Missin U <3 - lamentations for those felled by the SB

it was precisely ILX's known propensity for clusterfucking which should have made suggest ban an obvious bad idea from the start

again, no offense to keith. but it was a bad idea.

OK, Curt1s, what's your solution for clusterfucking?

it's understandable if the same five people were taking shit on threads like this for it constantly (mea culpa, tbf), that keith might just have taken out the middleman. can't understand why mods are still taking the flack at this stage.

Curtis, I think what you're trying to say is that you think it is a bad idea. I don't think it was a bad idea, and I know I'm not alone here. Without doubt there are people on both sides, but saying "it was a bad idea" is to suggest that your own opinion is the only correct one, as you did upthread.

wait did you mean perform obscene acts with money, for j0hn

YES

I'm sorry, I thought saying it's my opinion would be redundant.

considering how every time someone is suggest banned a clusterfuck happens and nobody feels good or satisfied about it

it seemed to me like you were saying that without SB there would be no clusterfuck threads about bannings. how often does any clusterfuck thread end with ppl feeling good/satisfied. my point was: saying that SB is 'obviously stupid and useless' seems like a pretty weird thing to say, considering that plenty of ppl support it. i get that u think no one should be banned, and that lots of ppl you think are great for this board have been banned/driven away. but. not everyone else feels the same way. i think keith and the mods are genuinely trying to do what will keep the majority of users happy.

Srsly man, on ILX, nothing goes without saying. xpost

it seemed to me like you were saying that without SB there would be no clusterfuck threads about bannings.

how did you get that from what I said? I didn't say it was the only time a clusterfuck happens.

how long would Old Era Tombot have lasted with this standard? People mentioned that my posting "Fuck you assholes" at Demobams was a symptomatic of my needing to be banned, and that was just a clearing of the throat for Classic TB (God bless him).

Most times I tried to engage ppl in a detailed discussion on beliefs and policy

lol

― bodied peanuts (goole)

See above.

what's difference does a few more clusterfuck threads make, then? we don't have to read them if we don't want to.

Old Era Tombot is irrelevant to Right This Minute ILX.

TMI

yes but the concept is that suggest bans are suppose to reduce board drama. but they don't; they just deprive interesting people of the privilege to post because some people can't take their personalities for some weird reason.

I'm sorry if you disagree, but being able to tolerate & perhaps even embrace other people's personalities is one of the few things on which I maintain a firm ground ethically + morally.

lol

who did you SB curt1s?

The concept was never that.

hey look it's tuortis

never mind

who did you SB curt1s?

I don't even remember!

lols.

we need a big public information campaign to get users to use SB properly. that's the only solution, if it's going to stick around in its current form. posters, adverts, the lot.

we have a warning lol

Old Era Tombot is irrelevant to Right This Minute ILX.

The problem is many of us have stayed on the board for 6 years or more w/out paying thorough attention to all this micromanagement, and we didn't get the memo that a cadre of reformers was changing the ILX cultcha.

i remember it were all fields around here

Not sure about that. If the motivation among users hadn't been there, SB wouldn't have made a difference. It's not so much a gang of reformers as previously unheard posters getting a voice.

where was this outcry for SBs? I never saw it. I didn't even remember there were moderator election, apparently. Cuz really, I try to have a life.

Mods aren't elected. ILX has never been a democracy. This was often pointed out during controversial bannings. SBs are much more democratic than ones given by mod fiat, at least.

WHAT? EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. Really, how is 51 out of thousands anything but the tyranny of a sect?

it's always a different sect, morbius

ok, there were NOMINATIONS for moderators. Like petitioning Louis XIV.

This is futile too, huh? Bye.

you over-estimate the size of the active posting community. 50 has proved to be far too high a number for any ILX clique to manage to get someone banned, though some gave it a good try in the early days. xp

Louis LI probably no good as a display name

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can someone with better memory state the full list of those who have been SB'd?

gabbneb
morbs
tuomas
LJ
deeznuts
burt stanton
capn lorax
ade

right?

ethan

plus ethan who opted to not return xp

and dom sort of

o rite

dom (controversial...)

xps

surely stanton has returned tho, under a new name?

3 suspected trolls, 1 occasional concern troll, 1 nudge nudge wink wink brit, 4 controversial yet beloved regs, 1 controversial and unloved reg

Bimble?

bimble was mod-banned iirc

yes but the concept is that suggest bans are suppose to reduce board drama. but they don't; they just deprive interesting people of the privilege to post because some people can't take their personalities for some weird reason.

I disagree with this - I think people are a lot less aggro with each other now than they were a year ago. You're kind of painting everything in a very favorable light - "people can't take their personalities" = "people don't like being called names and spoken to abusively & hounded from threads & trolled relentlessly" etc. I understand that your position is "if a person can't stand the heat, he should get out of the kitchen," but you have got to understand, don't you, that not everyone shares your survival-of-the-most-aggro view?

Not trying to be combative with you, I dig you & respect your position, it just seems like your vision of how ilx ought to work is distinctively yours - for me, it seems clear that things are less unwelcoming than they were, and I view this as a positive development

1 nudge nudge wink wink brit

why single out from contro-beloved regs?

Dom could have been banned without the suggest ban system.