why don’t you drive an EV?

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After a great deal of sturm und drang (we hadn’t had a car for over a decade prior), my family leased a Bolt EV in late 2018. With the exception of having massive transmission / transaxle issues about a year in (all taken care of under warranty) it’s been great. Well, we also have to make sure to get the right street parking spot in order to charge it at home, but that’s only been a problem once.

Who else drives electric? If not, why not, or how soon do you anticipate you will be able to switch?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:28 (three years ago) link

at the time of our last car purchase (v much due to situation out of my control) we couldn't afford an EV and there weren't chargers in my building. Now it's two years later, EVs are cheaper, and there are chargers, but I'm stuck w the car we got >:(

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link

but I will switch at the first opportunity

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:36 (three years ago) link

Last summer I bought a RAV-4 hybrid. It’s the bees knees. I wanted an EV, but I’m a renter with a difficult landlord who wouldn’t let me consider plugging in. Still, I get ~40 mpg, which ain’t nothin.

rb (soda), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:38 (three years ago) link

“ass hat landlord” was not a rationale I had considered before.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:40 (three years ago) link

The weirdest thing btw is the sloshing sound that the battery pack makes shortly after I plug it in. I assume it has something to do with the thermoregulation of the battery cells. Or perhaps the whole thing is like the mop in fantasia.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:46 (three years ago) link

I don't own a car, but if I did, I would buy electric. The only thing that would make me think twice is remembering a friend's experience during the California wildfires last year. The Tesla was pretty much useless for getting them out of an evacuation zone due to power outages: they ended up leaving it behind. Vicious cycle, yeah.

lukas, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:54 (three years ago) link

i would like an EV or hybrid, but my main use for a car these days (besides a v short commute to work that can also be done by bike but not by public transportation) is stuff like camping/covering long distances in the fifth largest state in america aka not conducive to EV at least until there's a an e-truck with good mileage and ground clearance (aka the rivian, which i cannot afford)

ideally i'd take one of these fellas to work: https://www.urbanarrow.com/en/shorty

and have a not-often used truck for trips outta town

gbx, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:54 (three years ago) link

I've got a hybrid Fusion, supposedly gets 42 city/40 highway but the average MPG is more like 35, which is pathetic for a hybrid. though maybe the cold has something to do with that.

will probably be getting a full EV as my next car, whenever that happens

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:56 (three years ago) link

The NHTSA mandates that reversing an EV or hybrid produce a certain amount of noise at certain frequencies to alert pedestrians that there’s an otherwise silent car in motion. For this reason, whenever I back out of my parking spot, some MIDI noisemaker under my hood produces a shriek that sounds like an army of mosquitos.

rb (soda), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 22:59 (three years ago) link

Supposedly the best thing for EVs in really cold weather is to have them plugged in all the time.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:00 (three years ago) link

I was stlil under the impression new non-luxury cars are like ~$15k. I am very wrong.

Yerac, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:04 (three years ago) link

I don't drive an EV because I don't own a car and the car share doesn't do EVs yet. I'm busy building a charging network and trying to covert uber drivers to electric right now.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:06 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

specific user such as imago

silby, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:39 (three years ago) link

is ~40mpg considered.....good.... in the states

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:48 (three years ago) link

Miles are like twice as long as kilometers. Think of it that way.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:28 (three years ago) link

here is a picture of the most popular car in america


lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:28 (three years ago) link

^^ also twice as long as a kilometer.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:30 (three years ago) link

Coming down a two-lane one-way the other day, one of those trucks tried to get past me, but had to slow down because a Hummer was parked in a space next to his lane. Good times.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:32 (three years ago) link

da big boys

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:33 (three years ago) link

Gas drops below $1.50 and everyone gets frisky.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:36 (three years ago) link

lotta litres in a gallon

maffew12, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:39 (three years ago) link

ballpark 100 liters per

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:40 (three years ago) link

I’m still impressed that they doubled the number of doors on pickup trucks at some point and I barely noticed.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:47 (three years ago) link

We got a Nissan Leaf last January and we’re very pleased with it. It was a scary step but there has been no downside so far. We still have a minivan for longer trips or hauling stuff.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:49 (three years ago) link

You know who drives the Tesla on our block? The Pentecostals.

I know, right? Like you didn't think they could be even bigger assholes, but there you go.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:59 (three years ago) link

also this one i guess but i think we want to the cargo https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/05/another-competent-korean-car-the-kia-niro-ev-reviewed/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 May 2020 03:29 (three years ago) link

If the Kia EVs were available in the dc area we probably would’ve gotten one of those instead.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 May 2020 03:30 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

Meanwhile Ford has apparently been hard at work building an unlistenable banshee that only runs for 45 minutes on a single charge


Yay for crazy R&D though

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 24 July 2020 19:01 (three years ago) link


we have to change cars next november (lease runs out). this was top of my list. looks like it's not going to be an option :(

was really hoping a 3 year lease was going to get us to a world where there were more options for family sized evs.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 31 July 2020 05:08 (three years ago) link

The good news is it’s not like you can go anywhere

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 05:22 (three years ago) link

I’ve been driving Hyundai ioniqs around recently. That’s a nice mid-size family car. Enough room in the rear seats and a good sized hatchback boot. Slightly lacklustre DC Fast charging performance is compensated for being a really efficient car. (More km/kWh)

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Friday, 31 July 2020 07:42 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

Supposedly the best thing for EVs in really cold weather is to have them plugged in all the time.

(Roy Scheider voice) you're gonna need a longer extension cord

fretless porpentine (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:19 (three years ago) link

why don’t you drive an EV?

Because we have a rock-solid old Subaru that seems destined to make it to the age of 30, but if it dies eventually, I'm thinking we'll go EV.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:39 (three years ago) link

BTW we recently learned that the Chevy Bolt is apparently designed such that the box for a 55” flatscreen TV fits PERFECTLY in the back with the seats folded down. Like somebody had to have made a CAD volume with just those measurements and made sure it would fit.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 October 2020 00:09 (three years ago) link

two months pass...


𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 21 January 2021 20:00 (two years ago) link

i'm actually considering getting rid of my car, as i am fully remote now

at least the pandemic has brought on a few good things

Punster McPunisher, Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:45 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

*looks at calendar* uh premature 4/1 still seems more likely.

Canon in Deez (silby), Monday, 29 March 2021 19:51 (two years ago) link

haha apparenty nope

We know, 66 is an unusual age to change your name, but we’ve always been young at heart. Introducing Voltswagen. Similar to Volkswagen, but with a renewed focus on electric driving. Starting with our all-new, all-electric SUV the ID.4 - available today. #Voltswagen #ID4 pic.twitter.com/pKQKlZDCQ7

— Voltswagen (@VW) March 30, 2021

lot of americans taking the opportunity to get priggish about VW's history while the most prominent car company in the US *right now* is run by a space fascist eugenicist.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 18:58 (two years ago) link

would definitely drive an EV voltswagen microbus while wearing my patagonia baggies, grateful dead shirt, and merrell hydro mocs, for peak west coast awfulness, but it will cost around my annual salary so unfortunately it will only be a terrible dream

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 19:09 (two years ago) link

well apparently it *was* an april fools joke but now everyone is talking about their involvement with the National Socialist German Workers' Party so good job i guess?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 21:14 (two years ago) link

Is buying a new electric car every few years better for the environment than maintaining an old car? I may have a bias as my car was built in 1973.

Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 03:44 (two years ago) link

making an EV is marginally worse for the environment than making a regular car and much worse than making no car.


making and then driving an EV is probably better than a clunker after a few years, but it's going to depend on how much you drive, etc.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 04:49 (two years ago) link

I’m not buying a non peer reviewed study with that disclaimer attached.

Try this one that uses the Argonne GREET lifecycle emissions model.


No car is definitely better but if you have to use a car it’s considerable better to use an EV

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 11:54 (two years ago) link

the disclaimer is pretty clear that it's back of the envelope, and nothing more than back of the envelope can be said in response to a vague question about whether to replace an existing ICE car.

but fwiw the abstract of that paper says:

"The lifecycle EV carbon emissions for a vehicle powered by the 2016 US grid is 30.82 metric tons... An average internal combustion engine vehicle (25.4 miles per gallon) is responsible for 68.38 metric tons of carbon dioxide over its lifetime"

which is almost exactly consistent with the back of the envelope calculation which says an ICE car produces about twice as much CO2 as an EV if you amortize manufacturing costs. and it's a whizzy infographic that doesn't cost $5 too.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:13 (two years ago) link

Is buying a new electric car every few years better for the environment than maintaining an old car? I may have a bias as my car was built in 1973.

― Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Tuesday, March 30, 2021 8:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

old cars - basically anything pre-90s iirc - are significantly worse for the environment in terms of emissions than regular ICE cars

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:16 (two years ago) link

No doubt. I barely ever drive anyway so I guess it's a moot point.

Actually I'm not even sure why I felt the need to reply to this thread, but hey, ILX right?

Peter Greenaway's Fleetwood Mac (S-), Sunday, 4 April 2021 05:52 (two years ago) link


Canon in Deez (silby), Sunday, 4 April 2021 05:53 (two years ago) link

tho obvs thatll grow as people get more comfortable with evs and new tech comes online and ultimately new regs force people to buy evs

lag∞n, Monday, 9 October 2023 15:52 (one month ago) link

who knows how tesla will hold up tho, they dont seem to be doing good with keeping their fleet up to date, seemingly been putting most of their energy towards increasing manufacturing capacity, and now looking oversupplied

lag∞n, Monday, 9 October 2023 15:55 (one month ago) link

Deliveries of the updated and higher-priced Model 3 compact sedan are expected to start in the fourth quarter, while a Cybertruck launch event is also planned later this year.

oh a cybertruck launch event ok

lag∞n, Monday, 9 October 2023 15:57 (one month ago) link

cybertruck will definitely reverse this trend

, Monday, 9 October 2023 16:26 (one month ago) link

i still dont understand how the cybertruck is supposed to meet auto safety standards, all those sharp corners, do they crumple etc

lag∞n, Monday, 9 October 2023 16:31 (one month ago) link

safety standards are a symptom of the woke mind virus, wake up sheeple

come on barbo let’s go parpo (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 9 October 2023 16:34 (one month ago) link

the word “planned” possibly an overstatement

Tracer Hand, Monday, 9 October 2023 16:35 (one month ago) link

anyone walking in front of one of those is gonna end up planed

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 9 October 2023 16:37 (one month ago) link

safety standards long since stopped being about peds, they are about protecting car occupants from other cars

, Monday, 9 October 2023 17:26 (one month ago) link

people luuuv the fake gearshifts


Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 21:39 (one month ago) link

my gas car has fake gear shifts, it has a cvt that is programmed to pretend to shift periodically, very silly

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 21:56 (one month ago) link

lol what

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 21:59 (one month ago) link

im sorry you had to find out about this

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 21:59 (one month ago) link


out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 22:00 (one month ago) link

even more ridiculous, it has paddle shifters, on a subaru outback, with a cvt, lmao

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 22:01 (one month ago) link

TS: fake shifting vs. fake interior engine noise

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 22:04 (one month ago) link


pplains, Thursday, 12 October 2023 15:13 (one month ago) link

Can I have a new iMac that plays the whole dial-up modem sequence whenever I log on, thank yo.

pplains, Thursday, 12 October 2023 15:13 (one month ago) link

what about a car with a dual clutch thats too good it shifts so quickly and accurately that you barely notice its happening so the manufacturer programs it to shift more dramatically the levels of which you can control through the cars infotainment system, just an idea i had not sure if it exists probably does tho

lag∞n, Thursday, 12 October 2023 15:19 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

i’ve never wanted any form of self driving but there may not be much of a choice soon.


Tracer Hand, Sunday, 29 October 2023 16:28 (four weeks ago) link

How a robotaxi crash got Cruise’s self-driving cars pulled from Californian roads


Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 October 2023 23:54 (four weeks ago) link

im not against self driving as an idea, it could make the roads safer and prob some self driving ish features already have, but! these car companies are straight up beta testing this shit on us

lag∞n, Monday, 30 October 2023 00:14 (four weeks ago) link

I can't even handle being in my friend's Tesla when it treats a bus lane like the edge of a cliff

kinder, Monday, 30 October 2023 16:24 (four weeks ago) link


this is apparently a real thing

koogs, Thursday, 9 November 2023 12:28 (two weeks ago) link

I’ve seen one! Not technically a car but they’re pretty popular in France. No speakers or radio in them at all

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 November 2023 13:05 (two weeks ago) link

doors open in opposite directions. in fact, apart from the spoiler on the back of the roof it looks rotationally symmetrical (cuts down on costs having to make only one type of door...)

koogs, Thursday, 9 November 2023 13:15 (two weeks ago) link

lol thats insane

lag∞n, Thursday, 9 November 2023 13:17 (two weeks ago) link

citroen giving it a good go with their cheap models. here’s a real car, for around £25k


there are going to be vauxhall and opel models based on the e c-3 as well

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 November 2023 13:44 (two weeks ago) link

Guess the EU doesn't have regs against suicide doors?

deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 9 November 2023 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

looks p sweet

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 November 2023 15:25 (two weeks ago) link

complaining about not being able to get a small pickup has really swept the nation, i support it but its kind of a left field mania, and tbf im more of a complaining about not being able to get wagons guy but still solidarity with the small truck guys

fwiw it does seem like the maverick is proof of concept not only for small pickups but for more utilitarian pickups, tho tbf you can get a utilitarian full size one have you ever seen a base model f150 a classic fleet vehilce oof that is one shitty car, lots of talk that there will be competitors to the maverick soon, hyundai santa cruz could be considered such tho it doesnt really have the utilitarian aspect

lag∞n, Thursday, 9 November 2023 16:21 (two weeks ago) link


Not entirely unrelated, one of our best friends just replaced their family car with an EV (Kia), and even though they like the car, they've had to deal with a few headaches already. For example, it turns out the casing for the power line that was running from their house to the garage was inexplicably aluminum and corroded, so they had to get a new dedicated power line to the garage in order to adequately charge the car ($$$). Second, with the holidays coming up and family in St. Louis, they have to plan for their first EV road trip, and it's proving more challenging than they expected, especially with temps (and range) dropping. I'm curious what they decide, but I do know they pretty quickly went from being a two ICE family to a family that wanted to have two EVs to a family that wouldn't be comfortable without an ICE to supplement the EV.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 13:56 (two weeks ago) link

I drive an EV now, I thought I'd drive both our new EV and our old ICE but the ICE basically just sits there most of the time, long roadtrips in the Midwest have been no challenge at all, to my surprise. The one thing I'd say is that I don't think we're saving money -- the increase in our electric bill is certainly more than we were spending on gas. But if the goal were to save money I wouldn't have bought an expensive new car!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 14:55 (two weeks ago) link

isnt the fuel cost supposed to be fractional, wonder if you have some sort of leak

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 16:45 (two weeks ago) link

an electricity leak??

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 17:11 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, not like a puddle of electricity under your car but some sort of malfunction

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 17:15 (two weeks ago) link

Feel like I'd have noticed if it was just gradually losing charge without being driven

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 17:16 (two weeks ago) link

could be in the charger

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 17:17 (two weeks ago) link

Oh, like the charger could be drawing electricity all the time even when it's not charging the car? Hmm, interesting. I have no idea how I'd check for that.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 17:25 (two weeks ago) link

For what it's worth, my friend with the Kia otherwise loves the car and doesn't think about the ICE car at all. He's just a little anxious about this trip to St. Louis, which based on his typical route apparently isn't necessarily amenable to charging. Maybe?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 17:27 (two weeks ago) link

google with reddit at the end of the search lol, seems like the first step would be to try to figure out if youre actually spending too much on electricity xp

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 17:28 (two weeks ago) link

bro thinks electricity is a liquid

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 18:14 (two weeks ago) link

facts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_theory_of_electricity

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 18:22 (two weeks ago) link

had to drive my mom's Leaf to pennsylvania a couple weeks ago, the charger situation for long drives is really bad still probably even worse than a couple years ago, lots of the ones i used before are broken now and theres more EVs on the road. like they put one in at every rest area on the mass pike a couple years ago and now there are none on the mass pike, they all broke

ciderpress, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 19:28 (two weeks ago) link

feels right for the pike, get some jimmy johns, fail to charge your car

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 19:30 (two weeks ago) link

will it be better now that everybody's adopted the tesla standard?

, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 19:34 (two weeks ago) link

Puddle of Electricity was my favorite 90s jam band

don't let days go by, Listerine (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 21:34 (two weeks ago) link

£17k Renault Twingo


China got these guys shook

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2023 18:22 (one week ago) link

The excuse I heard re: chargers is that a lot of places got grants to install chargers years ago, but those grants didn't cover repairs, and as they've broken or failed they've just kind of sat there, useless.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 November 2023 18:31 (one week ago) link

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