Missin U <3 - lamentations for those felled by the SB

nah, JJ- he's just pointing out that he's used it inconsiderately, which is the real problem.

i think everyone used it at first just for lolz

pwned. I honestly forgot that I used it!

old gay dudes

I'M YOUNGER THAN OBAMA.

he means old in the "old man yells at cloud" sense

I suggest banned myself for lying btw

also morbs re:mods overturning your ban - the mods collectively decided a while ago not to do this when someone got 51ed. the reason for this is that every 51ed person so far (i think) had at least one or more defenders among the mods, but the whole point of the system is that mod biases (pro or con) get outweighed by the posting public as a whole. we do review the bans for any sockpuppet voting etc, but thats it. just saying this because it isnt a case of mods deciding not to override your SB, its a case of mods deciding not to override any of them.

curt1s tbf part of my pointing that out is spending dire endless years of my life doing philosophy of logic, so im not really trying to strike you from the record as an unreliable witness or anything.

nah I do that job for myself well enough on these threads

was there any sort of mod discussion prior to the sb system being implemented or was it just kind of turned on by Keith?

http://flann4.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/strangelove.jpg

"Gentlemen, the time to implement Directive SB has arrived. Prepare yourselves for the worst."

suggest ban feature turned on 9/11/08 - never forget

the whole point of the system is that mod biases (pro or con) get outweighed by the posting public as a whole.

Not as a whole -- 51 members of "the posting public"!!!.. I'm lost for words. It's just ludicrous.

Is that a scene from 51 Angry Men?

and yet you're still talking!
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I thought SB's were introduced to reduce the amount of controversy / fallout when a mod banned someone unilaterally?

tza let the man keep talking if he's talking sense

he can talk all he wants, cruts, that wasn't what i was saying.

I'm lost for MY USUAL VOLUME OF WORDS, mmmkay? xxxp

;)

there's still an argument that 51 SB votes is an insignificant amount?

i'm perfectly aware that i'm begging to be reposted in the likely event of my own future banning, but that's bullshit, and the complete lack of a nuclear banning wasteland even in the face of curt1s's own admission that people are sbanning for lols totally refutes this notion.

Elmo - I can think of two or three people at least who would have been very unlikely to have been outright banned by the mods themselves - Morbs is one of those, ditto Gabbneb and LJ.

What it has done to an extent is a) to allow the community to moderate itself AND MORE IMPORTANTLY b) to allow posters to moderate their own behaviour. I can think of several posters who have deliberately toned down the more excessive, rude, or annoying parts of their personality in order to avoid it. In the past, as long as posters weren't being outright banworthy in the mods eyes, they had no incentive note to be as annoying or as nasty as they wanted to anyone else.

This is why I approve of a feature that informs people when they hit, say, 40 SBs - an automatic "look, you're pissing people off now, seriously cut it out" function.

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2008/09/000strangelove.jpg

"Ladies and Gentlemen, the suggest ban feature is simple to understand. . . it is credible and convincing."

guys knowing what i now know about morbs i think we should all chill out with some 420 and watch lord of the rings all weekend and have a blast

I think this is a good idea mentioned on Keith's thread:

a kudos/props/Suggest Unban button, with the 51 resulting in an automatic permaban being an aggregate of the two. last time I mention this, I promise.

― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Saturday, August 1, 2009 3:39 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

btw i have used SB liberally and often, usually for humor purposes.

the kudos button has to be a tiny tynan delong head though

Glad to see you're calling me "Keith" now and not the "site programmers".

n1ck's idea has always been a good idea. the real arguments against SBans are the obscure length of time it takes votes to fade and the lack of a balance option for posters that piss lots of people off but whom others adore.

of course, that could just lead to a cliquefest clickfest. i'm sure if it's introduced a problem would come up within 0.2 seconds.

btw i have used SB liberally and often, usually for humor purposes.

as have many of us! or just against ppl who annoy us. And if we swear off it now, that just leaves it in the hands of the equivalent of Nascar fans.

keith I wasn't sure who was responsible for the suggest ban feature

I wrote it. I wrote all of the software except for the bit that checks your BBCode, which Libcrypt wrote. Stet wrote the Mac client app.

And if we swear off it now, that just leaves it in the hands of the equivalent of Nascar fans.

I don't get all the nuances of "Nascar fans", but that's seems pretty contemptuous of posters who aren't like you.

I can think of several posters who have deliberately toned down the more excessive, rude, or annoying parts of their personality in order to avoid it.

prithee what is this moron blabbering about

<3

posters changing their behavior because 1.08% of users want them too

SB phonies!

1.08% OTM tbh

and even then what the users of the sb "want" is an assumption

yes

what they 'want' is that user to be banned, failing a drop down list. when people start to usse the feature with this in mind, it might be a little more useful.

btw keith I know you are responsible for programming ILX & I have nothing but respect for your hard work and honest concern for the board, I just wasn't sure if the suggest ban specifically was your doing or not. You know that my opinion is that the SB feature has run its course, but that is not meant as an insult to the coding that went into it.

All I can tell from looking at recent SBs is what users want other users NOT to do, and that's very obvious when you look at it.

Thanks. That's definitely a better way of putting it than:

nothing to do with john justen/tombot/hi dere obv but I love how the site programmers ignore the fact that suggest ban is an obviously stupid and useless feature that needs to be removed immediately

― 51 is the loneliest number (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, August 5, 2009 2:58 PM (1 hour ago) [IP: 66.32.209.9: Atlanta, United States] Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what do users want me not to do, Matt?

I am actually very tempted to write a 'Lady, If You Have To Ask...' guide to the top five things that will get you SB'ed.

can you tell what specific post people are sb'ed on? xp

can we ban gabbneb?

can you tell what specific post people are sb'ed on?

Yes, we can.

keith you have my express permission to suggest ban me for posting that shit, I would do it myself but I already suggest banned myself