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― zvookster, Tuesday, February 8, 2011 12:08 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

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to be honest people who share my love of SB lols should rush to SB me before I can really get going on this subject...51'd while speaking in defense of 51-ing would be like the purple heart of suggest ban

Do you need someone to explain what happened to you, or do you pretty much understand what's going on?

Perhaps he should print this entire thread and read it in a large leather chair while smoking a pipe.

the only thing I need to know is that my colleague Tuomas still labors in the endless darkness of opposition to SB, and I feel that I am the man best equipped to liberate him from illusion on this question - for example, he writes:

But my point exactly was that a majority decision is more objective.

but here, see: yes, one majority, the one Tuomas proposes, would be a majority of active posters on the board. but the majority Tuomas chooses to ignore is the % of the 51 who clicked, which is 100. One hundred percent! That's not just a majority, it's an overwhelming majority. That can't really be offset by the proposed competing majority, which is a lot messier. 51 out of 51 is not just democracy, it's the most successful experiment in democracy anybody can recall. I honestly don't see how anybody can argue with this

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51 out of 51 is not just democracy, it's the most successful experiment in democracy anybody can recall. I honestly don't see how anybody can argue with this

I'm not terribly passionate on the subject but it would be easy to argue that this could be abused as a kind of tyranny. An organized coterie of 51 sb ninjas could, drunk on their own power, ban anybody they pleased regardless of the poster's popularity or innocuousness to the board as a whole.

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right, I get that, and I see how it would be a drag, but at the same time, I don't see how anybody can argue that it's unfair or undemocratic, since it requires not just simple majority but unanimity: if you're against that, and yet you're invoking ideas of fairness and majorities and so on, I'm unclear as to how you don't see the essential disconnect

I just realized I already work on a sort of killfile system; if I don't like someone in a thread or don't care for a derail or ven just a convo that bores me, I skip it. If it takes over the thread, I go elsewhere. If ILX is dull, I go somewhere else.

I can see the need for banning certain ppl, but I'm inclined to think the threshold should be somewhat high, not only because of a certain decent regard for diverse ways of thinking and expressing oneself and a respect for circumspection above passion, but also because a certain person can be banned for misbehavior on one thread on one board only for his correspondents on another thread on another board to be completely in the dark as to why he's suddenly gone and to feel that thread impoverished for it. Maybe 51 is high enough wrt the average traffic on the board. I have no idea.

I'm so incredibly happy aerosmith resurfaced to take down Tuomas' No-SB crusade. Its like Superman returning to fight Zod.

On second thought, Tuomas is more like Nuclear Man...

ilx would be a total site of free play where the line btw author and utterance would be oblitarated

we would all be each others' socks, it would be so amazing.

― goole, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:26 (Yesterday)

there should be at least one board where this is possible

― ice cr?m, Monday, 7 February 2011 17:28 (Yesterday)

http://www.yourworldoftext.com/77

a) I completely forgot about that
b) I can't believe it still exists

Also, I don't care but are ppl going to yell at you because that was from a 77 thread?

yelling is undemocratic, they should simply ban

ha!

WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING?

i recall hearing abt the legal aspect of doms bann - ircc the guy other guy was being somewhat unreasonable - obs not that dom wasnt too - tho tbh i dont really remember too clearly and im sure i never had all the infos - would be curious to hear details

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:09 (2 hours ago)

The incident you're thinking of is the one he (briefly) boasted about on 77, some lamer political bloggers. There was some kind of legal threat from these guys, I forget the specifics. They asked to have some post that dom had made removed, and even though I thought they were assholes, their request was quite reasonable, so I removed it. I fired him an email asking him to keep this off ilxor, which he did, although he later claimed I'd sent him a strongarm email about the matter, which I hadn't.

There was another incident, much more serious. His habit of constantly making out that this or that person is racist, antisemitic, homophobic etc, always based on the most specious school debating society logic came very close to getting us in serious legal trouble with a british publication, one of who's writers he slandered as...errrr....actually I can't even remember, one of the above anyway. There may be other incidents that I do not know about. I will note that under one of his sockpuppet attempts at reregistering, he posted that IIRC some major grime act was antisemitic, based on evidence that was questionable at best.

This isn't why dom got banned - he got banned for being a consistently poisonous, backbiting bitchy asshole on the boards. This is why he isn't welcome here anymore though.

NEW SUGGESTION

for every new SB, ilx has to let back one of its permanently banned posters. like in the bible

I just realized I already work on a sort of killfile system; if I don't like someone in a thread or don't care for a derail or ven just a convo that bores me, I skip it. If it takes over the thread, I go elsewhere. If ILX is dull, I go somewhere else.

this is the kind of thing that was endlessly hashed out back in the day, but it's always posters who've never actually been singled out or targeted or creeped on who say this.

so wait did the Dom getting some paper mad about things he posted on ilx happen before he was banned, at the same time, or while he was under a tempban that became permanent because of that?

yes.

Dom did not "get some paper mad about things he posted on ilx", he knowingly posted a libelous statement about a notable UK journalist.

It was made known to us after he got banned.

i have no idea why ilx would be liable for that but i mean w/e its not like im tryna get him unbanned

because uk libel laws are nuts

i wasn't on ilx during dom & ethan era--or at the very least just reading random ilm threads & not having any conception of who was who--so i can only imagine what it was like & sometimes happen on old threads & i am still p mystified so to what the great horrible crime was besides just being dicks? something abt having sex w/ some1s girl while reading ilx?

lol that was l0u1s jagg3r

I lurked during that time and ethan was a++ hilar, dom was on some kind of abuser level tho

that sounds like a fair assessment.

dom's most memorable moment for me was after italy won the world cup and he wrote this really heartfelt and sincere post about how much it meant to him and italy...didn't know he had it in him

it was like watching a criminal confess that the reason behind all his actions was because he had been abused as a child or something

yeah i mean just to be clear ethan was never really suggest banned in the way other were, and no one has a problem with him coming back

others*

the worst ethan ever did was suggest fans of undie rap were herbs and front his rap knowledge .....

dude could be a complete cunt when he wanted, tbf, but he was a good poster

i didn't particularly like him either but shrug

I lurked during that time and ethan was a++ hilar, dom was on some kind of abuser level tho

dom was a++ hilar AND a horrible sociopath

dom has no place in a conversation about sb's, as has been made clear it was a mode/site issue. ethan left voluntarily after a totally run-of-the-mill temp ban for image bombing. neither are relevant to this discussion imo.

what I got from this thread (admittedly skimmed over the last week)

1. if we can make the SB button part of the user profile while still retaining the memory of which post the SB is coming from, some people think that would be better. this would mean that there wouldn't be an SB button next to every post.

2. some people think the 51'd should be allowed to post only on I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX; this seems like a good idea to me.

3. Pashmina OTM.

dom was a dick and I never liked him

too lazy to google it, but i called dom 'don' consistently for like 3+ years to see if i could get his goat. goat got got, dom got gone

dom was a++ hilar AND a horrible sociopath

never understood people who thought like this

sometimes, he made very funny jokes

sometimes, he said savage and bitter things designed to hurt people, and generally waged a campaign to drive away people who didn't think like him

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the community is far better off without his influence, but that doesn't mean old posts poking fun at failed britpoppers or grime acts can't occasionally draw a snicker. life is a tapestry!

I'm tattooing my balls with a stark black NUMBER 51 TO PROTEST THESE FASCIST TIMES

hush

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Yeah even I came round to Ethan eventually and he was directly spiteful and nasty to me a couple times - but he's sharp and funny and tbh I feel bad I told him I hoped he'd die once, lol.

Dom otoh I never saw any redeeming humnour in and I too am baffled at those who defend him, tho maybe I missed threads/borads where it happened. He purposedfully needled me on multiple occasions though, and for what I dont know - I never ever engaged with him, but he was a straaight-up nasty asshole to me anyway.

He is the only person I have SB'ed ever.

Bring back Kate.

ethan was a real bastard on these boards but in the best possible sense, he was an A+ poster. i liked dom too but then again i don't know about any of this other stuff.

Kate'll come back, she always does.