why don’t you drive an EV?

talking about ford making cars again cause the opportunity is there with evs globally is nice

explicitly talking about how they're going to be able to retain people that they'd otherwise have to lay off because EVs only require 60% of the labour of an ICE vehicle pretty wild too

yeah good for him credit where its due

just watched this youtube about zipper monopoly ykk and they do absolutely everything in house, mix up the brass make the fabric, which goes against conventional wisdom but obvs its worked for them, the rationale given by their founder is its easier for them to innovate when they control the whole supply chain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d6eNmtHFQk

they're not a single company they're a group of companies right? might be easier to do that if each member of the group specializes in one of the components of the supply chain heh

i think in the video it says that they have all the manufacturing metal textile machining etc on site at each factory in ~70 countries, partially as a strategy to avoid tariffs

"you don't want to fire an airbag off from the cloud" lol, i would enjoy talking to this guy

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/

What Ponsin didn’t know was that Tesla employees had been instructed to thwart any customers complaining about poor driving range from bringing their vehicles in for service. Last summer, the company quietly created a “Diversion Team” in Las Vegas to cancel as many range-related appointments as possible.

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Inside the Nevada team’s office, some employees celebrated canceling service appointments by putting their phones on mute and striking a metal xylophone, triggering applause from coworkers who sometimes stood on desks. The team often closed hundreds of cases a week and staffers were tracked on their average number of diverted appointments per day.

jesus thats some boiler room type shit

I don't think we've shared this one (from last year). I was going to post in the sedan thread but wanted to keep it topi.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2022/03/30/its-not-where-charge-an-ev-its-what-you-do-while-charging/

I forgot to revive I am at an EV charging station when I saw two Tesla bros get into a fight at a charging station!

One was blocking the other and stupidity ensued. It's always the Tesla bros

americans dont want evs, yet at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPU0dA9jNv0

hybrids are selling tho, lot of people prob just think the whole ev situation isnt quite there yet, which is understandable

is there a way i can imbibe what this guy has to say without having to listen to his voice? theoretically

lol yeah hes a goober but he does know some things

basically he says evs are sitting on car lots way longer than gas cars right now even tho prices have been dropping and the used ev market is absolutely cratering, however its impossible to get a new prius, in fact the guy is still waiting on his to be delivered, teslas not included in these calculations since theres no easy way to look at their inventory but their big price drops are prob driving a lot of this

The average price of an EV is still something like $50K I think is the main issue, plus America's conservative car culture, in both senses of the word

In Europe the used EV market is booming afaict. Also Tesla not as dominant. Feels like in the US it's like Tesla's somehow a known quantity, safe, and the other EVs are weirdos, will their chargers work, who knows etc. I was in DC a few weeks ago and it was crazy the number of Teslas I saw

yeah agreed too expensive and people arent quite psychologically ready

tho tbf some concerns re charging range buying new tech are imo legit not just psychological

im getting a phev in 2024 im fine with ev at this stage but herself is not yet convinced that the road network west is where it needs to be to cover us for 6-8 trips a year

95% of our day to day will be covered by electric range of the new machine anyway is how i make my peace with it

as a teacher, 95% is a v good score

thats an A baby

i wonder how much falling gas prices has affected this. iirc prius sales were rly good ca. 2012-14 when gas prices were at a relative high, then dipped as other hybrids hit the market and gas prices lowered for a few years. gas hit a pandemic peak over a year ago when all these new evs were being promoted, but if gas prices dont stay high theres less of an economic pull to go full ev.

yeah that's a good point. gas prices in the US are insanely low by global standards.

gas is high right now tho

just filled up my tank and it was approximately one million dollars

its tue they are high, but they were very high a year ago and u know what else is high? ev prices, boom.

the prices are too damn high

Imagine what gasoline would be like if everybody had a gas station at home where they filled up slowly every night for $1.00/gallon. How often would they stop at an ordinary station charging $3.00/gallon?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2021/01/25/can-electric-car-charging-be-a-business/

I dunno, I think the ground game has changed in the two and a half years since that article was written. (he doesn't mention or foresees the near universal conversion on NACS charging)

There was a good in depth Washington Post article a week or so ago that did a state by state and trip by trip analysis of gas versus electric. Some places gas was the clear loser, other places it was closer than one might think.

Also, a good point brought up in that video iirc was that PHEVs were a good fit more most, and a good compromise for this transitional phase, but the all-in emphasis on making more EVs means there are far fewer PHEVs readily available.

theres a ton of hybrids out now but not enough of them plug in, seems like regular hybrid is becoming just the way to make a gas engine more efficient

where as a plug in hybrid is more like an ev with a gas backup

performance cars are doing all sorts of perfomancy things with hybrids too, the instant torque is pretty nice

very silly

Wow I did not realize that leased EVs got tax credits regardless of import content/assembly location and thus leasing EVs has exploded. https://t.co/Ic0J7uBQTp

— Nathan Tankus (@NathanTankus) August 15, 2023

Does this maybe undercut aforementioned dweeboid's 'Americans aren't buying EVs' thesis

i dont think so cause he was just looking average time sitting on car lots per vehicle so it doesnt matter if its a sale or a lease just as long as the car drives away

I'm always wary of "time sitting on car lots" counts when the #1 EV seller in the US uses direct sales without traditional dealerships. I haven't seen an exact breakdown, but anecdotally it seems EV buyers are going to a dealership to test drive one first and then custom ordering via the internet rather than paying an outrageous markup on dealership inventory.

yeah tesla not being part of the stats does make them less thorough and ordering your very own car has def become a bigger thing but the fact remains theres a lot of evs sitting around waiting for buyers

lot of price cuts too, telsa leading the pack, used ev prices dropping like crazy, if i were in the market i might consider looking at a used polestar look at this 2001 model 2 with 15k miles for $32k, that car starts at $50k new https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/LPSED3KA4ML022288

Here's an EV from GM for £13K

https://www.just-auto.com/news/general-motors-jv-launches-baojun-cloud-ev/

only available in China unfortch

also possibly the ugliest car i've ever seen

aw its not that bad just a lil guy

meep meep

need to raise the hood up and make the front flat and give it a headlight config that looks like angry eyes, obv

vw id3 costs half as much in china as america, prob not exactly the same car but still

took me a while to realise that the thing that looks odd about electric cars is the lack of a front grill - don't need a radiator so don't need a grill. but designers haven't fully embraced this yet so they are still the same general shape.

Yeah, that took me a second too.

Tesla in front of us the other day just tooooookk ooffffffff down the freeway. I also always forget, oh yeah, they can do that.

re our discussion of ev sedans and the ioniq 5 i guess the ioniq 6 is basically the same car except its a sedan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYGqkbUnqLk

pretty bad infotainment sitch goin on there