Missin U <3 - lamentations for those felled by the SB

I thought SB's were introduced to reduce the amount of controversy / fallout when a mod banned someone unilaterally?

tza let the man keep talking if he's talking sense

he can talk all he wants, cruts, that wasn't what i was saying.

I'm lost for MY USUAL VOLUME OF WORDS, mmmkay? xxxp

;)

there's still an argument that 51 SB votes is an insignificant amount?

i'm perfectly aware that i'm begging to be reposted in the likely event of my own future banning, but that's bullshit, and the complete lack of a nuclear banning wasteland even in the face of curt1s's own admission that people are sbanning for lols totally refutes this notion.

Elmo - I can think of two or three people at least who would have been very unlikely to have been outright banned by the mods themselves - Morbs is one of those, ditto Gabbneb and LJ.

What it has done to an extent is a) to allow the community to moderate itself AND MORE IMPORTANTLY b) to allow posters to moderate their own behaviour. I can think of several posters who have deliberately toned down the more excessive, rude, or annoying parts of their personality in order to avoid it. In the past, as long as posters weren't being outright banworthy in the mods eyes, they had no incentive note to be as annoying or as nasty as they wanted to anyone else.

This is why I approve of a feature that informs people when they hit, say, 40 SBs - an automatic "look, you're pissing people off now, seriously cut it out" function.

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2008/09/000strangelove.jpg

"Ladies and Gentlemen, the suggest ban feature is simple to understand. . . it is credible and convincing."

guys knowing what i now know about morbs i think we should all chill out with some 420 and watch lord of the rings all weekend and have a blast

I think this is a good idea mentioned on Keith's thread:

a kudos/props/Suggest Unban button, with the 51 resulting in an automatic permaban being an aggregate of the two. last time I mention this, I promise.

― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Saturday, August 1, 2009 3:39 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

btw i have used SB liberally and often, usually for humor purposes.

the kudos button has to be a tiny tynan delong head though

Glad to see you're calling me "Keith" now and not the "site programmers".

n1ck's idea has always been a good idea. the real arguments against SBans are the obscure length of time it takes votes to fade and the lack of a balance option for posters that piss lots of people off but whom others adore.

of course, that could just lead to a cliquefest clickfest. i'm sure if it's introduced a problem would come up within 0.2 seconds.

btw i have used SB liberally and often, usually for humor purposes.

as have many of us! or just against ppl who annoy us. And if we swear off it now, that just leaves it in the hands of the equivalent of Nascar fans.

keith I wasn't sure who was responsible for the suggest ban feature

I wrote it. I wrote all of the software except for the bit that checks your BBCode, which Libcrypt wrote. Stet wrote the Mac client app.

And if we swear off it now, that just leaves it in the hands of the equivalent of Nascar fans.

I don't get all the nuances of "Nascar fans", but that's seems pretty contemptuous of posters who aren't like you.

I can think of several posters who have deliberately toned down the more excessive, rude, or annoying parts of their personality in order to avoid it.

prithee what is this moron blabbering about

<3

posters changing their behavior because 1.08% of users want them too

SB phonies!

1.08% OTM tbh

and even then what the users of the sb "want" is an assumption

yes

what they 'want' is that user to be banned, failing a drop down list. when people start to usse the feature with this in mind, it might be a little more useful.

btw keith I know you are responsible for programming ILX & I have nothing but respect for your hard work and honest concern for the board, I just wasn't sure if the suggest ban specifically was your doing or not. You know that my opinion is that the SB feature has run its course, but that is not meant as an insult to the coding that went into it.

All I can tell from looking at recent SBs is what users want other users NOT to do, and that's very obvious when you look at it.

Thanks. That's definitely a better way of putting it than:

nothing to do with john justen/tombot/hi dere obv but I love how the site programmers ignore the fact that suggest ban is an obviously stupid and useless feature that needs to be removed immediately

― 51 is the loneliest number (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, August 5, 2009 2:58 PM (1 hour ago) [IP: 66.32.209.9: Atlanta, United States] Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what do users want me not to do, Matt?

I am actually very tempted to write a 'Lady, If You Have To Ask...' guide to the top five things that will get you SB'ed.

can you tell what specific post people are sb'ed on? xp

can we ban gabbneb?

can you tell what specific post people are sb'ed on?

Yes, we can.

keith you have my express permission to suggest ban me for posting that shit, I would do it myself but I already suggest banned myself

i think that each time someone bites an SB there should be a list generated with each post that produced a vote, and possibly this should be a poll.

we could call it "gr8080"

oh, good to know. i'll keep my future sb's on the right posts then

Most times I tried to engage ppl in a detailed discussion on beliefs and policy

lol

has Tuomas been banned from this thread or something? how can we have this discussion without learning what Tuomas's opinion on suggest ban is? he is so inscrutable about it and we really need to know where he stands before moving forward

hope he SB's you for that

kudos/props/Suggest Unban button

Hm, I think the SB system is a bit flawed in its onesidedness and I like the idea of some way to counteract them, but a recent Keith post said that the success of SBs was clear from ILX now having less snark and personal attacks, and bitchy zingfests would probably be voted up for bringing the lolz, thus ensuring that slightly annoying but inoffensive posters would continue to rack up bans while being a juggernaut of hilarious spite and creepiness would be A-OK with ILX

but I guess put like that the only response is "well duh, way to be on the wrong messageboard if you disagree", so, yep, carry on

but a recent Keith post said that the success of SBs was clear from ILX now having less snark and personal attacks, and bitchy zingfests would probably be voted up for bringing the lolz, thus ensuring that slightly annoying but inoffensive posters would continue to rack up bans while being a juggernaut of hilarious spite and creepiness would be A-OK with ILX

^^^^

exactly why a kudos/props button doesn't work/exactly why I'm pro-SB

key word: hilarious!

snark can keep you prisoner, fear can set you free.

asc, a couple of things:

1. With the introduction of a time limit on a ban suggestion (which I can't remember the duration of at the moment), it is now very unlikely for an inoffensive poster to accumulate enough ban suggestions to trip the switch.

2. If "suggest props" were implemented, the suggest ban threshold would have to be dropped. Keith just implemented a menu that shows the number of current active users on the boards; we'll have to watch this number to see how it trends and I'd be curious if there are more detailed statistics behind the scenes (like unique users per day, for example) but right now it seems that the board is hovering around 70-80 active users at any given time. It's conceivable that we're actually looking at an active community that's in the low hundreds rather than the low thousands, in which case a 51 post threshold would be virtually impossible to reach.

3. Not all problems can or should be solved by coding a new feature. I would be more in favor of turning off the suggest ban link than adding a new one to counteract it. IMO, the best way to give positive feedback is to post positively.

no no no Dan I am sure you misspoke. the best way to give positive feedback, to any poster, is to SEND MONEY DIRECTLY TO J0HN D.

acting like ilx was a happy great awesome neato place before SB is pretty weird to me. curtis, you make it sound like ilx was innocent to the idea of clusterfuck threads about how this board works or something! i mean, i seem to remember a lot of clusterfuck threads about mod bannings, ppl demanding that bannings get more democratic, etc. the thing is, ppl complain that 51 is an insignicant # to get banned by, but i feel like i see the same handful of posters on these clusterfuck threads, saying the same thing every time.

if i was less lazy and had more time maybe i would go thru each of the SB clusterfuck threads and count names, but truth is: i just don't really give that much thought to SBs. it's not the end of the world if someone gets banned, either for us or for them. this is not the centre of the universe. they can even come back after a pretty short time! (most of the time).

obv, this site will never be perfect - not to YOU, or YOU or even YOU... precisely because there are like a million users. can't please everyone! and what's the total SB number at now? like 12 ppl maybe? so maybe try dividing 12 by whatever huge number of users there are. doesn't seem like SB is having that huge of an impact, when you look at it from that perspective.

pretty sure no one pays keith for his time or services to this site, maybe should cut the guy some slack and not pretend like he's some kind of idiot for ignoring 'everyone's' complaints to get rid of SB.

That was truncated; it was supposed to read "post positively obscene amounts of money to J0hn".

keith hasn't bothered fixing john d's paypal link to his username yet. more lazy coding, IMO.