why don’t you drive an EV?

yeah agreed too expensive and people arent quite psychologically ready

tho tbf some concerns re charging range buying new tech are imo legit not just psychological

im getting a phev in 2024 im fine with ev at this stage but herself is not yet convinced that the road network west is where it needs to be to cover us for 6-8 trips a year

95% of our day to day will be covered by electric range of the new machine anyway is how i make my peace with it

as a teacher, 95% is a v good score

thats an A baby

i wonder how much falling gas prices has affected this. iirc prius sales were rly good ca. 2012-14 when gas prices were at a relative high, then dipped as other hybrids hit the market and gas prices lowered for a few years. gas hit a pandemic peak over a year ago when all these new evs were being promoted, but if gas prices dont stay high theres less of an economic pull to go full ev.

yeah that's a good point. gas prices in the US are insanely low by global standards.

gas is high right now tho

just filled up my tank and it was approximately one million dollars

its tue they are high, but they were very high a year ago and u know what else is high? ev prices, boom.

the prices are too damn high

Imagine what gasoline would be like if everybody had a gas station at home where they filled up slowly every night for $1.00/gallon. How often would they stop at an ordinary station charging $3.00/gallon?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2021/01/25/can-electric-car-charging-be-a-business/

I dunno, I think the ground game has changed in the two and a half years since that article was written. (he doesn't mention or foresees the near universal conversion on NACS charging)

There was a good in depth Washington Post article a week or so ago that did a state by state and trip by trip analysis of gas versus electric. Some places gas was the clear loser, other places it was closer than one might think.

Also, a good point brought up in that video iirc was that PHEVs were a good fit more most, and a good compromise for this transitional phase, but the all-in emphasis on making more EVs means there are far fewer PHEVs readily available.

theres a ton of hybrids out now but not enough of them plug in, seems like regular hybrid is becoming just the way to make a gas engine more efficient

where as a plug in hybrid is more like an ev with a gas backup

performance cars are doing all sorts of perfomancy things with hybrids too, the instant torque is pretty nice

very silly

Wow I did not realize that leased EVs got tax credits regardless of import content/assembly location and thus leasing EVs has exploded. https://t.co/Ic0J7uBQTp

— Nathan Tankus (@NathanTankus) August 15, 2023

Does this maybe undercut aforementioned dweeboid's 'Americans aren't buying EVs' thesis

i dont think so cause he was just looking average time sitting on car lots per vehicle so it doesnt matter if its a sale or a lease just as long as the car drives away

I'm always wary of "time sitting on car lots" counts when the #1 EV seller in the US uses direct sales without traditional dealerships. I haven't seen an exact breakdown, but anecdotally it seems EV buyers are going to a dealership to test drive one first and then custom ordering via the internet rather than paying an outrageous markup on dealership inventory.

yeah tesla not being part of the stats does make them less thorough and ordering your very own car has def become a bigger thing but the fact remains theres a lot of evs sitting around waiting for buyers

lot of price cuts too, telsa leading the pack, used ev prices dropping like crazy, if i were in the market i might consider looking at a used polestar look at this 2001 model 2 with 15k miles for $32k, that car starts at $50k new https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/LPSED3KA4ML022288

Here's an EV from GM for £13K

https://www.just-auto.com/news/general-motors-jv-launches-baojun-cloud-ev/

only available in China unfortch

also possibly the ugliest car i've ever seen

aw its not that bad just a lil guy

meep meep

need to raise the hood up and make the front flat and give it a headlight config that looks like angry eyes, obv

vw id3 costs half as much in china as america, prob not exactly the same car but still

took me a while to realise that the thing that looks odd about electric cars is the lack of a front grill - don't need a radiator so don't need a grill. but designers haven't fully embraced this yet so they are still the same general shape.

Yeah, that took me a second too.

Tesla in front of us the other day just tooooookk ooffffffff down the freeway. I also always forget, oh yeah, they can do that.

re our discussion of ev sedans and the ioniq 5 i guess the ioniq 6 is basically the same car except its a sedan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYGqkbUnqLk

pretty bad infotainment sitch goin on there

doug is a screen connoisseur tbf

https://heatmap.news/electric-vehicles/volkswagen-id-gti-electric

Wild stat from that report— there are now nearly 300 million electric motorcycles/scooters/2-3 wheelers on the road worldwide and they are displacing four times as much oil demand as all the electric cars in the world so far. https://t.co/3Ox0K6w7rQ

— brad plumer (@bradplumer) September 10, 2023

thats what im talkin about

replace cars trips with ebike rides

reminds me of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_path

i’ve seen it claimed the opposite (that less than 4 wheeled electric vehicles displace walking and public transit, not gas car rides) but i am biased and will take it

imagine if we had infrastructure for these small e vehicles like we do for cars

Now if we could make generic/open-source e-bike designs, parts, etc to drive the prices down...

i noticed the local police motorbikes are now electric - one went past me yesterday and all i could hear was the chain drive, no motor noise.

My son's school bus is now electric. So much for 11 years of knowing when the bus is coming by sound.

Spotted! In the wild! pic.twitter.com/X1aVeRFDPR

— Streetsblog New York (@StreetsblogNYC) May 25, 2023

https://www.inverse.com/input/tech/ups-testing-electric-cargo-bikes-sustainable-nyc

lol thats a funny lil car

savage geese go wild for lucid, first car guy ev

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emkj_fOBovY

car guys have been worried about evs are they just not fun a bunch of effectively identical appliances, maybe you just needed some car guys to make one

tesla cut prices again + blamed missing Q3 delivery estimates because of 'factory downtime' for upgrades

i dunno sounds like to me people aren't buying teslas

https://www.engadget.com/tesla-cuts-prices-on-model-3-and-y-after-dwindling-deliveries-200844132.html
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-reports-fall-third-quarter-deliveries-misses-estimates-2023-10-02/

feel like the usa might be maxing out its current ev market

tho obvs thatll grow as people get more comfortable with evs and new tech comes online and ultimately new regs force people to buy evs