Damage Control on divergence of humor wrt to AC Transit fight.

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This will probably get deleted or locked but HI DERE banned ddb and cutty on the Noize Board in what I feel is an abuse of power.

I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers. If not, I think a GOD OF MODS should tempban Dan for crossing the line and taking things too personally, and if he is truly that sensitive, maybe he should reconsider being a mod.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 18:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

Steve rather than shouting revolution or calling a guy's real name out when shit gets heated, you could just try to argue with dude on this thread.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 18:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, neither of them said anything racist, quoted anything racist or linked to anything racist. Don't really see how posting a youtube that's floating around everywhere merits a banning.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 18:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

i have to agree that hi dere's been a little trigger happy with the old ban user/lock thread button of late

anita bonghit (rionat), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol good luck w/ this one guys, peace

max, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

noting was posted but lolz. only anger came from HI DERE and whiney

jaxon, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was the post that sparked that, it was the dogged back and forth "making a point" that followed that led to some needlessly heated ad hominem.
FTR, I personally don't think it necessarily merited a tempban either, but both ddb and cutty did keep baiting the bear for no particular reason.
Deep breathing till the end of the day plz and let's do a quick reassessment tomorrow; all of us (myself included) wouldn't be hurt by an ILX day off.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

all ddb and cutty did was want to talk about a video that the entire internet was talking about, but ilx cant?

jaxon, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think what brought the thing to a head was that it was on a LOL thread and the elements of race and violence are not so lolzy for everyone.
My guess is that if it had come up on a separate thread it wouldn't have been an issue for anyone.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

some morons around the Internet getting a racist thrill from video != inherently racist

I couldn't understand most of what they were saying, I just saw a young guy walk to the front of a bus to punch an old guy and get his ass beat.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

it was posted elsewhere and immediately locked

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp except Hi Dere locked the separate thread on ILX.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

Regardless of what reason the video was posted for, I don't really get what's funny about it. Two guys get into an angry, racist argument on a bus, then the younger guy (apparently) hits the older guy, and the older guy beats him up. You can actually see the blood on the bus seat in the video. To me the whole thing is just sad and stupid, and I can't see wtf is so funny about it? And DDB posting a pic that makes fun of how the black guy pronounces "ambulance" while his mouth is full of blood is just bad taste. There's nothing funny about real life violence. Especially when it has an racist element like here. I'm not sure if people should be banned for it, but I don't get why they thought it's appropriate to post this stuff in a "LOL" thread.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

wau

carne asada, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

I am going to recuse myself from this discussion aside from this post.

ddb was tempbanned essentially for posting "in character". I expect people interacting with moderators on moderation issues to behave like adults and I will not tolerate it when they do not. This is nothing new and has been my default moderation stance since whenever it was that I fist volunteered to be a moderator (possibly 2002?).

cutty was tempbanned for not dropping the issue after saying repeatedly he was going to drop it. I understand that this comes across as harsh, but he also had been told that the context around posting that video was bannable and this was after a decent-sized argument with a completely separate group of posters who objected to it.

I will abide by whatever action the site moderators take.

I would also like to know who all of the people I have been trigger-happily banning are? The only ones I know of, aside from today, are an anonymous/new poster who started a insult poll about who the most boring poster on ILX is and r|t|c, who spent several threads insulting me out of the blue before directly yelling "ban me" at me, which history will show I always comply with. (I also unbanned him the next day.)

sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

There is something funny about people who initiate violence getting their butts kicked.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp which "separate thread" are you referring to? the ipod thread?
Start a fresh thread about it on any other board (bearing in mind that it has the potential to be a somewhat tetchy topic and without trying to reincite the exact same argument with the same mod) and have the conversation there and everybody should be okay.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Maybe for you there is. I don't find violence funny at all, regardless of who started it.

8x-post to Milo)

Tuomas, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously not comfortable with one person deciding what content is bannable when it isn't openly bigoted. Even more frustrating because there's nothing for anyone who objects to do except not post here - that's why we trust mods to exercise their judgement and only step in when absolutely necessary, IMO.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Maybe for you there is."

Is this a Finnish thing?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

Is what a Finnish thing?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

ddb and cutty did keep baiting the bear for no particular reason

and which was the one that got fucked up?

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

thanks for your thoughts Dan.

now can you unban ddb and cutty?

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

So glad, for several reasons, that I can't see vids at work.

L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

are an anonymous/new poster who started a insult poll about who the most boring poster on ILX

anonymous/new Chaki

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

tuomas...otm

vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Is what a Finnish thing?"

Failing to understand that other people can find things funny.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously not comfortable with one person deciding what content is bannable when it isn't openly bigoted.

I've always found Dan to be reasonable and openminded when it comes to what may or may not be racist.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp - What's "openly bigoted" and veiled is open to interpretation. HI DERE is policing his own standards and they're fairly reasonable ones.

Again: feel free to start a new thread that discusses this topic on ILE or Noize or whatever as long as it isn't made in the spirit of lolracism and doesn't lead to a continuation of this kind of clusterfuck hatfield/mccoy argument.

And we can deal with userbans that came out of this tomorrow on this thread once everybody cools off. Fair? Can we drop this for now?

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

so i just watched that and basically anyone who thinks that's lol, i have a very new perception of you.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Is what a Finnish thing?"

Failing to understand that other people can find things funny.

No, it's personal thing. I've been beaten up enough times in my life to know there's nothing funny about violence, regardless of who started what.
Maybe you think he had it coming and feel that it was justified, but I still don't see what makes it funny. It's just sad. Every day people die or get permanently injured in fights like that.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

It's sort of grimly amusing to see everyone pulling the "what, I don't see what's so racist about this?" reaction on a board where we can have a thousand-post thread about the racist overtones of a bottle opener.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

Steve:
we can deal with userbans that came out of this tomorrow on this thread once everybody cools off.
we can deal with userbans that came out of this tomorrow on this thread once everybody cools off.
we can deal with userbans that came out of this tomorrow on this thread once everybody cools off.
we can deal with userbans that came out of this tomorrow on this thread once everybody cools off.
we can deal with userbans that came out of this tomorrow on this thread once everybody cools off.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

forks, the last people who posted the video got banned, I don't think anyone's going to egg on HI DERE and start another thread.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

Tuomas, I'm guessing you didn't start the fights where you got beaten up?

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

"I've been beaten up enough times in my life"

I'm not shocked by this revelation, but not sure it's true either.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

Steve, your lobbying is noted and taken into account and I'm just asking that everybody take a deep breath and let's deal with this in the sunrise, please?

Milo, i'm pretty sure HI DERE doesn't care if it's the video being discussed if 1)people aren't being dicks about it and 2) people arent' being dicks about it.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

forks, the last people who posted the video got banned, I don't think anyone's going to egg on HI DERE and start another thread.

The last person who posted the video was Ned Trifle, who was not banned.

sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

who is being a dick? everyone was pretty casual about this whole thing. perhaps a bit too casual, but that's probably what started all this beef in the first place.

jeff, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

if you want dicks have I got a website for you

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

"but he also had been told that the context around posting that video was bannable" doesn't tell me he "doesn't care if the video is being discussed"

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

Talking in a non-dickish way about the AC Transit fight

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.
I'd like to lobby to revoke both bans on these posers.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

Tuomas, I'm guessing you didn't start the fights where you got beaten up?

No. But even in the cases where I fought back, had someone filmed it and put it on the Internet for laughs, I just wouldn't have understood that. I don't think real-life violence is funny, ever. If some of you think that way, I guess we just disagree on a very fundamental level.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

(bolded for people who don't have a sense of humor, hi forks!)

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

xp: ah, i get it now.
http://www.haverford.edu/psych/ddavis/p109g/fslip.jpg

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

xps

I can confirm I was not banned. I didn't know it was being discussed on the noise board because I don't hang out there. I posted it (in an admittedly trite way) because I was actually interested in the way the video polarizes opinion elsewhere. I was momentarily pissed off with Dan for locking the thread but then I posted a couple of cute animals on the cute thread and I felt fine.

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol guess its a good thing i didnt post the street fighter gif in the ilg lolz thread

Amba (Lamp), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

too soon

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

hey this thread isn't going to go anywhere useful soon, so here's the deal - both people will get unbanned tomorrow. locking this because all that can come out of it from here on out is people yelling about stuff, which is boring.

3:16 (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:46 (eight years ago) Permalink


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