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...because the point Masonic Boom raises with regard to the anonymity of the suggest ban and how it comes across as a gross popularity contest without any relevant feedback is possibly the best point I've read on this thread with regards to the system as it is currently working (and one reason why I ultimately think the "how many sbs do I have" is a good idea) and has actually been a topic of discussion amongst site mods within the past couple of months.

above c&p'd from the "open letter..." thread

since elsewhere on that thread a couple of mods had mentioned being open to once again discussing general problems with bannings, modding, etc., i thought i'd start a (mostly serious) thread about that stuff

i agree that masonic was pretty much otm in regards to the popularity contest thing. now, if that's the way that the majority of ppl want the ilx to function, then i suppose that's fine in and of itself. however, for me a msg board such as this appeals in large part b/c one gets an interesting ecology of different-minded contributors-- some witty, likeable; some irritating, one-note, etc. i mean, if i only wanted to exchange thoughts with the same kinda ppl that i would naturally gravitate towards as friends, then i would simply spend all of my online time on fb or whatever.

the sb thing has never made any sense to me. no one here bothers me to the extent that i would feel the need to hit that button. furthermore i trust the collective posters' sensibilities and moderation efforts here enough to evacuate ilx of any posters that truly need to go (here i'm thinking of ppl indulging in outright racist/otherwise egregiously offensive posts, habitual personal attacks, irl stuff, hacking, etc. and in cases in which moderation is seen as heavy-handed or somehow controversial, the worst damage that usually ensues is an timeout for a month or so. big deal. if ppl need to post here so desperately but find themselves banned for whatever reasons, they can probably manage to cook up a sockpuppet, or hell, get someone to post stuff for them by proxy.

i was reading the # of sb's inquiries thread and was surprised to learn that what to my mind are totally innocuous posters had in the past received enough sb's to boot them from here, and as well i was surprised to learn that other perfectly reasonable personalities here had somehow accrued an alarming number of them. again, i think that ilx has generally been self-regulating enough w/o the need for the sb function. afaict ppl who are just totally and completely out of sorts here usually end up leaving of their own accord or don't bother posting in the first place. if ppl want to maintain ilx as some sort of private club in which there is never any obnoxiousness or misfit posters then i think it risks becoming a rather sterile place in short time.

i think sometimes there are ppl here who would want the boards to be like a perfectly manicured weed-free suburban lawn. no thread de-railings, no repeat threads (god forbid!), etc. the fact is, if you go back and look through the archives throughout the ten-year history of this place, it's always been very messy and it's always been contentious here, whether you're talking old old mostly-uk ilx years or noise board heyday or what have you. in fact the past year or so almost seems like the least contentious, least messy it's ever been! i'm pretty sure that a reasonably laissez-faire modding ideal can be continued without this place devolving into some pit of youtube comments-worthy discourse/4chan inspired postings...

anyway, those are some thoughts i was having...

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 12:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

also please code an edit function ffs, so no one has to read something like the above

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 12:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

if 51 ppl register an sb against you, 'gross popularity contest' is a facetious reading.

borne out, in the main, by how few sbannings they've been, and, for the main, the kind of consistent, low-level yet widespread annoyances that mods shouldn't be getting involved in.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

well, maybe i don't read the boards enough, but some of the posters that have been s.b.-ed i don't really see how they're annoying

i think the concept of sb panders too much to people's pettiness and a certain kind of laziness as well. i mean if i find someone's posts tiresome, it's easy enough to let my eyes roll past their text and refrain from engaging them... or i guess i could even install a killfile thing for them

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

getting into the individual posters and why they were banned is the worst way to go here.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

tho apologies- tbf it's p much exactly where i went with my first post.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

i understand. that's why i've tried to refrain from naming names (even though it would be in a positive way)

my take is pretty much in line with this sentiment
who wants to be on a board where irritating but ultimately benign posters are going to get permanently banned? that is just some unamerican thought police shit and I can't believe I even have to explain this. fuck it, sb me and get it over with.

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, February 27, 2009 4:15 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

i mean, i'm not asking to be sb'd or telling everyone to fuck off, more that i just don't get the reasoning behind banning people unless they are truly causing grief to others

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

irritating/benign

not really a binary though. when enough posters feel the balance for an individual has gone too far, a 30 day ban kicks in.

its not really all that unreasonable or brutal, is it?

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

no, certainly it's not brutal. it just seems unnecessary and as i suggested, i think it encourages some of people's less-than noble impulses

in all sincerity it just bums me out that ppl would even be of a mind to hit the s.b. button. i don't get it.

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

i've hit it, i've had mine hit. it hasn't been a huge problem so far imo, and tbh if it serves to make ppl police themselves to avoid irritating other posters then i'm all for it.

if we hadnt had sb's the past whatever time period, we'd have had a lot more modbans for the same behaviours, and i think it's a Good Thing that we've avoided that in many ways- mods take enough shit for completely justifiable calls, eliminating in any way the demand for them to step into grey areas like 'consistently irritating/disruptive, but not banworthy' is worthwhile.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

maybe we could have this thing where sb'd posts are listed in a public log and people could then vote on whether or not the post was worthy of a sb

whiney trollins vs. hipsters (dayo), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

you could sb the sb

whiney trollins vs. hipsters (dayo), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

xposts yah, but if ppl find themselves stifling their posting habits in other ways b/c they are trying to avoid ppl's whimsical sb's, then i don't think that's a good thing

i don't think that most of the posters who have been s.b.'d were consistently irritating/disruptive. in any case, when the mods get shit for banning people it usually seems to be from the same small group of posters. i feel confident based on past actions that mods don't ban people at whim. however posters anonymously hitting s.b. is a different story

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

52 ppl in the period of six months having the exact same whim?

嬰ハ長調 (c sharp major), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

i don't think that most of the posters who have been s.b.'d were consistently irritating/disruptive

we differ.

'whimsical' is a fairly large assumption on your part.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

well, i'm just saying that i was shocked to read names of ppl who had been sb'd or who are running fairly high counts at this point. if i had a big problem with someone harassing me i would take it to the mods. attempting to iron out annoyances from a msg board seems almost to defeat the purpose of an open-ended discussion forum like ilx

i mean, i guess i will go ahead and name names. if ppl here can't deal with TUOMAS' posts here, who is like the most good-natured, innocuous poster ever, then i can't even imagine how they make it through the course of a day irl. good grief, etc...it just seems insane to me.

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 13:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

you would almost have to have read tuomas on the numerous sb threads to understand that one, yes. i wouldn't have been a fan of that banning, but

aw fuck spurs

that was solely as the result of making ridiculous, repetitive arguments ad nauseum on the one subject, aying no regard to any responses peope were giving him.

afair, anyway.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

only been actively posting for a year or so but haven't really had a problem with any of the 51'd people being 51'd so far

whiney trollins vs. hipsters (dayo), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

don't 51 LJ again though :(

whiney trollins vs. hipsters (dayo), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

xposts
i recall reading those and yeah, i agree that he argued to a sort of ridiculous extent. but at the same time, ppl have different arguing styles and i think sometimes ppl are quick to call someone a troll if they disagree w/someone both in the substance of the argument and the manner in which they put it forth

but, yeah, when it comes down to it i guess i just differ in my views w/o many other people here as far as what constitutes chronically annoying or how best to deal w/it.

no biggie, just thought it warranted discussing again in light of the weininggarden thread

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

i was surprised to learn that other perfectly reasonable personalities here had somehow accrued an alarming number of them

That doesn't look good, but none of those people have yet been banned. And in the case of ilxor frinstance, while I'm not sure his infractions deserved a lengthy ban, he had been clearly warned and didn't desist.

Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

xpost
yeah i don't get ppl's problem with lj either. at least, don't get why they would have him banned.

oh well.

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

And in the case of ilxor frinstance, while I'm not sure his infractions deserved a lengthy ban, he had been clearly warned and didn't desist.

i don't recall what he was doing that people found issue with, but yeah, that seems fair enough if ppl are warned not to do x but they persist anyhow

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

30 days isn't a lengthy ban

del, i accept you're arguing froma position of sincerity, but you seem to be forgetting just about anything irritating any banned poster might ever have done. ilxor was banned only a few weeks back, cmon.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

fair enough, i guess i don't follow stuff closely enough at times

also early-onset dementia is a possibility

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

maybe you've sb'd loads people and just forgotten

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

how about every time you sb someone, you yourself get a sb

whiney trollins vs. hipsters (dayo), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

finite no of sb's that can e given in a 6 month period. no more than 20, maybe less?

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

how about all posters can only sb darraghmac

whiney trollins vs. hipsters (dayo), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

seems a little off topic

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

sb'd u

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

how about all posters can only sb darraghmac

― whiney trollins vs. hipsters (dayo), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:27 (3 minutes ago)

maybe not ~only~ but yeah

Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

the man's a fucking disgrace

Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

feeling slightly victimised, but i cant mount a coherent argument against tbh

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

what if everybody sb's all the mods and then the mods have to ban themselves and then there are no mods and then we have no mods and

wouldn't that be great

whiney trollins vs. hipsters (dayo), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

maybe you've sb'd loads people and just forgotten

yes i "forgot"! D

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

has dmac ever mounted anything coherent? conscious would be a start

Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

i assumed mods were immune to sb's

mods are basically dm's, their posting personas essentially npc's

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

who i've mounted and how i've mounted them is my own business, tyvm

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

gd why are u even here when yr failing to mount a last ditch rescue vs bolton

Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

from now on as a rule i'm shitbanning all of you with extreme prejudice.

loose jorts (del), Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

we've managed to forget, but in ILX's more contentious past, there were far MORE bannings. they were board bannings (noize, 1p3) not site bans, but were far more common than now. i liked it. you never knew when a ban was coming gour way, wouldn't know why, no one/no way to argue it. kept posters on their toes imo. it was quality control, and those boards were better for it.

now it's all one big board. site new answers. it's too bad.

(651) (156), Saturday, 6 November 2010 17:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

more like 51 51 666

wakafledia (k3vin k.), Saturday, 6 November 2010 17:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

honestly, i think that if the posters who get 51-ed have no idea why they're accumulating so many sb's, they must to some extent have their fingers in their ears going "la lalalala i can't hear you." While I'm sure that some posters just press the button as their only means of registering a complaint, there are always several posters who will be more public with their criticism.

sarahel, Saturday, 6 November 2010 17:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

temporary timeouts can be great. i've basically suggest-banned myself a few times and then come back after some months. my favorite posters are the ones that come and go: amon, estela, roxy. go out in the world, do your thing, then come back to us. del, you're like this and i appreciate it. imo we all need time off from here, self-imposed or not.

there is the danger of TAKING UR BAN 2 SRSLY, and i feel for those people, but then i look at jordan and whiney and even morbius: ok u guyz got me, i'll take my month off and respect that, but sure as hell i'm coming back. can't keep those dudes down, and i get that.

we make too big a deal of what should be a good thing. whoever was last banned should personally thank each of the 51.

(651) (156), Saturday, 6 November 2010 17:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

Thread of missing dell

buzza, Saturday, 6 November 2010 17:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

"it doesn't happen that often" is a terrible justification for any policy

if its for low level irritation then we need an offset button where we can vote up posts of value.

String Yr BLOBs (bnw), Saturday, 6 November 2010 18:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

that works well on youtube, anyway

Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Saturday, 6 November 2010 18:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think what it comes down to is the spitballin smokin in the boys room motherfuckers in the back of the room don't like the idea that the rest of their classmates can have them kicked out for being disruptive

'u r taking my right to be disruptive'

of course this idea presupposes that we're all here 'for' something, that there's a something to be disrupted, when a lot of people are just here to bullshit and be internet loudmouths and have fun. i am one of these.

we're here for different reasons i guess and we'll never see sb the same way imo

HOOS tremendo...steen ridically (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 6 November 2010 19:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

<3 u so much right now hoos (/aero)

Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Saturday, 6 November 2010 19:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

hey, here's a thought: every so often i get particularly annoyed by _______'s--usually one of the same half-dozen or so posters, iirc--acting like an asshole and punch SB. and, somehow, i imagine they likewise do the same when fed up with my more asinine behavior here. end result: we end up with somewhat less than a dozen SBs at any given 6 month time period, i'd imagine. big fucking deal. life goes on.

hey look at me i'm a drunken asshole, how 'bout that huh? (Ioannis), Saturday, 6 November 2010 21:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

otm

not sure there's been a single 'comedy' sb yet, unless ppl were sbannin lj for the lols one of the times.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 00:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

forget 'post your sb number' -- i wanna see who's handing them all out.

i think i may have hit it four times? maybe a couple more that i've forgotten durnk.

mookieproof, Sunday, 7 November 2010 00:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

how baout just having an ignore list? has it been discussed? seems like a less obtrusive way for ppl who get annoyed by certain posters to not have to deal w/em

sleepingbag, Sunday, 7 November 2010 00:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

would that be the same as the whatchoocallit code

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 00:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

killfile

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 00:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh i suppose it's very possible that that's already implemented and i just don't know about it or how to use it. there's a lot i don't know about this board tho

sleepingbag, Sunday, 7 November 2010 01:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

check it out at the bottom of the 'boards' page. seems like a lot of hassle imo.

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 01:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

this was a v reasonable sb discussion imo tip of the cap to del

modric conservative (darraghmac), Monday, 16 January 2012 23:34 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

^

when are we bringing this back btw

um, airhead (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 May 2013 18:25 (five years ago) Permalink

we raised the money for it, stop holding out on us

um, airhead (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 May 2013 18:25 (five years ago) Permalink

Money?

No ban for your buck.

Mark G, Monday, 20 May 2013 11:41 (five years ago) Permalink

^^^punning scared

bleeding like a stoke pig (imago), Monday, 20 May 2013 20:33 (five years ago) Permalink

punning up that hill (...) make a deal with mods

go cray cray on my lobster soufflé (snoball), Monday, 20 May 2013 20:38 (five years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

sb5 needs to be implemented to take advantage of html5 imo

dj hollingsworth vs dj perry (darraghmac), Thursday, 27 June 2013 12:45 (five years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

otm

Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:50 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Obv

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Monday, 6 June 2016 06:35 (two years ago) Permalink


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