why don’t you drive an EV?

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After a great deal of sturm und drang (we hadn’t had a car for over a decade prior), my family leased a Bolt EV in late 2018. With the exception of having massive transmission / transaxle issues about a year in (all taken care of under warranty) it’s been great. Well, we also have to make sure to get the right street parking spot in order to charge it at home, but that’s only been a problem once.

Who else drives electric? If not, why not, or how soon do you anticipate you will be able to switch?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:28 (two years ago) link

at the time of our last car purchase (v much due to situation out of my control) we couldn't afford an EV and there weren't chargers in my building. Now it's two years later, EVs are cheaper, and there are chargers, but I'm stuck w the car we got >:(

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:35 (two years ago) link

but I will switch at the first opportunity

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:36 (two years ago) link

Last summer I bought a RAV-4 hybrid. It’s the bees knees. I wanted an EV, but I’m a renter with a difficult landlord who wouldn’t let me consider plugging in. Still, I get ~40 mpg, which ain’t nothin.

rb (soda), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:38 (two years ago) link

“ass hat landlord” was not a rationale I had considered before.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:40 (two years ago) link

The weirdest thing btw is the sloshing sound that the battery pack makes shortly after I plug it in. I assume it has something to do with the thermoregulation of the battery cells. Or perhaps the whole thing is like the mop in fantasia.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:46 (two years ago) link

I don't own a car, but if I did, I would buy electric. The only thing that would make me think twice is remembering a friend's experience during the California wildfires last year. The Tesla was pretty much useless for getting them out of an evacuation zone due to power outages: they ended up leaving it behind. Vicious cycle, yeah.

lukas, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:54 (two years ago) link

i would like an EV or hybrid, but my main use for a car these days (besides a v short commute to work that can also be done by bike but not by public transportation) is stuff like camping/covering long distances in the fifth largest state in america aka not conducive to EV at least until there's a an e-truck with good mileage and ground clearance (aka the rivian, which i cannot afford)

ideally i'd take one of these fellas to work: https://www.urbanarrow.com/en/shorty

and have a not-often used truck for trips outta town

gbx, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:54 (two years ago) link

I've got a hybrid Fusion, supposedly gets 42 city/40 highway but the average MPG is more like 35, which is pathetic for a hybrid. though maybe the cold has something to do with that.

will probably be getting a full EV as my next car, whenever that happens

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:56 (two years ago) link

The NHTSA mandates that reversing an EV or hybrid produce a certain amount of noise at certain frequencies to alert pedestrians that there’s an otherwise silent car in motion. For this reason, whenever I back out of my parking spot, some MIDI noisemaker under my hood produces a shriek that sounds like an army of mosquitos.

rb (soda), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:59 (two years ago) link

Supposedly the best thing for EVs in really cold weather is to have them plugged in all the time.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:00 (two years ago) link

I was stlil under the impression new non-luxury cars are like ~$15k. I am very wrong.

Yerac, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:04 (two years ago) link

I don't drive an EV because I don't own a car and the car share doesn't do EVs yet. I'm busy building a charging network and trying to covert uber drivers to electric right now.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:06 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

specific user such as imago

silby, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:39 (two years ago) link

is ~40mpg considered.....good.... in the states

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:48 (two years ago) link

Miles are like twice as long as kilometers. Think of it that way.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:28 (two years ago) link

here is a picture of the most popular car in america


lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:28 (two years ago) link

^^ also twice as long as a kilometer.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:30 (two years ago) link

Coming down a two-lane one-way the other day, one of those trucks tried to get past me, but had to slow down because a Hummer was parked in a space next to his lane. Good times.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:32 (two years ago) link

da big boys

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:33 (two years ago) link

Gas drops below $1.50 and everyone gets frisky.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:36 (two years ago) link

lotta litres in a gallon

maffew12, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:39 (two years ago) link

ballpark 100 liters per

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:40 (two years ago) link

I’m still impressed that they doubled the number of doors on pickup trucks at some point and I barely noticed.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:47 (two years ago) link

We got a Nissan Leaf last January and we’re very pleased with it. It was a scary step but there has been no downside so far. We still have a minivan for longer trips or hauling stuff.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:49 (two years ago) link

You know who drives the Tesla on our block? The Pentecostals.

I know, right? Like you didn't think they could be even bigger assholes, but there you go.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:59 (two years ago) link

also this one i guess but i think we want to the cargo https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/05/another-competent-korean-car-the-kia-niro-ev-reviewed/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 May 2020 03:29 (two years ago) link

If the Kia EVs were available in the dc area we probably would’ve gotten one of those instead.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 May 2020 03:30 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Meanwhile Ford has apparently been hard at work building an unlistenable banshee that only runs for 45 minutes on a single charge


Yay for crazy R&D though

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 24 July 2020 19:01 (one year ago) link


we have to change cars next november (lease runs out). this was top of my list. looks like it's not going to be an option :(

was really hoping a 3 year lease was going to get us to a world where there were more options for family sized evs.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 31 July 2020 05:08 (one year ago) link

The good news is it’s not like you can go anywhere

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 05:22 (one year ago) link

I’ve been driving Hyundai ioniqs around recently. That’s a nice mid-size family car. Enough room in the rear seats and a good sized hatchback boot. Slightly lacklustre DC Fast charging performance is compensated for being a really efficient car. (More km/kWh)

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Friday, 31 July 2020 07:42 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Supposedly the best thing for EVs in really cold weather is to have them plugged in all the time.

(Roy Scheider voice) you're gonna need a longer extension cord

fretless porpentine (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:19 (one year ago) link

why don’t you drive an EV?

Because we have a rock-solid old Subaru that seems destined to make it to the age of 30, but if it dies eventually, I'm thinking we'll go EV.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:39 (one year ago) link

BTW we recently learned that the Chevy Bolt is apparently designed such that the box for a 55” flatscreen TV fits PERFECTLY in the back with the seats folded down. Like somebody had to have made a CAD volume with just those measurements and made sure it would fit.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 October 2020 00:09 (one year ago) link

two months pass...


𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:00 (one year ago) link

i'm actually considering getting rid of my car, as i am fully remote now

at least the pandemic has brought on a few good things

Punster McPunisher, Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:45 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

*looks at calendar* uh premature 4/1 still seems more likely.

Canon in Deez (silby), Monday, 29 March 2021 19:51 (one year ago) link

haha apparenty nope

We know, 66 is an unusual age to change your name, but we’ve always been young at heart. Introducing Voltswagen. Similar to Volkswagen, but with a renewed focus on electric driving. Starting with our all-new, all-electric SUV the ID.4 - available today. #Voltswagen #ID4 pic.twitter.com/pKQKlZDCQ7

— Voltswagen (@VW) March 30, 2021

lot of americans taking the opportunity to get priggish about VW's history while the most prominent car company in the US *right now* is run by a space fascist eugenicist.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 18:58 (one year ago) link

would definitely drive an EV voltswagen microbus while wearing my patagonia baggies, grateful dead shirt, and merrell hydro mocs, for peak west coast awfulness, but it will cost around my annual salary so unfortunately it will only be a terrible dream

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 19:09 (one year ago) link

well apparently it *was* an april fools joke but now everyone is talking about their involvement with the National Socialist German Workers' Party so good job i guess?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 21:14 (one year ago) link

Is buying a new electric car every few years better for the environment than maintaining an old car? I may have a bias as my car was built in 1973.

Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 03:44 (one year ago) link

making an EV is marginally worse for the environment than making a regular car and much worse than making no car.


making and then driving an EV is probably better than a clunker after a few years, but it's going to depend on how much you drive, etc.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 04:49 (one year ago) link

I’m not buying a non peer reviewed study with that disclaimer attached.

Try this one that uses the Argonne GREET lifecycle emissions model.


No car is definitely better but if you have to use a car it’s considerable better to use an EV

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 11:54 (one year ago) link

the disclaimer is pretty clear that it's back of the envelope, and nothing more than back of the envelope can be said in response to a vague question about whether to replace an existing ICE car.

but fwiw the abstract of that paper says:

"The lifecycle EV carbon emissions for a vehicle powered by the 2016 US grid is 30.82 metric tons... An average internal combustion engine vehicle (25.4 miles per gallon) is responsible for 68.38 metric tons of carbon dioxide over its lifetime"

which is almost exactly consistent with the back of the envelope calculation which says an ICE car produces about twice as much CO2 as an EV if you amortize manufacturing costs. and it's a whizzy infographic that doesn't cost $5 too.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:13 (one year ago) link

Is buying a new electric car every few years better for the environment than maintaining an old car? I may have a bias as my car was built in 1973.

― Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Tuesday, March 30, 2021 8:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

old cars - basically anything pre-90s iirc - are significantly worse for the environment in terms of emissions than regular ICE cars

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:16 (one year ago) link

No doubt. I barely ever drive anyway so I guess it's a moot point.

Actually I'm not even sure why I felt the need to reply to this thread, but hey, ILX right?

Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Sunday, 4 April 2021 05:52 (one year ago) link


Canon in Deez (silby), Sunday, 4 April 2021 05:53 (one year ago) link


cant imagine i will ever be in the market but as someone who drove the 77 bus in HS this makes me feel like will have to drive this one day

class project pat (m bison), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 04:19 (three months ago) link

i really like how the hyundai ioniq 5 looks, has some future 80s tron styling without being retro feels like it could a way forward, except for the stupid wheels which i hate, i know its a areo thing but they cant be doing that much, carmakers make normal ev wheels and door handles challenge


lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 16:12 (three months ago) link

ah i guess they do offer some more normal ones, kudos


lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 16:15 (three months ago) link

on their site i cant even find how to buy the bad wheels idk


lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 16:20 (three months ago) link

this car is expensive btw

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 16:20 (three months ago) link


lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 16:21 (three months ago) link

a smaller lower version of this car, a hatchback if you will, would be pretty sick

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 16:23 (three months ago) link


Every single one of these fuckers.

pplains, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 19:21 (three months ago) link

We have 2012 and 2020 hondas that we will probably drive into the ground, but I am sort of excited to eventually get an EV if/when it's finally time to replace the 2012 (it has <90k miles on it so should be good for a while).

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 29 March 2022 19:22 (three months ago) link


why don't you drive a hot hatch

, Friday, 1 April 2022 12:35 (three months ago) link

i love it

Tracer Hand, Friday, 1 April 2022 12:37 (three months ago) link


lag∞n, Friday, 1 April 2022 12:49 (three months ago) link

you guys already get the gr yaris though! xp

, Friday, 1 April 2022 13:16 (three months ago) link

actual lols at "hot hatch"

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 1 April 2022 15:08 (three months ago) link

i love the honda e, it super sucks theyre not sold in the us

class project pat (m bison), Friday, 1 April 2022 21:09 (three months ago) link

Turns out my Mach-E arrived at the dealer yesterday. The salesperson I had started the order with had left the dealership since my last conversation in February. My order then got poached by someone else there before her replacement took over. I find out more when I get there tomorrow. Super-excited!

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 2 April 2022 03:33 (three months ago) link

(sorry everyone) "I'll"

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 2 April 2022 03:34 (three months ago) link


BC previously set 2025 as its target for meeting 10% zero-emission vehicle sales, but it is now five years ahead of schedule.

In 2015, the proportion of electric-battery car sales was just 0.8%, and it grew to only 1% in 2016 and 1.5% in 2017. But the rate of growth began to accelerate in 2018, when 4.1% was recorded. This was followed by 8.7% in 2019, and 9.4% in 2020.

vancouver being a mid-size, compact city and having smaller streets makes it ideal for EVs (to a lesser extent, electric scooters and electric motorcycles maybe). there's been a lot of supply shortages, but once supply chains get back to some sense of normality, i assume the EV market is going to blow up here

Punster McPunisher, Sunday, 3 April 2022 19:17 (three months ago) link

I wanna test drive a Mach-E and nobody has any

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 3 April 2022 19:39 (three months ago) link

My state has 2,000 all-electric vehicles on the road.... and 34,000 Chevy Silverados.

pplains, Sunday, 3 April 2022 21:33 (three months ago) link

Soon you'll be able to have both:


Lee626, Sunday, 3 April 2022 22:54 (three months ago) link

119 days later:



Elvis Telecom, Monday, 4 April 2022 00:19 (three months ago) link


call all destroyer, Monday, 4 April 2022 00:20 (three months ago) link


class project pat (m bison), Monday, 4 April 2022 00:31 (three months ago) link

Couple of notes on Mach-E ordering...

Check out the "No ADM (Additional Dealer Markup) Dealer List" thread on Mach-E Forum. Don't even consider going to a dealer that's not on the list as you're just going to waste your time and money.

If you're in the USA, once you reserve an order online spend the $30 to join the Mustang Club of America. After 90 days of membership you'll qualify for X-Plan pricing from Ford. Depending upon what state you live in, X-Plan can get you up to $2500 off of MSRP along with some additional discounts. Here in CA, I got the max MSPR reduction along with all my DMV fees waived - a big savings!

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 4 April 2022 00:40 (three months ago) link

love a good deal, love it more when i learn about it from the forums

class project pat (m bison), Monday, 4 April 2022 00:41 (three months ago) link

Also, check to see if the Ford Options lease program is available in your state. Even if you were planning on just paying for the car outright, the program gets you a $2500 reduction on the total price. Even if you pay it off in the following month it is still advantageous.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 4 April 2022 01:10 (three months ago) link


reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR), Monday, 4 April 2022 02:04 (three months ago) link

Introducing the newest #EV face in the family, the #GenesisXSpeedium Coupe. Take a sneak peek at what the future holds for us.#GENESIS #GenesisX #ConceptCar #GenesisHouse #NewYork #CarDesign #CarPhotography pic.twitter.com/BWmsM6iavR

— Hyundai Motor Group (@HMGnewsroom) April 14, 2022

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Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 April 2022 22:06 (two months ago) link

Mercedes EQXX breaks 1000km on a single charge

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 16 April 2022 08:11 (two months ago) link

I think EVs were already supposed to hold their value better bc of fewer wear and tear issues, but yeah that's still wild

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 17 April 2022 05:08 (two months ago) link

that’s true about the motor, but EV batteries project to hold their capacity for about 8 years iirc so buying a 3-yo EV with 20K miles on it feels like… you’re getting a lot less for your money? idgi

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 17 April 2022 07:57 (two months ago) link

Most EVs come with an 8 year performance warranty on their batteries. Warranties are conservative because manufacturers don’t want to pay out. Range will be down but you won’t have a dead car.

Manufacturers are stuffing unnecessary extra range in, to keep prices up, so in 8 years you’ll still have more than you need.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Sunday, 17 April 2022 09:40 (two months ago) link

that’s good to know.

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 17 April 2022 10:51 (two months ago) link

think i read youll lose 2-3% capacity a year, so eight years ~20% its not nothing but its not like the car wont work

lag∞n, Sunday, 17 April 2022 12:01 (two months ago) link

when i was researching last year abt this, this has been a trend for a lot of ppl who buy the prius primes already bc they get so many rebates/tax credits in some states that they could buy a new prius for under $20k, then would turn around and flip for a new year's model the next year with profit. i've had my car for a year and i could likely sell mine in this market for $7-8k more than what i paid for it.

class project pat (m bison), Sunday, 17 April 2022 13:43 (two months ago) link

Spotted in Denver. Talk about a sea change moment. pic.twitter.com/7bCHe7aduV

— Cresten Mansfeldt (@drmansfeldt) April 16, 2022

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 17 April 2022 20:38 (two months ago) link


Punster McPunisher, Saturday, 30 April 2022 05:49 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...


, Thursday, 19 May 2022 15:44 (one month ago) link

ugly as sin & far too expensive

like a schick razor married a cuisinart

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 May 2022 16:13 (one month ago) link


sales on the west coast approaching 20%

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 19:15 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

just talking to a guy from a big european car maker who says flatly that level 5 autonomous driving will never exist

Tracer Hand, Monday, 13 June 2022 14:16 (three weeks ago) link

he says level 4 will, and will save a lot of lives if it's done right

Tracer Hand, Monday, 13 June 2022 14:16 (three weeks ago) link

but we're still very far from level 3 at the moment

Tracer Hand, Monday, 13 June 2022 14:17 (three weeks ago) link

check back in five years for him to tell you level 4 will never exist

lag∞n, Monday, 13 June 2022 15:01 (three weeks ago) link

coding horror... i havent heard that name in a long time

lag∞n, Monday, 13 June 2022 15:04 (three weeks ago) link

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