is banning posters for beefing with mods really what we want to do?

chaki walked right back in the front door

that wasn't what got him banned. Some of his CSS bombs are still there, waiting to explode! The problem was he was - repeatedly - taking advantage of security holes for hijinx, and defending it on the grounds that security holes just had to be exposed. We'd asked him a few times to be constructive and tell us about bugs he found rather than being all "Keith you suck have you even read the regex book here look at what I can do to mess with you now" and he never would because he was Loki or some shit.

The last straw was when he used the feature-not-a-bug of admins being able to post any html they want in yellow-cards to hassle a couple of posters, destroy the admin log and cause a general freak-out, the fallout from and cleanup of which took up a chunk of my holiday -- I was trying to fix that one from the airport bus, ffs -- and also cost a chunk of Keith's billable time.

Allowing someone here who just wants to fuck with stuff and repeatedly didn't care how much grief it caused people left me not seeing the funny side.

anybody who reads this and thinks anything other than "yeah, ok, fair enough" is a a very funny person. jw has totally matured and seems like a very solid dude, I dig him, and he totally earned his lifetime ban

lag∞n just wants to observe chaos. not enough to personally cause it or be responsible for cleaning it up, but to be close enough to cheer it on and call ppl affected by it humorless fuddy-duddies

it's generally nagl

some posters just want to watch the board burn

oh come on jw did more than chaos!

ITYM some posters just want to grab their willies and wave them in the air, spraying the rest of us with their teenagey piss.

matlock is on soon folks

c'mon goon you can do a better "omg olds" joke than that you're a clever guy

lol all the old ppl who watched matlock r prob dead now

making the joke itself... a signifier of age

lagunther, central prick

exactly. gotta know your demographics. the olds watch NCIS and big bang theory I think

for those old friends fans

now that we've banned deej and alienated max and jord forever, lagoon counts as an ilx teenager cause no one is left

baz∞nga.

in terms of borad tenure, attitude or actual age? xp

actual age he is now actually 16

cool dude [dubsteps into sunset]

that darn dubstep

if having jw back would make the board more fun and he wouldn't do terrorism on ilx again, what's the benefit of keeping him out? i see 2 possible explanations

1 ppl are still mad about it - understandable from their perspective (and "they" include mods so \o/) but their grudge shouldn't outweigh the benefit everyone else could enjoy

2 we need to be tough on board terrorism & strictly enforce permaban to set precedent and ensure it doesn't happen again - this would be a good reason if there was still a threat of this happening again. also he's been banned for like what, nine years?

if this had come up two weeks ago the same exact ppl would be like "chaki comes back... over my dead body" but now he's back and everyone's happy

maybe he wasn't even being malicious. maybe he was jw.

on the grounds that security holes just had to be exposed.

this 'tude is the worst, though

yeah he cldve just sent an email

kinda think "ppl are still mad about it" minimizes the fact that his actions actively fucked up the site admin's real lives.

i also don't think anyone two weeks ago would have flipped out about the prospect of chaki coming back.

sometimes, having extremely immature judgment produces results indistinguishable from malice. for example, three year olds are often known to bite their playmates until they learn that this is completely unacceptable behavior.

the question is, when a putative adult displays extremely immature judgment that is indistinguishable from malice, how do you teach them that this is wholly unacceptable behavior, apart from treating them much as you would a three year old who bites, and if they reached adulthood not knowing how to act, what are the odds they'll learn.

xp cad- eh i'm sure joan crawford would've taken his sanctimonious hardline on it

pretty sure jw has moved on with his life and is doing fine without ilx; tbh it's a little pathetic that many of you are still carrying a torch for him after seven years or whatever it is

kinda think "ppl are still mad about it" minimizes the fact that his actions actively fucked up the site admin's real lives.
--call all destroyer

i mean, use whatever language is sufficient to express how they feel, the point still stands: if unbanning leaves probability of it ever happening again unchanged, who loses?

last time i saw him he told me he thought he shd be unbanned, that was a couple years ago tho xp

who loses?

and where could we find an instrument sensitive enough to measure the size of the loss?

gawker controversy -> jw unbanned would be an interesting narrative

life is a journey

he posts funny things on facebook

was the uppers thread his doing? if so, we will always have the uppers thread to remember him by

ethan had the right idea. He peaced out and didnt come back and seems not to care less. I envy the man.

fezaffe started uppers

did he get permabanned too?

no idea

probably not

we need an oral history of the noise board

i think fezaffe turned into some sort of crescent symbol, and then disappeared into the ether.

i thought crescent symbol got banned for some tasteless post in re a dead ilxor?

linked this on ilx eras yesterday: http://www.scribd.com/doc/21797466/Confessions-Of-A-Moderator

<3 tom ewing's perspective on noize board:

However, these grafts were themselves small and tended to occur while ILX was still a small community. The larger the community, the more significantly different in-groups may be able to form within it rather than arrive as immigrants. A turning point in the history of ILX came with the formation in 2004 of the ‘Noize Board’, a separate message board set up by a group of newer, mostly younger regular posters who wanted their own space within the ILX set-up.

‘Noize Board’ threads were more anarchic and often a lot funnier and more vibrant than other ILX threads, with shorter responses and a much higher proportion of pictures and cutting one-liners. The new board had a divisive effect – almost all of its members still posted on the main boards, which gradually became closer in style to the ‘Noize Board’. But at the same time several threads on the new board were devoted to mockery of activities and posters from the main boards, which upset a lot of other regular posters.

The ‘Noize Board’ is also a collective example of the “loose cannon” contributor who can effect change in a community. They set up their board in a brief period when any ILX member could start a whole new sub-forum, rather than simply new threads. I know of no other online community that has tried this and I wouldn’t recommend it. But the “Noize Dudes” are only unusual in that they were allowed to successfully formalise their status as an alternative in-group: such groups are likely to arise in any community that reaches a certain size. Alternative in-groups, whether internal or grafted, can have immense benefits in terms of keeping dialogue fresh and questioning in-group thinking, but they also carry risks. In-group thinking, alternative in-groups, and the potential distortions and disputes that arise are issues a community moderator needs to deal with.

lol @
I know of no other online community that has tried this and I wouldn’t recommend it.

...reddit...

ha ive read that before and the deadpan tone is so perfect

But at the same time several threads on the new board were devoted to mockery of activities and posters from the main boards, which upset a lot of other regular posters.

xps iirc and what was permabanned and when invited back, he passed on it

and what just got 30 days, like our pal deej

i don't feel like there are many clearly delineated in-groups now. there are also too few mavericks. imo.

But at the same time several threads on the new board were devoted to mockery of activities and posters from the main boards, which upset a lot of other regular posters who kinda sucked anyway