if an ilx beef threatens to take over a perfectly innocent thread you can politely direct people here.

forget, rather

I will broccoli floret you said that.

i totally feel what you're saying E. some stupid drama ALWAYS comes up with this person and i sometimes want to say something but in the end i know it won't matter.

so there i said something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yw1Tgj9-VU

let's all imagine we're walking through a beautiful forest

why is this baer shitting in my forest dammit

I mean, now it's obv a countdown until someone locks this thread. I really don't know what the answer is but it's tough to sit back and see/read this shit every few months without getting frustrated. It's hard to watch someone get special treatment repeatedly because either they have lots of irl friends around the place or because people treat them with kid gloves for fear of sending them over the edge. I mean I do get it to a certain extent but it's still tough to observe esp when you've been the target of one of their episodes.

baer joeks

I have to get the bus now and I'm not sure that was entirely coherent. I haven't had enough coffee.

i agree, Mordy should be banned.

lol

more than ever we need a "love post" button

enbb otm. in a big way.

http://mavenwire.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SuperUserTraining.png

basically my thing is this; if someone is rude, dismissive, and antagonistic toward you here you should be able to tell them to buzz off without worrying that they are gonna jump off a cliff or that you are somehow contributing to the male dominant hegemonic paradigm. in a perfect world. but we don't live in a perfect world so just ignore their ass forever. figure out how to use that blocker thingy so you don't see their posts.

i've been here ten years. i've got opinions and shit. so sue me.

i knew there was an elephant somewhere in this room.

I hear that to the tune of Thin Lizzy's "Jailbreak"

tonight there's gonna be an elephant
somewhere in this room

lol

scott otm. In a big way.

button, button, who's got the button?

enbb otm
scott otm

How are you expecting it to 'be addressed', ENBB? Should we poll the number of free shots that people she has gone after before get, before we return to "don't be a dick" as the law of the land?

don't really get why other people need opinions about these beefs.

because eventually we all have bad days, and when getting called out for voicing a reasonable opinion (or even a questionable opinion!) we might blow up and create new beef

best approach is to always ignore or walk away, but... bad days

define 'free shot'

'free shot' are what some refer to as buybacks at the bar, iirc

AF - there is no solution because otherwise reasonable ILXORs will blindly defend the behavior and nobody is willing to step in and say, "Hey, maybe this isn't the best way to handle that situation" or something similar. It's like watching someone smash their head against a wall over and over again and, in addition to being boring and frustrating to read, it's mostly just really sad.

it's kind of entertaining because to comment about what's happening in the situation implies a meta-understanding of the personality dynamics in play, and ms. cheesecake has directly demonized anyone who tries to read ilx as anything other than literal and claims to hate any meta-element. but to deal with specific behaviors, you have to have that knowledge.

catch 22

i normally have no beef with ilx beefs and don't fuck with clusterfucks(yesterday and today are the first times i've ever posted here, for example). in this case i'm adding my two cents just because i've seen too many threads go down in flames with someone getting yelled at for no reason and then everyone else standing around with their hands in their pockets because they're afraid to say anything, or even say a word in support of the person who's getting yelled at for no reason.

AF = Algerian Foalkeeper?

every once in a while i have a few drinks and add in an unhelpful snide remark in those threads to indicate my displeasure, but i thought i'd go ahead and openly say "hey, i see what's going on in those threads and it blows"

*never posts again, ever*

ENBB - Bear in mind that the behaviour you're defending here is bringing the beef from ILX to WCC's twitter - how is that better?

zs otm

ZS otm x1000. Exactly and amen.

I mean it's pointless to even talk about for a lot of reasons. I was just really exasperated this morning when I saw that there was another fun round of this stuff going down. In case it's unclear, I'm not necessarily defending Mordy or bullying but rather commenting on patterns that, from my perspective, are difficult to ignore.

wtf af, the behaviour you're defending here is the bringing of the beef from ilx to twitter, what are you on about

x-post - I'm not and it's not. I don't read twitter really so I don't even know what happened there.

and again, it's not people who are the problem, it's not certain opinions that are the problem, it's certain behaviors and ways of reacting that cause issues

treat others with respect, respect yourself, stay in school

Andrew, that is not the read I got on the situation -- was it not WCC complaining about ilx on twitter, and then Mordy responding *directly to her* in that medium? I may have missed a tweet that was deleted or something else, but I think you're directly taking her word that she was bullied on twitter when I never saw that happen. If it did, I apologize for my misread.

So her speaking about ilx situations in not-so-vague ways on twitter becomes "people bullying her on twitter about ilx"? It's a reframing, and not one by others.

nevermind me, i'm full-tilt brony these days...

I agree with you ENBB. Stuff that went down w you was real shitty. Same with dog latin tbh.

tbh I don't even remember the details and I'm not expecting it to actually be addressed in any way. I was just expressing frustration at opening that thread reading more of same old shit (though serves me right for opening a beefs thread to begin with, I guess). I'm sure there are probably a lot of people who feel similarly and a lot who don't but it's pretty undeniable that this sort of thing doesn't happen over and over again with anyone else. Like I said earlier it's mostly just tough/frustration to read though I realize I probably shouldn't have said anything as nothing productive will ever come of it.

"it's mostly just tough/frustrating" rather

you would think people would just eventually disengage w problematic posters and that would be enough "consequences" and/or "dealing with it" for ilx to continue as normal, that's what i expect to happen to me if my shitty side ever overwhelms my tolerable side

not sure why that's so difficult for me to actually follow through on

at this point neither of the people involved in the specific beef being discussed are actually posting here or trying to work out their issues with each other so I'm not sure what function this conversation is serving beyond "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH"

time to draw the beef curtains on this one imo

To prevent the aaaarrrrrgggghhhs of the future!

(but yeah, probability of that is <0.0069%

Ew

mh - yeah, that's right: WCC complained to her friends on twitter about some shit (Mordy's apology for which is here) and he followed her onto Twitter, as if that was a good idea.

I was wondering if some of the newer folk had been unaware of WCC, but it seems like you've all had some experience - which makes the "well I don't know what the deal is, we can kick this football, but not this hornets nest?!?" a little difficult to take.