why don’t you drive an EV?

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After a great deal of sturm und drang (we hadn’t had a car for over a decade prior), my family leased a Bolt EV in late 2018. With the exception of having massive transmission / transaxle issues about a year in (all taken care of under warranty) it’s been great. Well, we also have to make sure to get the right street parking spot in order to charge it at home, but that’s only been a problem once.

Who else drives electric? If not, why not, or how soon do you anticipate you will be able to switch?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:28 (two years ago) link

at the time of our last car purchase (v much due to situation out of my control) we couldn't afford an EV and there weren't chargers in my building. Now it's two years later, EVs are cheaper, and there are chargers, but I'm stuck w the car we got >:(

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:35 (two years ago) link

but I will switch at the first opportunity

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:36 (two years ago) link

Last summer I bought a RAV-4 hybrid. It’s the bees knees. I wanted an EV, but I’m a renter with a difficult landlord who wouldn’t let me consider plugging in. Still, I get ~40 mpg, which ain’t nothin.

rb (soda), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:38 (two years ago) link

“ass hat landlord” was not a rationale I had considered before.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:40 (two years ago) link

The weirdest thing btw is the sloshing sound that the battery pack makes shortly after I plug it in. I assume it has something to do with the thermoregulation of the battery cells. Or perhaps the whole thing is like the mop in fantasia.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:46 (two years ago) link

I don't own a car, but if I did, I would buy electric. The only thing that would make me think twice is remembering a friend's experience during the California wildfires last year. The Tesla was pretty much useless for getting them out of an evacuation zone due to power outages: they ended up leaving it behind. Vicious cycle, yeah.

lukas, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:54 (two years ago) link

i would like an EV or hybrid, but my main use for a car these days (besides a v short commute to work that can also be done by bike but not by public transportation) is stuff like camping/covering long distances in the fifth largest state in america aka not conducive to EV at least until there's a an e-truck with good mileage and ground clearance (aka the rivian, which i cannot afford)

ideally i'd take one of these fellas to work: https://www.urbanarrow.com/en/shorty

and have a not-often used truck for trips outta town

gbx, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:54 (two years ago) link

I've got a hybrid Fusion, supposedly gets 42 city/40 highway but the average MPG is more like 35, which is pathetic for a hybrid. though maybe the cold has something to do with that.

will probably be getting a full EV as my next car, whenever that happens

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:56 (two years ago) link

The NHTSA mandates that reversing an EV or hybrid produce a certain amount of noise at certain frequencies to alert pedestrians that there’s an otherwise silent car in motion. For this reason, whenever I back out of my parking spot, some MIDI noisemaker under my hood produces a shriek that sounds like an army of mosquitos.

rb (soda), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:59 (two years ago) link

Supposedly the best thing for EVs in really cold weather is to have them plugged in all the time.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:00 (two years ago) link

I was stlil under the impression new non-luxury cars are like ~$15k. I am very wrong.

Yerac, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:04 (two years ago) link

I don't drive an EV because I don't own a car and the car share doesn't do EVs yet. I'm busy building a charging network and trying to covert uber drivers to electric right now.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:06 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

specific user such as imago

silby, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:39 (two years ago) link

is ~40mpg considered.....good.... in the states

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:48 (two years ago) link

Miles are like twice as long as kilometers. Think of it that way.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:28 (two years ago) link

here is a picture of the most popular car in america

https://i.imgur.com/vlOVuV7.png

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:28 (two years ago) link

^^ also twice as long as a kilometer.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:30 (two years ago) link

Coming down a two-lane one-way the other day, one of those trucks tried to get past me, but had to slow down because a Hummer was parked in a space next to his lane. Good times.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:32 (two years ago) link

da big boys

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:33 (two years ago) link

Gas drops below $1.50 and everyone gets frisky.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:36 (two years ago) link

lotta litres in a gallon

maffew12, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:39 (two years ago) link

ballpark 100 liters per

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:40 (two years ago) link

I’m still impressed that they doubled the number of doors on pickup trucks at some point and I barely noticed.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:47 (two years ago) link

We got a Nissan Leaf last January and we’re very pleased with it. It was a scary step but there has been no downside so far. We still have a minivan for longer trips or hauling stuff.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:49 (two years ago) link

You know who drives the Tesla on our block? The Pentecostals.

I know, right? Like you didn't think they could be even bigger assholes, but there you go.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:59 (two years ago) link

also this one i guess but i think we want to the cargo https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/05/another-competent-korean-car-the-kia-niro-ev-reviewed/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 May 2020 03:29 (two years ago) link

If the Kia EVs were available in the dc area we probably would’ve gotten one of those instead.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 May 2020 03:30 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Meanwhile Ford has apparently been hard at work building an unlistenable banshee that only runs for 45 minutes on a single charge

https://jalopnik.com/my-brain-cant-process-the-noise-the-seven-motor-ford-mu-1844483324

Yay for crazy R&D though

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 24 July 2020 19:01 (two years ago) link

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/07/kia-denies-report-that-the-soul-ev-is-cancelled-for-america/

we have to change cars next november (lease runs out). this was top of my list. looks like it's not going to be an option :(

was really hoping a 3 year lease was going to get us to a world where there were more options for family sized evs.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 31 July 2020 05:08 (two years ago) link

The good news is it’s not like you can go anywhere

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 05:22 (two years ago) link

I’ve been driving Hyundai ioniqs around recently. That’s a nice mid-size family car. Enough room in the rear seats and a good sized hatchback boot. Slightly lacklustre DC Fast charging performance is compensated for being a really efficient car. (More km/kWh)

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Friday, 31 July 2020 07:42 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Supposedly the best thing for EVs in really cold weather is to have them plugged in all the time.

(Roy Scheider voice) you're gonna need a longer extension cord

fretless porpentine (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:19 (two years ago) link

why don’t you drive an EV?

Because we have a rock-solid old Subaru that seems destined to make it to the age of 30, but if it dies eventually, I'm thinking we'll go EV.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:39 (two years ago) link

BTW we recently learned that the Chevy Bolt is apparently designed such that the box for a 55” flatscreen TV fits PERFECTLY in the back with the seats folded down. Like somebody had to have made a CAD volume with just those measurements and made sure it would fit.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 October 2020 00:09 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.carboncounter.com/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:00 (one year ago) link

i'm actually considering getting rid of my car, as i am fully remote now

at least the pandemic has brought on a few good things

Punster McPunisher, Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:45 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

*looks at calendar* uh premature 4/1 still seems more likely.

Canon in Deez (silby), Monday, 29 March 2021 19:51 (one year ago) link

haha apparenty nope

We know, 66 is an unusual age to change your name, but we’ve always been young at heart. Introducing Voltswagen. Similar to Volkswagen, but with a renewed focus on electric driving. Starting with our all-new, all-electric SUV the ID.4 - available today. #Voltswagen #ID4 pic.twitter.com/pKQKlZDCQ7

— Voltswagen (@VW) March 30, 2021

lot of americans taking the opportunity to get priggish about VW's history while the most prominent car company in the US *right now* is run by a space fascist eugenicist.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 18:58 (one year ago) link

would definitely drive an EV voltswagen microbus while wearing my patagonia baggies, grateful dead shirt, and merrell hydro mocs, for peak west coast awfulness, but it will cost around my annual salary so unfortunately it will only be a terrible dream

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 19:09 (one year ago) link

well apparently it *was* an april fools joke but now everyone is talking about their involvement with the National Socialist German Workers' Party so good job i guess?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 21:14 (one year ago) link

Is buying a new electric car every few years better for the environment than maintaining an old car? I may have a bias as my car was built in 1973.

Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 03:44 (one year ago) link

making an EV is marginally worse for the environment than making a regular car and much worse than making no car.

https://tnmt.com/infographics/carbon-emissions-by-transport-type/

making and then driving an EV is probably better than a clunker after a few years, but it's going to depend on how much you drive, etc.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 04:49 (one year ago) link

I’m not buying a non peer reviewed study with that disclaimer attached.

Try this one that uses the Argonne GREET lifecycle emissions model.

https://cgscholar.com/bookstore/works/the-climate-change-mitigation-potential-of-electric-vehicles-as-a-function-of-renewable-energy

No car is definitely better but if you have to use a car it’s considerable better to use an EV

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 11:54 (one year ago) link

the disclaimer is pretty clear that it's back of the envelope, and nothing more than back of the envelope can be said in response to a vague question about whether to replace an existing ICE car.

but fwiw the abstract of that paper says:

"The lifecycle EV carbon emissions for a vehicle powered by the 2016 US grid is 30.82 metric tons... An average internal combustion engine vehicle (25.4 miles per gallon) is responsible for 68.38 metric tons of carbon dioxide over its lifetime"

which is almost exactly consistent with the back of the envelope calculation which says an ICE car produces about twice as much CO2 as an EV if you amortize manufacturing costs. and it's a whizzy infographic that doesn't cost $5 too.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:13 (one year ago) link

Is buying a new electric car every few years better for the environment than maintaining an old car? I may have a bias as my car was built in 1973.

― Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Tuesday, March 30, 2021 8:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

old cars - basically anything pre-90s iirc - are significantly worse for the environment in terms of emissions than regular ICE cars

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:16 (one year ago) link

No doubt. I barely ever drive anyway so I guess it's a moot point.

Actually I'm not even sure why I felt the need to reply to this thread, but hey, ILX right?

Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Sunday, 4 April 2021 05:52 (one year ago) link

otm

Canon in Deez (silby), Sunday, 4 April 2021 05:53 (one year ago) link

my prius prime is the best car i’ve ever driven, glad to see them pivot towards phevs on a bigger scale since all their other models are hybrids now anyway. boosting the EV range from 25 to 39 is p neat, wondering how much extra it’s gonna cost now tho

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:14 (two weeks ago) link

my dad had one of the earlier ones i did not like that car, that was a long time ago tho

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:16 (two weeks ago) link

pretty lame that the subaru impreza hatch (not an actual wagon) and acura tsx sport wagon are discontinued

would be great if honda made a civic or accord version of the acura tsx wagon

this seems correct to me: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/americans-dont-station-wagons-heres-205959537.html

This leaves the wagons with perhaps the most narrowcasted demographic in the entire auto industry, made up of practical unwed hipsters, young childless couples, and car writers, who have always been BIG on the wagon thing because they lack other more obscure choices, such as updated El Caminos or a Subaru Baja

oh noooo rumbled

the late great, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:27 (two weeks ago) link

I have kids and all I want is a wagon

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:28 (two weeks ago) link

wagons used to be synonymous with kids, until the cursed cuv (tall wagon) was discovered

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:30 (two weeks ago) link

xp, may i draw your attention to the title of the article good sir

Americans don't like station wagons — here's why

the late great, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:31 (two weeks ago) link

oh my mom had one of those when we were in late elementary / early middle school. weirdly tall long nissan sedan with fold down seats in the trunk. sort of a fake minivan

the late great, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:32 (two weeks ago) link

here what i think eurpoe usa japan et al should just form some intl group for auto standards then they can just sell the same cars in all the markets and can easily send us say an m3 touring or whatever for the 10 people who want it everyones happy

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:34 (two weeks ago) link

oh you want that 30 year old land cruiser model still being sold in australia here u go weirdo knock yourself out

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:35 (two weeks ago) link

s3 hatchback why not have fun

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:35 (two weeks ago) link

disagree, that will just make it easier for our class enemies to round us up

1986 4wd stanza wagon!!! astounding car

https://topclassiccarsforsale.com/datsun/99248-1986-nissan-stanza-datsun-prairie-4x4-wagon-5-speed-manual-4wd.html

the late great, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:37 (two weeks ago) link

last time i rented a car in the uk it was an audi wagon and it was in most respects the highlight of my life and it's been downhill from there.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:38 (two weeks ago) link

ha i remember those, the true crossover grandaddy is the amg eagle, amazing car tbf xp

https://i.imgur.com/ytuSFTQ.png

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:40 (two weeks ago) link

u know u can still get an audi wagon xp

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:40 (two weeks ago) link

my wife (american) won't let me.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:48 (two weeks ago) link

tell her i said its ok if you have one as a treat

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:49 (two weeks ago) link

https://barnfinds.com/side-impact-1987-nissan-stanza-wagon/

this post shows the cool fold-down seats for taking extra kids home from soccer practice

the late great, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:55 (two weeks ago) link

I don't really get this -- so the Subaru Outback is a station wagon and the Forester is a crossover/SUV? I think of those cars as kind of indistinguishable and purchased by the same kind of people. (I drive a Forester.)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:55 (two weeks ago) link

imo neither are wagons, since neither have a third pillar (plus they have the clearance of an suv not a sedan)

i think the only brands currently making wagons are audi, bmw, benz and volvo. and as we already discussed they are all crazy expensive, which cuts into the budget for kobe steak and helicopter fuel

the late great, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:58 (two weeks ago) link

the outback is definitely longer in the back than a forester

, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 19:58 (two weeks ago) link

confusingly, the outback used to be available as a sedan

https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/subaru/outback/2001/oem/2001_subaru_outback_sedan_limited_fq_oem_1_500.jpg

, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:00 (two weeks ago) link

that car is sick iirc thats from when the outback was a trim level not a car so that was the legacy outback sedan, i know someone who has one

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:02 (two weeks ago) link

its the ll bean edition too just a bizarre car i love it

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:03 (two weeks ago) link

forester is a little taller and squarer than the outback but lol yeah they are comically similar

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:03 (two weeks ago) link

actually if you have, say, a 2002 forester, i think that might count?

https://www.cars.com/i/large/in/v2/stock_photos/b7c99a06-5f3a-4eea-aa99-4d9968721245/3513e7ad-b63a-451f-8284-df4dc2bc85ed.png

but not a 2022 forester

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/9YO1m/s3/2022-subaru-forester-wilderness-first-drive-review.jpg

three box vs two box design

the late great, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:03 (two weeks ago) link

i own a forester and i regular mistake other people's outbacks for foresters and vice versa.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:04 (two weeks ago) link

imagine how much you'd get hit on if you had a prius wagon in brown

https://www.leithtoyota.com/assets/shared/CustomHTMLFiles/Responsive/MRP/Toyota/2017/Prius-v/images/2017-Toyota-Prius-v-01.jpg

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:05 (two weeks ago) link

even the new ones its just a lil boxier, i park in a lot with many subarus one of which is mine so ive thought about this a lot xp, i would never confuse them thats shameful

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:06 (two weeks ago) link

that car is sick iirc thats from when the outback was a trim level not a car so that was the legacy outback sedan, i know someone who has one

― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 16, 2022 3:02 PM (one minute ago)

ah right, that was a weird time... reminds me of one of my grail cars, the impreza outback sport which has the best impreza nose imo combined with the practicality of a hatchback

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/1st-Subaru-Outback-Sport.jpg

, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:06 (two weeks ago) link

thats a wrx tho no with the hood scoop (impreza platform)

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:08 (two weeks ago) link

also u cant just post a picture of the wilderness like its a normal one, lol those things are sick tho, i wld never own a forester tho team outback 4 life bb

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:08 (two weeks ago) link

i think the wrx badge wasn't used until the bugeye impreza

, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:09 (two weeks ago) link

actually i may be completely wrong

https://m.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebPageID=24128&Range=Forester&ModelYear=2022

^^ if you look at the photo of the chassis toward the bottom (next to the linkfor subaru global platform) it's a bit hard to follow but i think i can see a c and d pillar? so maybe it counts?

the late great, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:09 (two weeks ago) link

i think the wrx badge wasn't used until the bugeye impreza

― 龜, Wednesday, November 16, 2022 3:09 PM (forty-four seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

ah ok

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:10 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.hotcars.com/looking-back-at-the-first-usdm-subaru-wrx/

Let’s look back on that 2002 model; the first WRX to be sold in North America and, it can be argued, the one that made Subaru into a household name not only for dog-walking enthusiasts but for driving enthusiasts too.

but according to wikipedia impreza WRXs were sold in europe since 92 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Impreza#WRX

, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:13 (two weeks ago) link

love how all channels on this board end up being subaru chat

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:28 (two weeks ago) link

i dont even really like subarus i got one to be sensible lol

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 20:31 (two weeks ago) link

MG makes an EV station wagon

https://thedriven.io/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/DSC05081-Final-Reg-Plate-1-2400x1600-1.jpg

starts at £30K so not cheap but a good £10K cheaper than most other EVs

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 21:19 (two weeks ago) link

https://t.co/ixbAwSlMkB pic.twitter.com/GSVh3IbZkT

— tumblr dot com the website and app (@tumblr) November 18, 2022

, Friday, 18 November 2022 18:25 (two weeks ago) link

i saw that on twitter but didn't understand it. pls explain

the late great, Friday, 18 November 2022 20:38 (two weeks ago) link

oh i just posted it cuz it's got a subie in the pic

, Friday, 18 November 2022 22:40 (two weeks ago) link

actually if you have, say, a 2002 forester, i think that might count?

Mine's not THAT new but it does look a lot like the one in the picture.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 18 November 2022 22:54 (two weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

this car looks ugly as hell https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/5912/new-fisker-ocean-revealed-price-specs-release-date

but in reading about it i came across this sentence:

Fisker is also at work on developing solid-state battery technology, which it says would allow future electric vehicles to gain 500 miles worth of charge in as little as one minute.

ehh???

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-ces/new-fisker-ocean-electric-suv-revealed-300-mile-range

Tracer Hand, Monday, 5 December 2022 09:57 (yesterday) link

toyota is also working on solid state batteries tho i dont remember any specs about em

https://insideevs.com/news/598046/toyota-global-leader-solid-state-batery-patents/

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 5 December 2022 12:31 (yesterday) link

i after long deliberation have come to the conclusion that i just do not like how the popular huge wheels tiny greenhouse car profile looks, and works bad too

lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2022 13:55 (yesterday) link

weird aero ev wheels just makes it worse

lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2022 13:58 (yesterday) link

and then the huge wheels necessarily need a thinner rougher riding tire, and you cant see out the tiny windows

lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2022 14:00 (yesterday) link

this car looks ugly as hell https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/5912/new-fisker-ocean-revealed-price-specs-release-date

but in reading about it i came across this sentence:

Fisker is also at work on developing solid-state battery technology, which it says would allow future electric vehicles to gain 500 miles worth of charge in as little as one minute.
ehh???

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-ces/new-fisker-ocean-electric-suv-revealed-300-mile-range

― Tracer Hand, Monday, December 5, 2022 4:57 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

if you can really get one of these for 30k thats pretty sick, the battery tech is almost certainly vaporware tho

lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2022 15:07 (yesterday) link

thats how much the tesla 3 was supposed to be, actually costs like 50k lol

lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2022 15:08 (yesterday) link


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