should ilxors be tempbanned for taking their beefs to other social media? (twitter/fbook/myspace/etc)?

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this is not going away. here's a way to discuss this where we can actually be clear what the issue is.

*(i feel really uncomfortable abt putting this on ILE; if mods know a better board for this pls move. sorry.)

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no 45
yes 40


skeevy wonder (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:15 (six years ago) Permalink

absolutely not

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:16 (six years ago) Permalink

Oh, good. A place to finally say this:

darraghmac, say someone starts an argument in a pub, and one person chooses, instead of having a massive row in the pub and dragging everyone into it, to go home and complain about the argument in their own house, to the 2 or 3 people hanging about their kitchen.

If you then follow that person home, and hang around outside their house, eavesdropping on their conversations in the hopes that they will say to their housemate "oh god, I just had the worst argument in the pub, X is jerk" 1) do you get to complain about what you heard while eavesdropping at their kitchen window? 2) if you then run back to the pub to tell everyone "this is what Y said about me! isn't that TERRIBLE?" in order to start another huge row about it, does that make you more or less of a jerk than the person who chose to turn away and just go home?

Oh my god, it's terrible that I huffed "ugh, poster X is the worst" to 5 Cornish enthusiasts (and Four Tet) in my twitter feed! This is the seriously worst thing in the history of ILX, and this means I completely deserve the pile-ons where people discuss my mental health and compare me to a woman who created an entire false identity in order to con posters out of money.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:16 (six years ago) Permalink

ilxors should be banned for going to myspace.com

flopson, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:18 (six years ago) Permalink

If it means less ugly stuff on ILX proper I'd rather they did take it elsewhere. Not sure ILX should be modding what people do on Twitter as long as it stays there.

fish frosch (seandalai), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:18 (six years ago) Permalink

three-week ban for farting in lifts imo

set the controls for the arse of your mum (sic), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:18 (six years ago) Permalink

otm

fish frosch (seandalai), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:19 (six years ago) Permalink

i hear reddit's looking for traffic

a pass-agg to indier (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:19 (six years ago) Permalink

secrete beef subreddit

fish frosch (seandalai), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:20 (six years ago) Permalink

gee in what ways is twitter not like your personal kitchen in your personal house

some dude, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:23 (six years ago) Permalink

lmao

乒乓, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink

an unprotected twitter account isn't your kitchen, wcc, you can't make charges against someone there without fear of their being challenged. lol xpost

zvookster, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink

wcc otm

the oft-posited third fisherman (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink

yes

velko, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:26 (six years ago) Permalink

hi velko

乒乓, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:26 (six years ago) Permalink

feel like calling mordy out by twitter handle was nagl, if youre gonna take beef outside the walls dont use names is a good rule of thumb imho

--bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:27 (six years ago) Permalink

velkome

velko, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:27 (six years ago) Permalink

sending money to mordy right now

velko, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:28 (six years ago) Permalink

Talking generally here, I think it's kind of rude*. Not so much on Twitter, where things rapidly disappear, but certainly in a blog situation where the subject may not have right of reply, or be able to challenge the way they're being portrayed. Especially if that person wasn't being actively malicious in the first place. There's a lot to be said for keeping fights in one place.

Should they be banned? Probably not, unless the offboard posts are being actively threatening, libellous, contain their real world address or are creepy in some other way. The Twitter post that kicked this off wasn't exactly great form but doesn't really deserve a ban, or a clusterfuck of this magnitude.

*Obviously loads of people are kind of rude in hundreds of different ways every day on ILX.

Matt DC, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:30 (six years ago) Permalink

it's ocean avenue

some dude, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:31 (six years ago) Permalink

Just for the records, I didn't actually mention Mordy by name until *after* he started @-ing me on twitter, trying to bring the beef into my actual twitterstream, when I failed to respond to 3 days of clusterfucking on ILX.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:31 (six years ago) Permalink

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

the oft-posited third fisherman (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:33 (six years ago) Permalink

you could have just been the bigger man of course

charlie the luna (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:33 (six years ago) Permalink

could someone point me to the thread(s) that spawned this discussion so that I may be fully informed when I vote? thx

D'anesh (dan m), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:34 (six years ago) Permalink

Time was someone would've teed off on "trying to bring the beef into my actual twitterstream," now it's all beefs this and social media that.

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:35 (six years ago) Permalink

I have just looked through my tweetstream. My exact original tweet which tipped this off was complaining about "A Mansplainer". He took that and ran with it.

I took a weekend's break from ILX, came back and he was still running with it on ILX. When he brought it into my actual tweetstream, I decided I didn't have to put up with it any more.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:38 (six years ago) Permalink

no tweets amended or deleted?

the oft-posited third fisherman (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:41 (six years ago) Permalink

no, but yes to the reverse

ciderpress, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:42 (six years ago) Permalink

wcc, feel like u have a somewhat inflated sense of ilx clusterfucks concerning u, probably due to the sensible recourse of trying not to read them. pretty sure there were not three days of clusterfucks prior - mordy mentioned u were tweeting about him on the "button" thread and it wasn't really discussed until andrew farrell was needling him on some other thread a couple of days later iirc

zvookster, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:44 (six years ago) Permalink

so, ban mordy? i'm in

flopson, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:45 (six years ago) Permalink

^^^boom

beef richards (Mr. Que), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:50 (six years ago) Permalink

If I discovered that someone on ILX had taken a disagreement with me to another publicly-accessible online venue rather than a) hashing it out with me personally like a grounded adult or b) dropping it altogether (again, like a grounded adult), there's a good chance that I would be enraged beyond my ability to articulate. But that might just be me, as I'm one of the few that still values a modicum of firewalling between my varied online haunts (and the respective level of biographical info I choose to divulge on each).

Burgled Hams (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:50 (six years ago) Permalink

Ban nobody in this fucking instance

you can kill things and still like them, i don't know (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:52 (six years ago) Permalink

wcc its unfair of you to call out posters on twitter by tagging them then not allow them to respond and turn it back on them. You shouldn't have done that to me or any of the others.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:53 (six years ago) Permalink

oh and you had also done the same thing on the poll thread.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:54 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.pcrm.org/images/media/psa/sack_your_old_lunch.jpg

Just posted this on MySpace, come at me bro.

pplains, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:54 (six years ago) Permalink

ilx beef week

the late great, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:54 (six years ago) Permalink

of course wcc or anyone else shouldn't be banned, we're all grown-ups here. (in theory etc)

thomasintrouble, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:57 (six years ago) Permalink

if you tag someone while talking about them its hardly eavesdropping. You were abusing people publicly and you really expect them not to be angry at you doing that??

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:58 (six years ago) Permalink

whenever i bring negative attention on myself on ilx, i try to take a breath and remind myself that none of it would happen if i hadn't posted in a particular way, or especially if i hadn't posted at all, and that occasionally having people say mean things to/about me is the cost of doing business, especially if business is having somewhere to mouth off on a daily basis and occasionally risk hurting someone else's feelings. lotta bruised egos, very few serious wounds, it's like a playground where things can get a little rough but very rarely does anything really need to be done besides maybe sending someone home with a note.

some dude, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:58 (six years ago) Permalink

I deleted a bunch of tweets today because some asshole decided to link directly to them, and every time someone does that, I get a dozen weirdoes trying to follow me. But my Friday afternoon "argh, they've ruined my stupid Friday afternoon thread" tweets appear to be all there in stream of consciousness glory.

It's weird reading old tweets like that, though. I guess I can kind of see how stuff which is all "argh, whoa, I just ate a sandwich, argh, this is the worst!" stream of consciousness at the time reads differently if you're reading it removed in time and place, it seems a lot angrier or more emotional if you are reading these things as permanent records, rather than transient emotional states.

It serves a very different purpose than ILX does, and taking it out of context seems disingenuous.

Over the past year or so, since - and I discussed this on the sandbox last year - the emotions generated by an ILX clusterfuck actually drove me to seek psychological help (Not proud of it, not ashamed of it, not trying to ~manipulate~ anyone by bringing it up, just stating, this was a thing that happened. Sorry for being a human being who is affected by things.) I've tried to keep to a strict policy that if someone on an ILX thread starts getting personal towards me, I leave the thread, immediately. This sometimes feels really really unfair, especially if it's a thread that I've started - but it's for my own wellbeing. So it is what it is.

Sometimes I go to my "kitchen" and have a rant about how unfair it is. But that is what it is, a rant in mine own kitchen. If you come in my kitchen, you sometimes hear me ranting. And then I have a cup of tea and listen to Four Tet remixes and things are OK again. But to take that rant and post it to ILX like "this is the representation of WCC and what she is like all the time, as an ILX poster" - that's way more of a dick move IMO than having a rant in one's kitchen.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:59 (six years ago) Permalink

having a rant in one's public kitchen with how many followers? In which you say 'here is a representation of x and what they are like all the time as an ilx poster'

the oft-posited third fisherman (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:02 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.livejournal.com/

乒乓, Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:02 (six years ago) Permalink

but its not in your own kitchen when you tag that person and they and all of your followers can see you having a go at them. Cant you see why that upsets people?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:03 (six years ago) Permalink

I think it's probably pretty good to leave a thread if it's upsetting and have a rant about it in the kitchen or on fb or in a blog post or whatever you feel. However, Twitter is a public social media service and whether the point is to tell people and get some feedback or you just want to yell into a void that people will see, you're tweeting something people can read and can respond to. Not going to get into who is a bigger dick because honestly I don't care, but it's not the same as someone stalking you back to your home irl and listening in on your kitchen rants.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Sorry for being a human being who is affected by things.

apology accepted

frogbs, Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:05 (six years ago) Permalink

AG, I did not tag Mordy until AFTER he had started going at me on my twitter. I don't mean to be "he started it" but until that point, I had not used his name.

And for the record, AG, I blocked *you* from twitter because you would not stop posting at me. Multiple times in a row, multiple times a day, to the point where my tweet stream was nothing but you going on about a poll I had already told you (several times) that I did not want to participate in.

Asking someone multiple times, after they have already said no, is not likely to make them participate. It is likely to piss them off, and not want to interact with you at all.

I don't dislike you, AG, I think most of the time you're a quite reasonable guy. But when you swamp my social media (like, look at my last.fm wall for your wall of text repeat posting, and I've cleared a lot of your comments out) to the point where it becomes unusable for me - you can't do that. This is why I don't talk to you any more. 1 or 2 messages is OK. Bombarding someone with messages until they respond is not OK.

Sorry that had to be public, but you made that public.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:06 (six years ago) Permalink

oh my god this thread is getting locked

frogbs, Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:07 (six years ago) Permalink

if the tables were turned it would have been ON like donkey kong in a major way for exactly the same reasons; ie this would still be a clusterfuck. I see no problem in raising it as an issue, because it IS an issue, and it would be for most ilxors.

the fact that it wasn't ever hashed out in private months ago is honestly beyond my comprehension. I will lay my cards on the table and say that I do consider Mordy a good friend. and that twitter was a bridge too far. IM is a kitchen. Twitter is a town hall.

HOWEVER the fact is that this whole thing has been handled terribly for a looooong time by the two involved parties and is almost completely the result of zero useful, mature communication so I have no idea where this ends.

or ilx goes under martial law or the UN sends in their blue dudes or what idk.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:08 (six years ago) Permalink

good memories. i'd never get in a clusterfuck like that again. i'm onto clusterfuck 2.0's, bigger + better than ever, summer 2016 stay tuned

Mordy, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:03 (three years ago) Permalink

:)

drash, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:08 (three years ago) Permalink

now i'm trying to work out what the biggest possible ilx clusterfuck could be

strangled whelps (imago), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:08 (three years ago) Permalink

u and nakh go head 2 head with jaymc

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:10 (three years ago) Permalink

over.....veganism

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:10 (three years ago) Permalink

accusations of whiteness slung early doors

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:10 (three years ago) Permalink

something involving music, race, irl beef, borderline criminal activity, a thinkpiece and beloved og ilxors at loggerheads

strangled whelps (imago), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:11 (three years ago) Permalink

slothroprhymes notm obv there's ten more crucial ilx clusterfucks s and this one kinda fizzled out into burrito talk iirc

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:12 (three years ago) Permalink

XP momus reveal : hoos

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:13 (three years ago) Permalink

slothroprhymes notm obv there's ten more crucial ilx clusterfucks s and this one kinda fizzled out into burrito talk iirc
--thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac)

oh I have no doubt. this is just the one that got bumped to the top of sna on an afternoon during which I was extremely bored.

dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:19 (three years ago) Permalink

next boring afternoon find yrself one of the catfishing clusterfucks

Mordy, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:20 (three years ago) Permalink

ten more crucial ilx clusterfucks

the impossible poll

drash, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:22 (three years ago) Permalink

the greatest ilx clusterfuck moment of course took place irl

strangled whelps (imago), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:23 (three years ago) Permalink

idk abt that

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:24 (three years ago) Permalink

surely number one is the incident w/ interpol

Mordy, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:25 (three years ago) Permalink

the what now

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:26 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm backing away from this tbrr

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:27 (three years ago) Permalink

nm i don't know anything

Mordy, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:28 (three years ago) Permalink

mordy's talking about the police service not the band

strangled whelps (imago), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:29 (three years ago) Permalink

[redacted] wanted in 7 countries

strangled whelps (imago), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:30 (three years ago) Permalink

^

Mordy, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:30 (three years ago) Permalink

wait which redacted now

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:31 (three years ago) Permalink

man I got old didnt I. I got old.

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Excelsior the book

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:35 (three years ago) Permalink

carlos d herpes

zionsmommy (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:39 (three years ago) Permalink

the greatest ilx clusterfuck moment of course took place irl

― strangled whelps (imago), Wednesday, June 3, 2015 3:23 PM (38 minutes ago)

was that when you were sb-ed from the pub?

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 23:03 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

it involved alcohol and it took place in britain but i wasn't there

strangled whelps (imago), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 23:10 (three years ago) Permalink

no luna

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 23:20 (three years ago) Permalink

jeeze. take it to kinja.

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 23:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Hey imago maybe drop that shit huh

a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 23:56 (three years ago) Permalink

just fyi "this is a good one to let go" is a fuckin great ilx search

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:15 (three years ago) Permalink

who wants to start the clusterfuck poll nom thread

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:31 (three years ago) Permalink

didn't i do that 5 years ago and get temp-banned i do not rc

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:43 (three years ago) Permalink

lmao doesnt seem too farfetched

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:45 (three years ago) Permalink

maybe drash or some new poster attempting to follow in my posting style footsteps can do it

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:48 (three years ago) Permalink

drash plz start the thread thx in advance

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:51 (three years ago) Permalink

quants are working hard to quantify posters' clusterfuckability

mookieproof, Thursday, 4 June 2015 01:03 (three years ago) Permalink

throwing me to the wolves i see

tempted but

drash, Thursday, 4 June 2015 02:09 (three years ago) Permalink

we could do it on the fb group in fairness

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 June 2015 06:46 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

just fyi "this is a good one to let go" is a fuckin great ilx search

― thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 June 2015 00:15 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

total truthbomb btw

the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Sunday, 30 October 2016 00:23 (two years ago) Permalink

the quirky pagination of ilx search (e.g. "view previous page" but no "view next" page -> reading backwards, spoilers galore) is too hard on my feeble brain

brimstead, Sunday, 30 October 2016 00:34 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

u need to put "" around the entire term obv xp

the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:46 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

two weeks ago

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 05:16 (two years ago) Permalink

lol this thread

Mordy, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 05:29 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

surely number one is the incident w/ interpol

― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:25 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the what now

― thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 22:26 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fess up mordy!

trilby mouth (darraghmac), Friday, 20 January 2017 01:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Someone didn't like their latest album, resultant FB beef was pure carnage.

Tuomas, Monday, 23 January 2017 16:23 (one year ago) Permalink

... go on.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2017 16:27 (one year ago) Permalink


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