Missin U <3 - lamentations for those felled by the SB

Morbs you know if you don't know something you can always ask.

exactly, so people like tuomas & LJ are suggest banned without any legitimate reason. xpost

They post here now, don't they?

they can be really irritating, how is that not legitimate?

the ire that tuomas invokes is pretty hard for me to comprehend

in re: suicide by image-bomb: think about it man. you & some friends are sitting at a table having a talk. I show up, I decide your talk has gone far enough, and start holding up pictures I think are funny in front of your face, one after another. you're still to free to talk! hey, don't let me stop you, you're not obliged to pay any attention - look around 'em! you'd give me a suggest-punch-in-the-face and I'd deserve it. most of the image-bombing was exactly like what I've described: "I don't like this thread any more, fuck any of you who do." suggest ban is a PERFECT solution for people who think their having become sick of a discussion is reason enough to fuck up others' right to have that discussion.

They're banned for at least 51 legitimate reasons!

you can fucking ignore their posts xxxpost

or you can suggest that they be escorted out since they are being assholes. it's what you'd reasonably do at a party, and it makes sense to do it here.

I'm talking about LJ or Tuomas here

legitimate by what measure, though? There's two sides to this, for sure, but I think it's one of the strengths of SB that you can't go all legitimacy-lawyer about it. I watch what posts ppl click SB on, and it's almost universally stuff that boils down to "acting like a bit of a dick". For some people that's being creepy, for other people it's banging on and on about a topic and not actually engaging anyone else on it, for other people it's imagebombing.

Instead of a whole FAQ-load of "things that will get you banned", the threat of SB comes down to "don't act like a dick". You can say that you don't like the defintion of dickishness that the SBing masses are imposing, but I genuinely don't think it's an unreasonable or minority one, at least judging by how it's been used so far.

I know I'm being way more irritating than anyone on ILX ever btw

As for LJ: given that he's mostly stopped doing the things that got him SBs, and has stopped garnering SBs as a result and still seems to be a happy poster, that reads more like a success story than an argument for "SB MUST GO"

And it's nice to see that you've received zero SBs for it.

x-post.

Not by my (legitimate) reasoning, b/c I haven't SB'd you.

I know I'm being way more irritating than anyone on ILX ever btw

I find it lovable and have given you several lovingly-meant SBs in response

hahaha Keith!

haha thanks keith that's a relief actually

And it might point out that arguing your point doesn't get you SBs. Generally being a dick to other posters does.

anyway I guess I've made my ill-thought-out point about 5000 times on this thread, so I'm out till the next SB thread, catch u later

the point of SBs is to forgo argument about what is 'legitimate' and what isn't. there are no legitimacy standards anyone is beholden to, aside from blatant racism or personal attacks or whatever else the mods feel like enforcing. you can post whatever you want. you can be just as irritating to other people as you feel you should be. you can also move to bounce people for whatever standard of irritation they have met in your eyes. if 51 (fifty-one fucking people! that is a lot of people on a not-big board like this) agree with you, or did, at any time, that's as close to any 'community standard' ilx is likely to have.

xps, stet covered this basically

I think John and Goole are pretty much spot on to where I was at with this thing.

anyway I guess I've made my ill-thought-out point about 5000 times on this thread, so I'm out till the next SB thread, catch u later

You know, you don't have to haul it all back out even on the next SB thread. Much of ILX's present-day clusterfuckery is 100% recycled.

I wasn't serious, my ranting days are over

you can also move to bounce people for whatever standard of irritation they have met in your eyes.

this is a thing i really like about it

btw Crutz I think yr new username is A++ hilarious

I'm actually content with suggest ban as long as it keeps providing 51 jokes

i heard when you're SB'ed you go off to ILX heaven where you hang out with 51 virgins

I heard it was 51 happy robots

Not location specific, No rules: Welcome to ILX heaven ??????

51 lunas

Not sure what point you're making with that link, Crutis...? (Serious question.)

Unless I'm mistaken, he's riffing with Que re: the ILX paradise you go to after you've been suggest-banned.

D'oh! Obliviousness overtook me.

oh hey sorry i dropped out of the discussion for a while, but i was like selling stuff and making money (go economy go!)

just a couple of clarifications:

1 - i actually tempbanned ethan when i saw how fast his SB's were skyrocketing, but the damage was done and he kept getting SB votes from new people that came onto the threads
2 - tuomas accumulated a ton of his SB's for making a "funny" link to st0rmfr0nt, for the people that keep holding him up as an unbannable paragon of good behaviour.
3 - for the 50 bagazillionth time, Dom was banned, not SBed. again, i think this confusion comes from the fact that i mentioned the fact that due to multi-usernames he had also earned a SB after the fact, but he was banned by mod action.
4 - Bimble, on the other hand, was SBed due to someone (Matt DC I think) doing the math and realizing that he had topped the 51 mark. i think in the future this is the policy re:multiusernames if we catch it.

not really trying to make any points here, just committed to making sure that all the information is available to people on all sides of the issue

u know the multi-username thing is doubly complicated -- any number of SB's on one could overlap with those on another. i suppose the mods could cross-ref all the SB-ers names. did you?

yep

oh. well done!

wrt bimble most of them were on the active account in use when the most recent blow up occurred, so it was pretty easy to do

1 - i actually tempbanned ethan when i saw how fast his SB's were skyrocketing, but the damage was done and he kept getting SB votes from new people that came onto the threads

Are you saying you tried to circumvent the SB system by intervening because you thought the result of leaving it to act would be incorrect? (Serious question.)

Did cankles actually get SB-ed? I thought he was temp-banned by a mod.

he was temp banned a couple of diff times iirc, sb'd only once

1. i tried to intervene because i thought ethan was emotionally caught up in the moment (dom banning btw) and as a good mod, i was trying to cut down on the collateral damage. and yeah, mods are still going to be mods - i would temp anybody that was going on an image blitz, or behaving in any sort of way that was (and i know this might sound parental, i dont mean it that way) going to negatively impact themselves or others. we have temp banned plenty of other posters for similar reasons - bimble was temped before hitting the SB point as well. not saying i know more than ethan about the way he chooses to post obv, but it would be pretty shitty of me not to try to stave off a ban if i thought it could be avoided. I think it bears noting that seriously, mods are trying to make shit better on ilx, not worse. i would prefer that nobody got SBed. I'd prefer that everyone could manage to post in a way where nobody would SB them. this doesnt mean that SB isnt helpful or necessary, it means that in a perfect world, people would all find a way to work out their differences or whatever. GOOD LUCK USA! ILX!

2. yeah cankles got sbed.

xpost

going to significantly negatively impact themselves or others.

to clarify above

OK thanks jjjusten. I have absolutely no problem with that kind of modding. I think that's all we need, tbh. To me SB is a feature that aims to solve a problem that was never that serious, with a huge amount of collateral damage.

To clarify that, I have nothing but thanks and respect for the huge amount of time Keith has put into ILX, but SB does not solve the problem it was designed to solve (which I didn't perceive in the first place, fwiw). It has instead made things worse: no less clusterfucky or dramatic, less interesting, and a real cultural change for the worse. The wisdom of crowds is an unnecessary compromise when we already have the resources to maintain and police this site well (which mods did before, afaic). A few smart mods is 10x better.

And for what? I'm not a mod, and they tell us things are better from their p.o.v., but then I see things like jjjusten admitting that he tried to intervene before a SBing and I can't help thinking, shit, things were at least not significantly worse for them before this feature. With the help of threads like these, discussion now has reached the point where they've understandably circled the wagons and there is nothing doing, but c'mon. This sucks. I know Tuomas is a bore, but he's right. Sociopathic behaviour should be policed by mods as before, everyone else should enjoy life's rich tapestry.

(p.s. I think adding an anti-SB button would make things even worse. fishing for good or bad attention is the result, and it leads to the kind of cretinous/banal discussion that you get on digg.)

The SB feature always reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons where they all shock each other. The fact that only a handful of posters have gotten SB-ed shows that that worst case scenario isn't happening.

"A few smart mods are 10x better than us retards", I meant.

u ppl u horrible ppl *shakes fist in impotent rage*

I'm not a mod, and they tell us things are better from their p.o.v., but then I see things like jjjusten admitting that he tried to intervene before a SBing and I can't help thinking, shit, things were at least not significantly worse for them before this feature.

That's a bad example to make that assumption off of, considering that the sequence of critical events that happened (Dom getting banned, Ethan going on a rampage, John or another mod temp-banning Ethan) all would have occurred without the suggest-ban feature turned on.