I am very wrong.

Yerac, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:04 (one year ago) link

I don't drive an EV because I don't own a car and the car share doesn't do EVs yet. I'm busy building a charging network and trying to covert uber drivers to electric right now.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:06 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

specific user such as imago

silby, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:39 (eleven months ago) link

is ~40mpg considered.....good.... in the states

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:48 (eleven months ago) link

Miles are like twice as long as kilometers. Think of it that way.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:28 (eleven months ago) link

here is a picture of the most popular car in america


lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:28 (eleven months ago) link

^^ also twice as long as a kilometer.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:30 (eleven months ago) link

Coming down a two-lane one-way the other day, one of those trucks tried to get past me, but had to slow down because a Hummer was parked in a space next to his lane. Good times.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:32 (eleven months ago) link

da big boys

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:33 (eleven months ago) link

Gas drops below $1.50 and everyone gets frisky.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:36 (eleven months ago) link

lotta litres in a gallon

maffew12, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:39 (eleven months ago) link

ballpark 100 liters per

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:40 (eleven months ago) link

I’m still impressed that they doubled the number of doors on pickup trucks at some point and I barely noticed.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:47 (eleven months ago) link

We got a Nissan Leaf last January and we’re very pleased with it. It was a scary step but there has been no downside so far. We still have a minivan for longer trips or hauling stuff.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:49 (eleven months ago) link

You know who drives the Tesla on our block? The Pentecostals.

I know, right? Like you didn't think they could be even bigger assholes, but there you go.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:59 (eleven months ago) link

also this one i guess but i think we want to the cargo https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/05/another-competent-korean-car-the-kia-niro-ev-reviewed/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 May 2020 03:29 (eleven months ago) link

If the Kia EVs were available in the dc area we probably would’ve gotten one of those instead.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 May 2020 03:30 (eleven months ago) link

two months pass...

Meanwhile Ford has apparently been hard at work building an unlistenable banshee that only runs for 45 minutes on a single charge


Yay for crazy R&D though

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 24 July 2020 19:01 (eight months ago) link


we have to change cars next november (lease runs out). this was top of my list. looks like it's not going to be an option :(

was really hoping a 3 year lease was going to get us to a world where there were more options for family sized evs.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 31 July 2020 05:08 (eight months ago) link

The good news is it’s not like you can go anywhere

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 05:22 (eight months ago) link

I’ve been driving Hyundai ioniqs around recently. That’s a nice mid-size family car. Enough room in the rear seats and a good sized hatchback boot. Slightly lacklustre DC Fast charging performance is compensated for being a really efficient car. (More km/kWh)

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Friday, 31 July 2020 07:42 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

Supposedly the best thing for EVs in really cold weather is to have them plugged in all the time.

(Roy Scheider voice) you're gonna need a longer extension cord

fretless porpentine (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:19 (five months ago) link

why don’t you drive an EV?

Because we have a rock-solid old Subaru that seems destined to make it to the age of 30, but if it dies eventually, I'm thinking we'll go EV.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:39 (five months ago) link

BTW we recently learned that the Chevy Bolt is apparently designed such that the box for a 55” flatscreen TV fits PERFECTLY in the back with the seats folded down. Like somebody had to have made a CAD volume with just those measurements and made sure it would fit.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 October 2020 00:09 (five months ago) link

two months pass...


𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:00 (two months ago) link

i'm actually considering getting rid of my car, as i am fully remote now

at least the pandemic has brought on a few good things

Punster McPunisher, Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:45 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

*looks at calendar* uh premature 4/1 still seems more likely.

Canon in Deez (silby), Monday, 29 March 2021 19:51 (two weeks ago) link

haha apparenty nope

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— Voltswagen (@VW) March 30, 2021

lot of americans taking the opportunity to get priggish about VW's history while the most prominent car company in the US *right now* is run by a space fascist eugenicist.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 18:58 (two weeks ago) link

would definitely drive an EV voltswagen microbus while wearing my patagonia baggies, grateful dead shirt, and merrell hydro mocs, for peak west coast awfulness, but it will cost around my annual salary so unfortunately it will only be a terrible dream

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 19:09 (two weeks ago) link

well apparently it *was* an april fools joke but now everyone is talking about their involvement with the National Socialist German Workers' Party so good job i guess?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 21:14 (two weeks ago) link

Is buying a new electric car every few years better for the environment than maintaining an old car? I may have a bias as my car was built in 1973.

Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 03:44 (two weeks ago) link

making an EV is marginally worse for the environment than making a regular car and much worse than making no car.


making and then driving an EV is probably better than a clunker after a few years, but it's going to depend on how much you drive, etc.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 04:49 (two weeks ago) link

I’m not buying a non peer reviewed study with that disclaimer attached.

Try this one that uses the Argonne GREET lifecycle emissions model.


No car is definitely better but if you have to use a car it’s considerable better to use an EV

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 11:54 (two weeks ago) link

the disclaimer is pretty clear that it's back of the envelope, and nothing more than back of the envelope can be said in response to a vague question about whether to replace an existing ICE car.

but fwiw the abstract of that paper says:

"The lifecycle EV carbon emissions for a vehicle powered by the 2016 US grid is 30.82 metric tons... An average internal combustion engine vehicle (25.4 miles per gallon) is responsible for 68.38 metric tons of carbon dioxide over its lifetime"

which is almost exactly consistent with the back of the envelope calculation which says an ICE car produces about twice as much CO2 as an EV if you amortize manufacturing costs. and it's a whizzy infographic that doesn't cost $5 too.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:13 (two weeks ago) link

Is buying a new electric car every few years better for the environment than maintaining an old car? I may have a bias as my car was built in 1973.

― Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Tuesday, March 30, 2021 8:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

old cars - basically anything pre-90s iirc - are significantly worse for the environment in terms of emissions than regular ICE cars

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:16 (two weeks ago) link

No doubt. I barely ever drive anyway so I guess it's a moot point.

Actually I'm not even sure why I felt the need to reply to this thread, but hey, ILX right?

Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Sunday, 4 April 2021 05:52 (one week ago) link


Canon in Deez (silby), Sunday, 4 April 2021 05:53 (one week ago) link

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