Missin U <3 - lamentations for those felled by the SB

am i the only one who keeps thinking ppl mean the other LJ?

leeeeroy jenkins

and mussels

I've spent this entire weekend barely being able to think of anything else, and I would actively encourage Momus to face up and argue his point within an actual community of hundreds of people that he has accused, without any concession to things like nuance, of directly contributing towards a person's deaath.

I would like to see if Momuz could seriously defend his point of view up against people who were actually close to the person in question. Who he had actually talked to and let know at least a tiny fraction of what was going on his head.

I would like him to at least face up to, and not wave away in the confines of his own self-moderated blog frequented by acolytes, the accusations that his entire argument is at best conjecture based on a handful of carefully-selected message board posts, and at worst an outrigt lie.

I would like him to actually stand up and face what is pretty much the most offensive accusation I have read in eight years of dealing with this particularly offensive internet community.

I would like him to assume something other than the Voice On High tone so beloved of the right wing press in this country that serves to whip up the sort of lynch mob mentality he so decries.

I would like him to post here and show a fucking backbone.

Well said. C'mon Momus old chap, you obviously read this, stop being a gutless poser and come and apologise to people you've hurt.

Matt DC you do realize that you are saying "I would like Momus to come here & re-demonstrate his remarkable & remarkably frustrating aptitude for ignoring reality & his total inability to admit when he's been proven wrong"

Also his inability to have ever figured out who you were when he was arguing with you, which was A++ hilaro.

whoever said momus was real dumb for a smart guy was otm; we don't need him back here.

MattDC I wouldnt sweat it. That LJ post is the biggest load of crap ive read in awhile.

It surely is, but it is monumentally frustrating that we're all being tarred with this brush of uncaringness and being implicated in Mark's passing like some sensationalist "INTERNET KILLS TEENS" Herald Sun headline :(

I think I may have read the wrong thing, you're saying he wrote this all on L0u1s J4gg3r?

http://21.media.tumblr.com/aNI5MLGyb4iaducwLBWVNHLz_500.jpg

I mean, I could have told you when I heard his music that he was a worthless piece of shit, so this is really nothing new for me.

Who would have guessed that the man behind Ocky Milk would be a closet dipshit!?!

Matt DC you do realize that you are saying "I would like Momus to come here & re-demonstrate his remarkable & remarkably frustrating aptitude for ignoring reality & his total inability to admit when he's been proven wrong"

Haha yes I totally get that. It was more that I wanted to rant and I'm sure as hell not going to do that on his own blog. It's roughly the same impulse I get when I read something insane in the Daily Mail and think about the possibility of getting the editor round a table with people who can call him out on his bullshit, except this for better or worse has a chance of actually happening.

I think we should retroactively SB him in an act of solidarity.

It would only take 51 of us!

Pick any shitty momus thread! Press SB! Let's do this within 24 hours!

Here's him being a crybaby that the underpaid staff at an indie rock website wasn't laboriously fact-checking his shitty album:
Pitchfork reviews the new Momus album

Here's a classic worth at least one ol' SB
Have you ever stopped to wonder how the Japanese had sex in the 1960s?

This is simply tl;dr!
Are we living in a monoculture?

SB SB SB!

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/confirmbanrequest.jsp?action=confirmban&boardid=40&threadid=16574&messageid=1

i love the idea that tuomas was sb'd solely because he defended flash mobbers

Finest of display names vvvv

Guys, if you SB Momus, that will only "prove" his supposed "point". Don't give him that pleasure.

And the terrorists win

As an aside I'm kind of surprised you can Suggest Ban people who have never actually registered on Keith's version of ILX, but apparently you can. I'm not sure if there's any point in SBing someone who doesn't actually have a login in the first place but if it's cathartic go ahead.

did anyone mention to momus that suggest bans are not permanent, and thus far the only person to have been permanently "banished" was gabbneb, who was openly trolling for bans, and thus the suggest ban feature has been an ultimately productive feature?

the trouble with mentioning things to momus is that the things people mention pass through his self serving mangle and come out as some kind of resultant paste that cynically misrepresents what they said to him in the first place, also when he quotes it back he sounds as if he is leaping around in green tights and laughing like zarathustra.

I'm with Tuomas on this one. He'd take his ban as a trophy, hoist it on a shield and show all the world to see how sharp he saw through it all, how right he was...

No thanks, I'll pass.

This guy only deserves to be ignored.

the trouble with mentioning things to momus is that the things people mention pass through his self serving mangle and come out as some kind of resultant paste that cynically misrepresents what they said to him in the first place, also when he quotes it back he sounds as if he is leaping around in green tights and laughing like zarathustra.

Estela, may you honor me with your fair hand in marriage?

<3 u, e

and thus the suggest ban feature has been an ultimately productive feature?

bullshit, actually

This has nothing to do with Bimble, but if the SB system is here to stay, I'd like to suggest a feature that would make it work better. I think when a person gets suggest banned, he should be able to see all his posts that gathered the 51 SBs. If the idea of SB is to correct the "dickish" behaviour of a poster, it would make sense for him too see what others thought were his offenses. For example, before Jjjusten mentioned it in this thread, I had no idea I had gotten a lot of SBs for making a link to a silly discussion on St0rmfr0nt. I had no idea they track back all links to their site, so I didn't know I was doing something punishable. I got immediately yellow carded for this by a mod, so I would have not done it again even without the suggest ban.

Anyway, my point is, in the previous system, when a mod banned you, you knew why you got banned. With SB, if you get banned, it might not be very clear what the reason for your ban is (unless it's something really obvious, like Ethan's image flood). So you might imagine the reason you got banned was, for example, your unpopular opinions or your sexuality, which could just lead to bitterness and not any sort of "correction" in your behaviour. (Or, in the worst case, you might become afraid of expressing your opinions in fear of another ban, which I don't think was the reason the SB system was installed.) When I was SBed, I honestly thought it was only because I was so strongly and stubbornly opposed to secret boards and the SB system itself. So if you still intend to continue with this system, I think it would benefit everyone to let the banned person know what he was banned for.

think when a person gets suggest banned, he should be able to see all his posts that gathered the 51 SBs.

That's actually a pretty good idea.

tbh id sort of like to see which posts of mine garnered my 25 or whatever SBs

26 or whatever ;)

don't quite understand your suggestion tuomas, can you come up with a tortured analogy to make it a bit clearer please

When I was SBed, I honestly thought it was only because I was so strongly and stubbornly opposed to secret boards and the SB system itself.

Tuomas, if this is really what you thought, it means you don't listen when people tell you stuff, so an indication in any other form of which posts got SBs won't help the matter

I think bannees being able to see which posts got them SB'd and by who is bad and could lead to actual unpleasantness, petty "revenge" etc. - the system hinges on anonymity

maybe knowing which posts, if any, got you over, say, 5 SBs could be useful tho - but not revealing who did them.

What do you mean "people tell you stuff"? No one had told me the St0rmfr0nt thing got me a lot of SBs before Jjjusten mentioned it on this thread. And why wouldn't seeing the posts that got SBs help the matter? Surely it would do no harm anyway, but in the best case it might help some people mend their ways.

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that said i would love to know which single post has acquired the most SBs - one of ethan's deliberate Biggie spams maybe (but there were so many, damn vote split)?

I think bannees being able to see which posts got them SB'd and by who is bad and could lead to actual unpleasantness, petty "revenge" etc. - the system hinges on anonymity.

I didn't say the banned person should see who SBed him, just which posts garnered him the SBs. Anonymity would still be respected.

And I think you should be able to see all the posts that garnered the SBs. If one post got you 46 SBs, and later on 5 other posts got you 5 more SBs, just seeing the last 5 would not be that helpful.

I think there may be something in Tuomas's idea - I too thought T just got banned for being a little stubborn and repetitive on the anti-SB thread, though I didn't see the St0rmfron7 link at all so maybe whichever thread that was on was full of outcry

and then if any SBs were for anything particularly innocuous maybe you could take it up w/mods, though I realise they have better things to do and don't want to be emailed whingefests about "come on man this one and this one are not worth an SB so therefore I am only on 43 tops" etc

(also is only part of the story - the only time I remember clicking SB was some guy saying "punk is moronic and worthless", which is a tiresome opinion annoyingly expressed but would not be SB-worthy if I hadn't just gone to an ILM punk thread for a break from reading the same poster being a condescending jerk on one ILE thread and thought "thank christ this random googler is only on the one thread")

I don't think it's actually workable anyway - we've only been able to see specific posts that garnered SBs for a month or two anyway. Most of the people with a lot of SBs racked most of those votes up early and have slowed since.

So for most of the people likely to get a month off, it's actually impossible to see which posts prompted the majority those SBs. You'd get an incomplete picture at best and virtually no useful information at worst.

and then if any SBs were for anything particularly innocuous maybe you could take it up w/mods, though I realise they have better things to do and don't want to be emailed whingefests

Well, the mods have continously said that most of the SBs come from
trolling or dickish behaviour, and "wrong" opinions or stuff like that are not a reason to SB anyone, so if in the future someone was actually SBed for innocuous reasons, he should have the right to complain about it.

So for most of the people likely to get a month off, it's actually impossible to see which posts prompted the majority those SBs. You'd get an incomplete picture at best and virtually no useful information at worst.

Then there's a big flaw in the SB system. If it's supposed to curb dickish behaviour and let the banned poster return after a month as a better person, it's kind of problematic if some of the banned posters don't know why they were banned. In the worst case they might be afraid to say anything that might be in any way considered "controversial", because they fear they will get SBed for the second time.

have we done a 'do you like the SB system? yes/no' poll yet? would it be dickish to start one?

nb. i am pretty much in favour of it and not trying to start trouble, just curious. that's why i am asking first

suggest ban sucks (unban LJ)

(This was done early on, though, a new poll might get some more votes.)