Missin U <3 - lamentations for those felled by the SB

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I support J0hn D's proposal provided that he means binding depending on a poll.

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Grammy - Best Album Cover 1961

john d's idea sucks, but if we poll it i'd be willing to agree to let the majority of able bodied white male posters who average > 51 posts a day decide in a straight vote.

We don't really get many complaints about someone being banned because a minority opinion, except from ppl who were banned by a lot of people voting.

Really? Because there were lengthy threads at least when Ethan, Morbius, and myself were banned, and many folks criticized the bannings in them.

there were lengthy threads at least when Ethan, Morbius, and myself were banned, and many folks criticized the bannings in them.

in fairness all the people who complained on those threads about the bannings of Ethan, Morbius, and yourself were sockpuppets of mine

no lengthier than there would have been in the event of a mod ban.

maybe morbs and yourself wouldn't have been banned without the SB system, if it were left down to a straight mod decision. your argument that this would be somehow a more democratic state of affairs is questionable, and very likely biased.

(i never sb'd you, tuomas, btw)

Okay, forget everything I've said then. It's all good.

(x-post to John)

But what if it's the decisive vote? What if there's a family of new villagers with 10 kids, and they all get to vote?

― Tuomas, Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:33 AM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i am dying at this extension of the metaphor

keeps making me think of the town meetings in th gilmore girls

if i had to choose between ilx and stars hollow it would not be hard

who would beeps, ava, ophelia &co SB? xp

Hey, you guys are having clusterfuck theories!

i never thought i'd be able to use that phrase in a sentence. amazing. it took like 10 years.

At some point, their parents, one must assume.\\xpost

Tuomas, you are totally Taylor in this town meeting btw

I think we should all get black balls.

Is that like a week's worth of blue balls?

Mine aren't!

LOL

suggest ball

I distrust the SB and would never, ever use it, really, but it occurs to me, if I'm understanding Ed correctly (or even if not) that limiting the number of SBs a poster could make would be a good limitation on their potential abuse.

I think of SB as an abbrev for "sweaty balls" cuz you could eat dinner off mine.

Is that like a week's worth of blue balls?

Mine aren't!

Funny! One in a row.

swingin' bat

soggy biscuit

Really? Because there were lengthy threads at least when Ethan, Morbius, and myself were banned, and many folks criticized the bannings in them.

― Tuomas

by 'many', do you mean the 'majority' of ilx regular users? because if not, then whatever they had to say about your banning isn't worth taking notice of because being less than the majority it's not actually democratic, right??

there would have to be, say, 125 unique posters on a thread complaining about your banning in order for those complaints to have any weight

but if any of those complaints were found to come from posters who had been on ILX for less than a year, they wouldn't count

exactly

but if they have tourettes and live in a village then there opinion will count for 10

their, even

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/9/12010358_aee707bba7.jpg

Like this village?

I have to admit, I don't really use SB that much, and the few times I have used it was just more in a "blowing off steam" way, like I was just annoyed at the moment with a particular poster, so I clicked SB, and it gave me a small amount of satisfaction. In retrospect, this is a stupid thing to do if I don't really want the poster banned from the site forevermore, but it sort of makes me wonder how many other posters are using it this way. I guess the mods have said they can see what posts prompt SBs, so I would hope that SBs like mine have been in the vast minority.

so, on Momus' blog, he claims that several of Bimble's friends are saying that Bimble shot himself (partly) because of his SBing, but that no-one on ILX has the sense or decency to propose removing the SB feature. time for a new thread yet?

link?

http://imomus.livejournal.com/478681.html

Thanks dood

Is it just me, or is that -- Momus's blog -- a fantastically unhelpful, ham-fisted take on things by a former poster who really might have been better off shutting the FUCK up for a little while?

To think I used to have some respect for that man. Jesus wept. What a cunt.

Someone dying seems to be quite anedoctial for him compared to the serious issue of some board policies.

(I'd post something on his site, but why bother? I assume he'll be directed to this. Yo, Momus. Shut up. You prick.)

xpost Exactly.

Actually, nah, fuck it: posted something there too.

I have to admit, I don't really use SB that much, and the few times I have used it was just more in a "blowing off steam" way, like I was just annoyed at the moment with a particular poster, so I clicked SB, and it gave me a small amount of satisfaction. In retrospect, this is a stupid thing to do if I don't really want the poster banned from the site forevermore, but it sort of makes me wonder how many other posters are using it this way. I guess the mods have said they can see what posts prompt SBs, so I would hope that SBs like mine have been in the vast minority.

I think I have SBed four people: Jesse once for lolz because I did not know exactly what this "suggest ban" button was about, Jesse once by accident,* and two other people with the knowledge that my click could be the fifty-first and fully understanding the ramifications of that and being totally okay with it. Both of those people ended up SB'ed from the board either before I even clicked or shortly thereafter, so, yeah. If there are more than four, chalk it up to Blackout Drunk SB Sprees.

*So, um, mods, if you want to remove any bans I have suggested for Jesse, that would be okay with me.

I'm still all for deleting the SB, but you are right that Momus's reasoning doesn't make much sense. Of course you shouldn't treat a person with obvious psychological problems the same way you treat a mentally balanced person, but conforming to such a person's every whim isn't ultimately gonna make things better for him either. As far I know Bimble was treated with respect here. When was banned, the reasoning behind the ban was explained rationally, and it was made perfectly clear that he can return to the board once he's cooled off for a month. There was no nasty comments made about him, no one said that ILX is kicking him out for good. Also, apparently many of his friends from here still kept in contact with him during his ban. I think Bimble got much more support from here than he would've gotten from 99% of other Internet message boards, and blaming what happened on ILX is simply cheap and pointless speculation.

Also, as far as I know Momus isn't banned from ILX, so he should at least have the guts to make his accusations here and not in his blog.

I would hate for Momus to think that he actually "got" to me enough to make me respond like this, because he'd probably get off on it. HOWEVER... although I'm in the throes of grieving right now, and not making very good emotional decisions right now - I am TOTALLY fucking offended by that blog post on a massively personal level right now.

How fucking DARE he. How fucking dare he use the suicide of someone that many of us were actually close to as a fucking political football for his weird socio-political-aesthetic ideas.

How the fuck would HE feel if, I, for instance, took the SUICIDE OF HIS EX GIRLFRIEND and started kicking that around as polkitical football regarding how "artistes" like Momus use their fanbase sexually and economically for their own advancement and amusement?

Huh? How does it feel to have YOUR emotions and experiences taken out of context on someone's blog, Nick?

FUCK. YOU.

Convenient how you fucking EDIT OUT the fact that the people who actually spoke to him on a regular basis post-ban (myself, Kerr, Roxy) noted that he actually seemed a bit better, a bit less easily provoked, a bit more engaged with his friends... naaaaah. The observations of people who actually knew him are far less important than Momus's fucking blog.

FUCK YOU MOMUS.

I've spent a lot of time defending your particular schtick to various people, but I'm done now. This is one exercise in tastelessness too far.

(don't bother hitting suggest ban on this post to tell me to cool off, I'm going off to listen to some mixes and do some work this afternoon until I calm down myself.)

for a guy whos pretty smart momus is pretty dumb

I was going to hit "suggest OTM"
xp

YOUR emotions...Nick?

false premise here Kate

I have no words to describe the sheer insensitivity of that blog post. Wow, what a cunt.

And actually, as the person who pushed the button on that ban I am absolutely fucking furious with that representation of events.

"Is it me who's insensitive...or is it your cruel suggest-ban system, that stifles dissent" etc