why don’t you drive an EV?

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After a great deal of sturm und drang (we hadn’t had a car for over a decade prior), my family leased a Bolt EV in late 2018. With the exception of having massive transmission / transaxle issues about a year in (all taken care of under warranty) it’s been great. Well, we also have to make sure to get the right street parking spot in order to charge it at home, but that’s only been a problem once.

Who else drives electric? If not, why not, or how soon do you anticipate you will be able to switch?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:28 (one year ago) link

at the time of our last car purchase (v much due to situation out of my control) we couldn't afford an EV and there weren't chargers in my building. Now it's two years later, EVs are cheaper, and there are chargers, but I'm stuck w the car we got >:(

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:35 (one year ago) link

but I will switch at the first opportunity

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:36 (one year ago) link

Last summer I bought a RAV-4 hybrid. It’s the bees knees. I wanted an EV, but I’m a renter with a difficult landlord who wouldn’t let me consider plugging in. Still, I get ~40 mpg, which ain’t nothin.

rb (soda), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:38 (one year ago) link

“ass hat landlord” was not a rationale I had considered before.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:40 (one year ago) link

The weirdest thing btw is the sloshing sound that the battery pack makes shortly after I plug it in. I assume it has something to do with the thermoregulation of the battery cells. Or perhaps the whole thing is like the mop in fantasia.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:46 (one year ago) link

I don't own a car, but if I did, I would buy electric. The only thing that would make me think twice is remembering a friend's experience during the California wildfires last year. The Tesla was pretty much useless for getting them out of an evacuation zone due to power outages: they ended up leaving it behind. Vicious cycle, yeah.

lukas, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:54 (one year ago) link

i would like an EV or hybrid, but my main use for a car these days (besides a v short commute to work that can also be done by bike but not by public transportation) is stuff like camping/covering long distances in the fifth largest state in america aka not conducive to EV at least until there's a an e-truck with good mileage and ground clearance (aka the rivian, which i cannot afford)

ideally i'd take one of these fellas to work: https://www.urbanarrow.com/en/shorty

and have a not-often used truck for trips outta town

gbx, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:54 (one year ago) link

I've got a hybrid Fusion, supposedly gets 42 city/40 highway but the average MPG is more like 35, which is pathetic for a hybrid. though maybe the cold has something to do with that.

will probably be getting a full EV as my next car, whenever that happens

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:56 (one year ago) link

The NHTSA mandates that reversing an EV or hybrid produce a certain amount of noise at certain frequencies to alert pedestrians that there’s an otherwise silent car in motion. For this reason, whenever I back out of my parking spot, some MIDI noisemaker under my hood produces a shriek that sounds like an army of mosquitos.

rb (soda), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:59 (one year ago) link

Supposedly the best thing for EVs in really cold weather is to have them plugged in all the time.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:00 (one year ago) link

I was stlil under the impression new non-luxury cars are like ~$15k. I am very wrong.

Yerac, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:04 (one year ago) link

I don't drive an EV because I don't own a car and the car share doesn't do EVs yet. I'm busy building a charging network and trying to covert uber drivers to electric right now.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:06 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

specific user such as imago

silby, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:39 (one year ago) link

is ~40mpg considered.....good.... in the states

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:48 (one year ago) link

Miles are like twice as long as kilometers. Think of it that way.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:28 (one year ago) link

here is a picture of the most popular car in america


lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:28 (one year ago) link

^^ also twice as long as a kilometer.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:30 (one year ago) link

Coming down a two-lane one-way the other day, one of those trucks tried to get past me, but had to slow down because a Hummer was parked in a space next to his lane. Good times.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:32 (one year ago) link

da big boys

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:33 (one year ago) link

Gas drops below $1.50 and everyone gets frisky.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:36 (one year ago) link

lotta litres in a gallon

maffew12, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:39 (one year ago) link

ballpark 100 liters per

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:40 (one year ago) link

I’m still impressed that they doubled the number of doors on pickup trucks at some point and I barely noticed.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:47 (one year ago) link

We got a Nissan Leaf last January and we’re very pleased with it. It was a scary step but there has been no downside so far. We still have a minivan for longer trips or hauling stuff.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:49 (one year ago) link

You know who drives the Tesla on our block? The Pentecostals.

I know, right? Like you didn't think they could be even bigger assholes, but there you go.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:59 (one year ago) link

also this one i guess but i think we want to the cargo https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/05/another-competent-korean-car-the-kia-niro-ev-reviewed/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 May 2020 03:29 (one year ago) link

If the Kia EVs were available in the dc area we probably would’ve gotten one of those instead.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 May 2020 03:30 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Meanwhile Ford has apparently been hard at work building an unlistenable banshee that only runs for 45 minutes on a single charge


Yay for crazy R&D though

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 24 July 2020 19:01 (one year ago) link


we have to change cars next november (lease runs out). this was top of my list. looks like it's not going to be an option :(

was really hoping a 3 year lease was going to get us to a world where there were more options for family sized evs.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 31 July 2020 05:08 (one year ago) link

The good news is it’s not like you can go anywhere

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 05:22 (one year ago) link

I’ve been driving Hyundai ioniqs around recently. That’s a nice mid-size family car. Enough room in the rear seats and a good sized hatchback boot. Slightly lacklustre DC Fast charging performance is compensated for being a really efficient car. (More km/kWh)

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Friday, 31 July 2020 07:42 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Supposedly the best thing for EVs in really cold weather is to have them plugged in all the time.

(Roy Scheider voice) you're gonna need a longer extension cord

fretless porpentine (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:19 (one year ago) link

why don’t you drive an EV?

Because we have a rock-solid old Subaru that seems destined to make it to the age of 30, but if it dies eventually, I'm thinking we'll go EV.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:39 (one year ago) link

BTW we recently learned that the Chevy Bolt is apparently designed such that the box for a 55” flatscreen TV fits PERFECTLY in the back with the seats folded down. Like somebody had to have made a CAD volume with just those measurements and made sure it would fit.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 October 2020 00:09 (one year ago) link

two months pass...


𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:00 (eleven months ago) link

i'm actually considering getting rid of my car, as i am fully remote now

at least the pandemic has brought on a few good things

Punster McPunisher, Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:45 (eleven months ago) link

two months pass...

*looks at calendar* uh premature 4/1 still seems more likely.

Canon in Deez (silby), Monday, 29 March 2021 19:51 (nine months ago) link

haha apparenty nope

We know, 66 is an unusual age to change your name, but we’ve always been young at heart. Introducing Voltswagen. Similar to Volkswagen, but with a renewed focus on electric driving. Starting with our all-new, all-electric SUV the ID.4 - available today. #Voltswagen #ID4 pic.twitter.com/pKQKlZDCQ7

— Voltswagen (@VW) March 30, 2021

lot of americans taking the opportunity to get priggish about VW's history while the most prominent car company in the US *right now* is run by a space fascist eugenicist.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 18:58 (nine months ago) link

would definitely drive an EV voltswagen microbus while wearing my patagonia baggies, grateful dead shirt, and merrell hydro mocs, for peak west coast awfulness, but it will cost around my annual salary so unfortunately it will only be a terrible dream

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 19:09 (nine months ago) link

well apparently it *was* an april fools joke but now everyone is talking about their involvement with the National Socialist German Workers' Party so good job i guess?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 21:14 (nine months ago) link

Is buying a new electric car every few years better for the environment than maintaining an old car? I may have a bias as my car was built in 1973.

Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 03:44 (nine months ago) link

making an EV is marginally worse for the environment than making a regular car and much worse than making no car.


making and then driving an EV is probably better than a clunker after a few years, but it's going to depend on how much you drive, etc.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 04:49 (nine months ago) link

I’m not buying a non peer reviewed study with that disclaimer attached.

Try this one that uses the Argonne GREET lifecycle emissions model.


No car is definitely better but if you have to use a car it’s considerable better to use an EV

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 11:54 (nine months ago) link

the disclaimer is pretty clear that it's back of the envelope, and nothing more than back of the envelope can be said in response to a vague question about whether to replace an existing ICE car.

but fwiw the abstract of that paper says:

"The lifecycle EV carbon emissions for a vehicle powered by the 2016 US grid is 30.82 metric tons... An average internal combustion engine vehicle (25.4 miles per gallon) is responsible for 68.38 metric tons of carbon dioxide over its lifetime"

which is almost exactly consistent with the back of the envelope calculation which says an ICE car produces about twice as much CO2 as an EV if you amortize manufacturing costs. and it's a whizzy infographic that doesn't cost $5 too.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:13 (nine months ago) link

Is buying a new electric car every few years better for the environment than maintaining an old car? I may have a bias as my car was built in 1973.

― Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Tuesday, March 30, 2021 8:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

old cars - basically anything pre-90s iirc - are significantly worse for the environment in terms of emissions than regular ICE cars

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:16 (nine months ago) link

No doubt. I barely ever drive anyway so I guess it's a moot point.

Actually I'm not even sure why I felt the need to reply to this thread, but hey, ILX right?

Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Sunday, 4 April 2021 05:52 (nine months ago) link


Canon in Deez (silby), Sunday, 4 April 2021 05:53 (nine months ago) link

fixed it

fixed it pic.twitter.com/BgoNs0sosb

— br◎seph (@on3ness) December 14, 2021

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 17:06 (one month ago) link

dont think were going back to physical dials and gauges, but i see no reason to not have normal door handles

Oh but won't someone please think of the dystopian science fiction filmmakers?

Because surely there will be a scene where someone desperately needs to enter and start their car, but their fingertips have been sliced off, so they can't get in using fingerprint recognition, so they're like helplessly stuck outside their perfectly functional car

Jeremy Ironist (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 17:19 (one month ago) link

real live version standing in rainy parking lot charging your dead phone on the outlet in the bumper of your car so you can get into your car

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 17:23 (one month ago) link


Jeremy Ironist (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 17:27 (one month ago) link

Micro Box reminds me of the Johnny Cab.

ma dmac's fury road (PBKR), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 17:34 (one month ago) link

fixed it

Oh, you'd have to be a Daddy Warbucks to afford that thing!

pplains, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 18:08 (one month ago) link

Toyota grimly joins the subscription service crowd. Credit card declined for your car key sub? No car for you


Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 22:33 (one month ago) link

keys didn't need to be reinvented

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 23:19 (one month ago) link

that shit is so foul

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 00:08 (one month ago) link

Everyone is doing it too.


General Motors told investors this month that subscription services could bring in an additional $20 billion to $25 billion annually by 2030. The company says 4.2 million customers already pay for its OnStar security services, which include an app that costs $15 a month. Electric vehicle startup Rivian said in recent financial filings that it could bring in an additional $15,500 over the life of each car with software-enabled services, including an autonomous driving feature and subscriptions for infotainment, internet connectivity, and diagnostics. BMW last summer created buzz—and consternation—with plans to charge, through subscription fees, for features like heated seats. In the US, the automaker offers subscriptions for an onboard dash cam and a remote car starter.

Over the past few years, automotive companies have laid out plans to transform from “being an industry that sells products to an industry that sells services and products,” says Brian Irwin, who heads the automotive and mobility practice at the consultancy Accenture. Today’s vehicles come with multiple computer chips, cameras, and sensors—and thus, the tantalizing opportunity to use detailed data to both create and sell new products.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 00:25 (one month ago) link

hate it!

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 00:27 (one month ago) link

OnStar? Don't need it.
Autonomous driving feature? Cruise control's about all I'd need.
Infotainment? Internet? I've got this phone here that I already pay a monthly fee for.


Seriously. I bought a 25-year-old car a couple of years ago with heated seats. They're about the only thing that works on that car. And had they somehow been for subscribers only back in 1995, I'm sure they would've been bricked by now.

pplains, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 03:56 (one month ago) link

im gonna start charging the car companies a subscription to me paying their asses

class project pat (m bison), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 03:59 (one month ago) link

a guy from stellantis was saying the other day that amazon “started as an online bookstore” and that’s how they see themselves, at the first step of a journey that will take them from mere car makers to global colossuses of “mobility services” that follow you wherever you are. i just don’t see it. they can’t even make software for their own cars that people want to use.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 09:25 (one month ago) link

pplains, thought you were dissing heated seats for a second and was going to throw down.

ma dmac's fury road (PBKR), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 12:30 (one month ago) link

from mere car makers to global colossuses of “mobility services” that follow you wherever you are.

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, December 15, 2021 4:25 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah this is how people justify teslas stock price too + theyre going to dominate the new reality of putting a battery in everything

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 13:57 (one month ago) link

whats funny is tesla hasnt besides bailing out musks shitty solar company shown any indication towards moving beyond personal cars, most companies seriously working on level 5 self driving are looking at a robo taxi model because the technology is too expensive for a personal vehicle, but tesla just used a cheaper approach that does not work because theyre committed to personal vehicles

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 14:34 (one month ago) link

and then they still charge you $10k for it lol, good work if you can get it

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 14:36 (one month ago) link

Would never diss heated seats.

When I say they're about the only things that work in the car, I'm also including the heating system, so yeah, they do come in handy.

pplains, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 14:55 (one month ago) link

Would never diss heated seats.

When I say they're about the only things that work in the car, I'm also including the heating system, so yeah, they do come in handy.

pplains, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 14:55 (one month ago) link

That IS the heating system buddy

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 15:26 (one month ago) link

You're more right than you might think. My vents are blocked, but the defroster kinda still works.

pplains, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 15:39 (one month ago) link

wonder if people will start hacking their way around those subscription services, theyre already in the computers tuning engines and whatnot

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 16:22 (one month ago) link

jailbreaking your own car. cool future.

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 16:41 (one month ago) link

farmers do exactly that with their tractors https://www.vice.com/en/article/xykkkd/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 17:14 (one month ago) link

I’ve been saying for a while now that I fully expect a future with region locked vehicles. I didn’t think of the subscription models tho, jeez.

Kim, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 18:10 (one month ago) link

chill out concept


lag∞n, Friday, 17 December 2021 13:56 (one month ago) link

I want to be a forward-looking denizen of the present but that article made me realize how deep in my bones I want an electric restomod of the ‘87 Camry I had in high school

it had rubber bumpers!

nicole, Friday, 17 December 2021 15:42 (one month ago) link


oof. guess i'm getting a hybrid f150 then

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 17 December 2021 17:57 (one month ago) link

one interesting thing in that toyota electric lineup reveal was they said that lexus will be all electric in usa by 2030 but did not say the same for toyota which leads me to believe that they think electric cars will be expensive for a while, tho obvs there are other concerns like access to charging

lag∞n, Friday, 17 December 2021 21:44 (one month ago) link

you should sell the aston martin on bringatrailer

I was already making plans to list it on BAT, but once I realized just how much bureaucracy and weird buyer/seller culture I'd be stepping into I decided to work with an agent. He's a top 5 BAT seller and has all the crew and resources to market the shit out of it to anyone that's cash rich and has a 007 complex. He takes a fee of course, but I'm confidently betting that will be balanced by whatever value an agent can extract from it.

More importantly, working with an agent leapfrogs me over the two-month glut of cars that are on BAT right now. Too many people are unloading vintage/collectable cars right now, so BAT is scheduling things out as best they can because sellers were complaining that too much competition was eating away at value. Compounding that, at least six to seven large auto collections are hitting the market over the next six months because (paraphrasing) "the old man died of covid and the kids don't want his cars" but big-time car collectors and the cartel that surround them are all attuned to this and attempting to collectively deal with the flood. idgaf, I don't want to be the one waiting on other Vantages to pass through BAT, I wanna make someone else wait before the whole internal combustion economy crashes down.

In good news, I have a build date on my MM-E GT! Feb 7, 2022

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 23 December 2021 06:58 (four weeks ago) link

what a world

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 December 2021 15:35 (four weeks ago) link

that's awesome man hope you sell it for a good price... post it here when it goes up haha

, Friday, 24 December 2021 00:57 (three weeks ago) link

I think EV cars are the trend of the present and the future. I'm driving a Ram 1500 for work. I will buy an EV in about 2 to 3 years. But I still wonder, can EVs be used to tow?

Andrew007, Tuesday, 28 December 2021 03:44 (three weeks ago) link


class project pat (m bison), Tuesday, 28 December 2021 03:46 (three weeks ago) link

There's a few demo videos out there of F-150 Lightnings and Rivians towing things. Undoubtedly, we'll see a lot more of them as they get out there.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 28 December 2021 04:56 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

that's awesome man hope you sell it for a good price... post it here when it goes up haha

Buy my car

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 21:35 (one week ago) link

Drool. That blue on tan interior is really sharp.

Bullet Boys 2022 Complete "Freakshow" album live! (PBKR), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 21:40 (one week ago) link

hell yeah! glws

, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 21:55 (one week ago) link

I love the blue, but the tan dashboard casts a nasty reflection on the inside of the windshield. Lots of glare if you're coming down Angeles Crest Highway in the late afternoon.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 21:58 (one week ago) link

O how I wouldn't be able to stand the California sun casting its brilliance across the dashboard of my Aston Martin as I cruised down Angeles Crest Highway in the late afternoon. The very thought sickens me!

pplains, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:55 (one week ago) link

How do you only do 1k miles a year, mind blown

pandmac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:00 (one week ago) link

It sat in a garage undriven for over five years because my mom was too ill to drive.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:31 (one week ago) link

my car has that many miles but way more cheerios

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:37 (one week ago) link

(It is a sweet car, E.T.)

pplains, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:52 (one week ago) link

extremely sick ride et

lag∞n, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:59 (one week ago) link

this guy says you've timed it perfectly too fwiw

You heard it here first:

Demand at used car auctions has started slowing down.

This will be in the news in 30-60 days.

— CarDealershipGuy (@GuyDealership) January 12, 2022

*Hot take!

I attended the largest used car auction in the world today:

Manheim Pennsylvania.

Here’s what’s happening on the ground floor:


— CarDealershipGuy (@GuyDealership) January 15, 2022

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 15 January 2022 06:42 (five days ago) link

Manheim may be the largest wholesale auction (cars largely taken from dealership trade-ins) in quantity, but by dollar value, Bring A Trailer is utterly crushing all the other auctions including Pebble Beach, Amelia Island, Scottsdale, & Mecum.

I wonder how much Turo has been eating into the rental market since covid turned it all into a clusterfuck?

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 15 January 2022 21:44 (five days ago) link

feel like only a matter of time before BaT changes to a percentage of the purchase price business model vs. what they currently have, which i believe is a flat rate?

, Saturday, 15 January 2022 22:38 (five days ago) link

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