Missin U <3 - lamentations for those felled by the SB

(ugh sorry for all the spelling errors)

Sadly, I think the fury I feel towards Momus -- and now one of his imbecilic acolytes on his blog -- suggests it's time I took another of my periodic breaks from ILX.

My parting words, if it means anything to anyone: this is a fine, sometimes wonderful, sometimes truly fucking fantastic community. As has been pointed out repeatedly on Momus's bastard blog and elsewhere: the tragedy of Bimble's suicide can never be reduced to "if only ... then" simplicity, and to attempt to do so is not just pointless but actively counter-productive.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm still in shock about what's happened. While I know that rising to Momus's shitty bait is pointless, if I stay here I'm going to keep on going back and getting stuck in an absurd circular argument -- which is daft, because he's too caught up with his own absurd, dehumanised agenda to listen.

There are many truly awesome people on ILX. Everyone who's missing Bimble is very much in my thoughts. I hope everyone can keep talking about how they feel about what's happened, both on and off the board, and move towards recovering from his death. And I hope that -- unlike me! -- you can all ignore the misguided, pitiful words of an idiot with an agenda.

Be back in a few weeks, I guess.

Aww Grimly... I hear you though, and I'm still so sad about Bimble. Momus's blog is definitely not a place I'll waste my time on anymore. And I can see how you'd want to avoid it all together for a whole.

Thanks for your kind wishes, I wish you nothing but the very same. Take care man.

Don't run away, Grimly, ILX needs ILXors to be ILX. Just don't read this thread and you'll be fine.

don't let the terrorists win grimly

he censors comments on that thread to prevent it turning into "poison", right? Seems to me he's already agreed to have sex for money; all the rest is just haggling.

All the best GF. Take care out there lad!

Momus is like some kind of alien, or curious robot - a detached, emotionless Klaatu trying to save us from ourselves, or something.

I could write a diatribe on his LJ as I have one of my own, but I'm not sure there's much point. He doesn't give a shit. Momus genuinely has no human empathy - he's a detached sounding board, a dirty mirror, no substance of his own and no notion that this shit he pulls out of his arse might actually, gee I dont know, UPSET other people.

If he's lost someone to suicide himself then he should honestly know better, and I wish him ill.

am i the only one who keeps thinking ppl mean the other LJ?

leeeeroy jenkins

and mussels

I've spent this entire weekend barely being able to think of anything else, and I would actively encourage Momus to face up and argue his point within an actual community of hundreds of people that he has accused, without any concession to things like nuance, of directly contributing towards a person's deaath.

I would like to see if Momuz could seriously defend his point of view up against people who were actually close to the person in question. Who he had actually talked to and let know at least a tiny fraction of what was going on his head.

I would like him to at least face up to, and not wave away in the confines of his own self-moderated blog frequented by acolytes, the accusations that his entire argument is at best conjecture based on a handful of carefully-selected message board posts, and at worst an outrigt lie.

I would like him to actually stand up and face what is pretty much the most offensive accusation I have read in eight years of dealing with this particularly offensive internet community.

I would like him to assume something other than the Voice On High tone so beloved of the right wing press in this country that serves to whip up the sort of lynch mob mentality he so decries.

I would like him to post here and show a fucking backbone.

Well said. C'mon Momus old chap, you obviously read this, stop being a gutless poser and come and apologise to people you've hurt.

Matt DC you do realize that you are saying "I would like Momus to come here & re-demonstrate his remarkable & remarkably frustrating aptitude for ignoring reality & his total inability to admit when he's been proven wrong"

Also his inability to have ever figured out who you were when he was arguing with you, which was A++ hilaro.

whoever said momus was real dumb for a smart guy was otm; we don't need him back here.

MattDC I wouldnt sweat it. That LJ post is the biggest load of crap ive read in awhile.

It surely is, but it is monumentally frustrating that we're all being tarred with this brush of uncaringness and being implicated in Mark's passing like some sensationalist "INTERNET KILLS TEENS" Herald Sun headline :(

I think I may have read the wrong thing, you're saying he wrote this all on L0u1s J4gg3r?

http://21.media.tumblr.com/aNI5MLGyb4iaducwLBWVNHLz_500.jpg

I mean, I could have told you when I heard his music that he was a worthless piece of shit, so this is really nothing new for me.

Who would have guessed that the man behind Ocky Milk would be a closet dipshit!?!

Matt DC you do realize that you are saying "I would like Momus to come here & re-demonstrate his remarkable & remarkably frustrating aptitude for ignoring reality & his total inability to admit when he's been proven wrong"

Haha yes I totally get that. It was more that I wanted to rant and I'm sure as hell not going to do that on his own blog. It's roughly the same impulse I get when I read something insane in the Daily Mail and think about the possibility of getting the editor round a table with people who can call him out on his bullshit, except this for better or worse has a chance of actually happening.

I think we should retroactively SB him in an act of solidarity.

It would only take 51 of us!

Pick any shitty momus thread! Press SB! Let's do this within 24 hours!

Here's him being a crybaby that the underpaid staff at an indie rock website wasn't laboriously fact-checking his shitty album:
Pitchfork reviews the new Momus album

Here's a classic worth at least one ol' SB
Have you ever stopped to wonder how the Japanese had sex in the 1960s?

This is simply tl;dr!
Are we living in a monoculture?

SB SB SB!

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/confirmbanrequest.jsp?action=confirmban&boardid=40&threadid=16574&messageid=1

i love the idea that tuomas was sb'd solely because he defended flash mobbers

Finest of display names vvvv

Guys, if you SB Momus, that will only "prove" his supposed "point". Don't give him that pleasure.

And the terrorists win

As an aside I'm kind of surprised you can Suggest Ban people who have never actually registered on Keith's version of ILX, but apparently you can. I'm not sure if there's any point in SBing someone who doesn't actually have a login in the first place but if it's cathartic go ahead.

did anyone mention to momus that suggest bans are not permanent, and thus far the only person to have been permanently "banished" was gabbneb, who was openly trolling for bans, and thus the suggest ban feature has been an ultimately productive feature?

the trouble with mentioning things to momus is that the things people mention pass through his self serving mangle and come out as some kind of resultant paste that cynically misrepresents what they said to him in the first place, also when he quotes it back he sounds as if he is leaping around in green tights and laughing like zarathustra.

I'm with Tuomas on this one. He'd take his ban as a trophy, hoist it on a shield and show all the world to see how sharp he saw through it all, how right he was...

No thanks, I'll pass.

This guy only deserves to be ignored.

the trouble with mentioning things to momus is that the things people mention pass through his self serving mangle and come out as some kind of resultant paste that cynically misrepresents what they said to him in the first place, also when he quotes it back he sounds as if he is leaping around in green tights and laughing like zarathustra.

Estela, may you honor me with your fair hand in marriage?

<3 u, e

and thus the suggest ban feature has been an ultimately productive feature?

bullshit, actually

This has nothing to do with Bimble, but if the SB system is here to stay, I'd like to suggest a feature that would make it work better. I think when a person gets suggest banned, he should be able to see all his posts that gathered the 51 SBs. If the idea of SB is to correct the "dickish" behaviour of a poster, it would make sense for him too see what others thought were his offenses. For example, before Jjjusten mentioned it in this thread, I had no idea I had gotten a lot of SBs for making a link to a silly discussion on St0rmfr0nt. I had no idea they track back all links to their site, so I didn't know I was doing something punishable. I got immediately yellow carded for this by a mod, so I would have not done it again even without the suggest ban.

Anyway, my point is, in the previous system, when a mod banned you, you knew why you got banned. With SB, if you get banned, it might not be very clear what the reason for your ban is (unless it's something really obvious, like Ethan's image flood). So you might imagine the reason you got banned was, for example, your unpopular opinions or your sexuality, which could just lead to bitterness and not any sort of "correction" in your behaviour. (Or, in the worst case, you might become afraid of expressing your opinions in fear of another ban, which I don't think was the reason the SB system was installed.) When I was SBed, I honestly thought it was only because I was so strongly and stubbornly opposed to secret boards and the SB system itself. So if you still intend to continue with this system, I think it would benefit everyone to let the banned person know what he was banned for.

think when a person gets suggest banned, he should be able to see all his posts that gathered the 51 SBs.

That's actually a pretty good idea.

tbh id sort of like to see which posts of mine garnered my 25 or whatever SBs

26 or whatever ;)

don't quite understand your suggestion tuomas, can you come up with a tortured analogy to make it a bit clearer please

When I was SBed, I honestly thought it was only because I was so strongly and stubbornly opposed to secret boards and the SB system itself.

Tuomas, if this is really what you thought, it means you don't listen when people tell you stuff, so an indication in any other form of which posts got SBs won't help the matter

I think bannees being able to see which posts got them SB'd and by who is bad and could lead to actual unpleasantness, petty "revenge" etc. - the system hinges on anonymity

maybe knowing which posts, if any, got you over, say, 5 SBs could be useful tho - but not revealing who did them.

What do you mean "people tell you stuff"? No one had told me the St0rmfr0nt thing got me a lot of SBs before Jjjusten mentioned it on this thread. And why wouldn't seeing the posts that got SBs help the matter? Surely it would do no harm anyway, but in the best case it might help some people mend their ways.

(x-post)

that said i would love to know which single post has acquired the most SBs - one of ethan's deliberate Biggie spams maybe (but there were so many, damn vote split)?