Missin U <3 - lamentations for those felled by the SB

wonder how he'd feel about roxy's comedy post deletions?

hate to have to say this but DNFTT everybody

― the evil genius of Zaiger Genetics (J0hn D.), Friday, 7 August 2009 13:43

^^

"a bulletin board I used to frequent" = new ILE description

jesus x, that momus bullshit. way to use a casket for a soapbox, smart guy. fuck that noise.

I recommend a cathartic searching and 51-ing.

― stop me if you think that you've heard this (onimo), Friday, August 7, 2009 7:01 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

actually it would be really cool if mods could block his IP from even lurking here.

I'm sure that would only make him happy, because his "point" would be "proven" then.

Also, as far as I know Momus isn't banned from ILX, so he should at least have the guts to make his accusations here and not in his blog.

ugh for real

momus treating the suicide of a real person as yet another intellectual curio to pontificate upon: tasteless, but ultimately unsurprising. what a heel.

wow, what a reprehensible piece of shit momus is. i mean, i already knew this, i've been around for awhile, but this is confirmation of it.

next time suzy mentions "nick"...ugh, whatever

momus casts ilx as the cold, calculating community that banished one of its own forever, leading directly to that person's suicide, and himself as the noble, caring, moral voice of reason.

this piece of shit has so many insecurity issues, he's still so bitter over ilx thinking (rightly) that he's generally a worthless person that he uses this as a means to proclaim himself superior. just speculating of course (strokes chin, posts blog entry)

i'm surprised he could be that cruel and tasteless towards a community he interacted with. disappointing.

Also hits women.

Just sayin'.

I'm very disappointed w/Momus, I've got to say, really bummed out to read such outright lies. I've dug the guy's music for years, reading that, though, I dunno, I can't see myself ever listening to him again. This kind of building an entire hysterical argument on a set of outright fallacies thing, I hate it, it's fucked political discourse in this country and others, it's some daily express level bullshit, it makes me feel a bit ill. Jesus, what a pile.

YOUR emotions...Nick?

false premise here Kate

― the evil genius of Zaiger Genetics (J0hn D.), Friday, 7 August 2009 13:07 (7 hours ago) Permalink

That's a lie.

I lived with the guy, you didn't.

Oh yeah, he has emotions. But *his* emotions and feelings are not to be brought to the table of ILX or the internet so that he can maintain this pose of dispassionate superiority while sneering at his supposed inferiors.

But fuck that shit, you don't do that with my friends. Mark Craig was my friend. Nick Currie you no longer have the right to be called that.

Tbh, as someone who didn't speak up against Bimble's behavior that got him SB'd I still regret it a little, I kinda think he needed someone at that stage to call him out, otherwise he wouldn't have acted out the way he did, obv that is speculation, but I do appreciate and respect the people who tried to deal with him and find it pretty shitty that anyone would try to guilt them for what was in essence curbing self-destructive behaviour. I think with someone like Bimble there is no way to separate the "good" from the "bad" because a big part of what made him so well liked and memorable was that he didn't know how to edit himself that well, so you just got this huge, compicated bundle of contradictions and enthusiasm and you had to deal with it and it was pretty great.

When I see posters I like -- Tuomas, for instance, who was banned after defending some Flash Mobbers -- being chastised by the hivemind then crawling back gratefully, it makes me think of films starring Malcolm McDowell in which he's thrashed by the prefects and has to say "thank you", or chemically deviolenced then spoonfed by a minister. I may have been somewhat masochistic to join that BB in the first place (they had, after all, slagged off my appearance in a Cool or Fool feature), but I wasn't masochistic enough to stick around for that sort of treatment.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/ostrich_head_in_ground_full.jpg

wait, let me get this straight, he's bitching about ilx bullying on ... livejournal?

dick opera

you have no idea...

can we ddos his blog now?

It's so sad that he's still lurking here is all I'm going to say about this before I get angry.

Saddened and sickened, still.

Seriously. I'm gutted by Momus' post, I'm beyond language

ILX is a veritable treasure trove of images that I'm sure his followers would love to see...

oh have no illusions, any time anybody looks at any picture of Momus, Momus thinks it's a great day

Ah god, why am I even trying to argue with him? I'm off to bed.

xp J0hn: not pictures of the man, but of other things ... or a recreation of 3/5/09

looks like he's got comment screening turned on. wonder how many "dissenting opinions" he's "silencing" ;)

it hardly seems fair to block vi@gra spammers - i mean, they're just trying to make a living, they're just contributing what they have to society

J0hn OTM re: "but he is consistent about it."

This is going to sound like I'm defending him initially, but read on.

In a way, Momus is like the catholic church vs. birth control and abortion here. If the sacredness of all human life is one of the most important dogmas of your whole organisation, it's very much impossible for you to adapt to today's society and suddenly go "oh, okay, rape victims can get abortions" - and you can't just scrap one of your central tenets either, that would lead to questioning every building block of your church. Unfortunately, it's so important to the church that they react in ways that most of 21st century society finds absurd (excommunicating Brazilian doctors who performed an abortion on a rape victim, for instance), because things get so polarised after a while that birth control and abortion manage to become even more important than they originally were and you can't pull back and go "those abortion clinics we told you were built by Satan himself? Don't burn them down after all, that's wrong. We're still right, but don't do it, ok?" - you HAVE to remain extreme until this black/white situation somehow disappears (something else is going to turn up that's more important, probably).

Likewise: if Momus sees the freedom and absolute right of every individual everywhere to express their opinion and do what they want as a central point of his whole community-view, then he HAS to see SB's and laws and punishments and jails and fines as the most extreme evil there is. Hence the absurdly impersonal and speculative link between B's SB and what he did afterwards. For Momus, it's "SEE? I TOLD YOU SB's were the worst idea ever!" - he's not thinking about feelings or friendships at all here.

Unfortunately, there's a difference too. The catholic church is a 2000-year old organisation that can't just adapt to a changed society without denying their whole foundation, so either society will adapt to them, the church will fade away or morph into other organisations with other, more modern building blocks. One individual, however, is supposed to be reasonable and should - if not have them themselves at least - know what emotions are and also accept that just letting everyone do what the hell they please everywhere may be a fine concept in theory, but he could also, if he accepts the reality that communities and societies just don't work like that, that you do have to have at least some agreements, laws and sanctions if you don't want things to get out of hand. Hence what we have here, the SB. It's not perfect, just like any justice system you can find anywhere on earth, but it's fair, acceptable and if you hate the system, nobody is forcing anyone to be here. (If EVERYONE would leave and blame SB's, ok, then maybe, but other than a couple of philosophical discussions, I think most of ILX agrees that it's an acceptable system)

But he's not open to argument or reason and seems to have no respect for the friendships between people and their emotions, so there's no point in trying to convince him of his error: in his mind, he's right and his conclusion is logical. So this "let's go to his blog and shout at him" may be understandable as well, but you'll probably only be used as examples of how emotions cloud people's vision or something.

I don't know what my point was anymore, but I think it's something like this: logically, he has a point (not one I agree with, but then "everyone should be free to do whatever they want and offend whomever they want if they want to" is not one of my viewpoints), but by crossing the line and dragging a personal, unneccessary and named example into the argument he has only himself to blame that THAT is what people react to, not the "SB is bad" point he was trying to make.

(StanM, stop meandering)

We have some editors here, right? Can anyone turn that into something readable? :-)

momus=pope

Thank you!

im still lolling about the dude who reacted to my comment by pointing out all the long and (presumably) pretentious in his eyes words i used. uh dude u r reading the momusblog this should be pretty much home base for u.

"stop using long fancy words i am here to read about the exoticised fetishism of the asian female and how it doesnt actually subscribe to patriarchal ideals!"

Popus?

xp

StanM, you didn't write some gibberish, it's perfectly clear to me. And true. And I admire how you keep your cool in this, because I'm still gutted over Momus' post. Regarding his 'everyone should be able to say anything anywhere'-stand, he's certainly dogmatic about it like a church organisation. I'd be entirely fine with him attacking the whole SB function, I've got no problem with it whatsoever (although I find it a bit sad to do so when he hasn't been around here for ages).
Like you however, I do not think he's got a point logically, because he starts out with a wrong ~ or at least entirely assumptious, without handing over any evidence ~ "fact", namely that Mark committed suicide *because* of the ban. If there is solid evidence for that I sure as hell missed it. Then there's the *fact* that Mark wasn't SB'd, but banned my a moderater ~ much like the Viagra-men on his own website. But reading along the comments on his blog, he simply refuses to take that for a fact and stubbornly sticks to his side of the story.
Why? With what reason? He could've written that piece perfectly fine without including the tragic event that happened. But he presents it's the direct result of the SB-system, which simply is not true. He should have just left it his SB/Big Brother voting people away argument. But no, he had to drag Mark into this, which is completely over the line and so useless, not even necessary to make the point he wants to make. So why then, Momus? I am at a loss, and still sickened by this. I would have though Momus knows this as well, knows he made a judgement error or simply fucked up. Knowing he'd never admit to that is what makes me so angry. I'm gutted by the way he abuses the memory of Mark to make a point.

(ugh sorry for all the spelling errors)

Sadly, I think the fury I feel towards Momus -- and now one of his imbecilic acolytes on his blog -- suggests it's time I took another of my periodic breaks from ILX.

My parting words, if it means anything to anyone: this is a fine, sometimes wonderful, sometimes truly fucking fantastic community. As has been pointed out repeatedly on Momus's bastard blog and elsewhere: the tragedy of Bimble's suicide can never be reduced to "if only ... then" simplicity, and to attempt to do so is not just pointless but actively counter-productive.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm still in shock about what's happened. While I know that rising to Momus's shitty bait is pointless, if I stay here I'm going to keep on going back and getting stuck in an absurd circular argument -- which is daft, because he's too caught up with his own absurd, dehumanised agenda to listen.

There are many truly awesome people on ILX. Everyone who's missing Bimble is very much in my thoughts. I hope everyone can keep talking about how they feel about what's happened, both on and off the board, and move towards recovering from his death. And I hope that -- unlike me! -- you can all ignore the misguided, pitiful words of an idiot with an agenda.

Be back in a few weeks, I guess.

Aww Grimly... I hear you though, and I'm still so sad about Bimble. Momus's blog is definitely not a place I'll waste my time on anymore. And I can see how you'd want to avoid it all together for a whole.

Thanks for your kind wishes, I wish you nothing but the very same. Take care man.

Don't run away, Grimly, ILX needs ILXors to be ILX. Just don't read this thread and you'll be fine.

don't let the terrorists win grimly

he censors comments on that thread to prevent it turning into "poison", right? Seems to me he's already agreed to have sex for money; all the rest is just haggling.

All the best GF. Take care out there lad!

Momus is like some kind of alien, or curious robot - a detached, emotionless Klaatu trying to save us from ourselves, or something.

I could write a diatribe on his LJ as I have one of my own, but I'm not sure there's much point. He doesn't give a shit. Momus genuinely has no human empathy - he's a detached sounding board, a dirty mirror, no substance of his own and no notion that this shit he pulls out of his arse might actually, gee I dont know, UPSET other people.

If he's lost someone to suicide himself then he should honestly know better, and I wish him ill.

am i the only one who keeps thinking ppl mean the other LJ?

leeeeroy jenkins