a specific complaint

Tuomas, it is hard to sum up and identify a why when it comes to suggest bans tho. obv im not going to get into specifics w/r/t any particular posters, but some running themes (in order to be v v careful about not making kate or any poster feel like i am attacking them, i am going to reemphasise that these are not user specific):

1. insults/personal abuse (the more over the top, the more this contributes)
2. NSFWing a thread intentionally
3. argumentation styles that seem to be built on belittling the importance of others opinions
4. racist/sexist/etc.

the problem here is that #1 and #3 (and to a lesser extent 2 and 4) are very much in the eye of the beholder. also, the post that catches the SB often seems to be just the first instance of the users name that shows up - i see who sbs what posts and when - in other words call it a slow burn reaction, but a lot of the SBS will be in a concentrated period of time and probably more of a "oh hey that person was a real jerk on that thread i was reading and im still pissed about it" thing.

btw the number one SB garnering behavior is #1. in other words, if you go after someone all teeth and claws out of the blue, yer going to get SBed a bunch of times, often by people who rarely use the system. and honestly, im kind of ok with that.

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haha I like this psychological sb breakdown

'a look inside the disturbed mind of a suggest banner'

Very true. The idea that a Suggest Ban is "just a cooling-off period" may be true to some people, but for others it might be a totally different experience. It wasn't particularly tough for me, but I wouldn't want to underestimate how it might feel for people for whom ILX is an essential part of their social life.

Also, Kate's points about paranoia should be taken into serious consideration. In the old system, when you got banned, at least you knew why you were banned. So it actually worked better as a "we punish you so you may learn" type of thing than a Suggest Ban, whe're you're left to ponder by yourself what exactly were your supposed transgressions and who were the people who dislike you enough to click SB. I can understand why that might raise some paranoid thoghts, and no way do I see it as beneficial to either ILX or the banned poster.

(x-post to Sarahel)

Other people started getting banned - not people who were particularly vicious or nasty, but simply posters who had "large" personalities

http://staynalive.com/files/2009/11/Kool-AidMan.jpeg

Tuomas, it is hard to sum up and identify a why when it comes to suggest bans tho.

Would it be impossible, when a person gets SBed, to email him/her a list of his posts that made people click SB? If a Suggest Ban is supposed to make you learn and maybe correct your ways, wouldn't that be an obvious way to help the banned person understand what he/she did wrong?

An early warning system is definitely something we've been talking about, but it'll take work. Can't just yellow card, because that'd show up in the admin log.

Giving a reason for the banning is harder to do. It's not always obvious why people have clicked SB, and there'd be a lot of judgement call involved. It also seems like in the majority of cases people know what's done it, or must have an inkling. Posters don't keep their problems with people quiet here, exactly.

Whiney - do you have a private competition w/KBP going for whom can appear to be the most callous about this?

i don't think that was being callous, it was making a joke about myself.

I sincerely hope masonic is doing ok.

xp If Y, can I join it?

people for whom ILX is an essential part of their social life.

anyone in this situation probably needs more than just a 30 day break

I am against the system fwiw and I think it's retarded but the amount of time and energy we have spent talking about what ends up now just being...a 30 day break from ilx? can't we argue about polls again?

sorry to accuse you Whiney.

maybe we should just hug it out.

hey guys we can talk about this, but i am 100% not comfortable with discussing someones specific mental health situation when they are unable to post, so please try to steer towards the general. Kate has every right to freely talk about her own feelings, but that is her choice, and its unfair for other people to step in and interpret them imo.

bunch o xposts

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She DID put them on the internet, jj. I'm not saying I want to be all up in her mental health either, but she published.

hey guys we can talk about this, but i am 100% not comfortable with discussing someones specific mental health situation

when they are unable to post

FUCK, i meant that as a strikethrough

hey guys we can talk about this, but i am 100% not comfortable with discussing someones specific mental health situation when they are unable to post somewhere besides 77 borad

Sorry, Jjjusten, should've read your post better. Still, I think you're making bit of an assumption here:

also, the post that catches the SB often seems to be just the first instance of the users name that shows up - i see who sbs what posts and when - in other words call it a slow burn reaction, but a lot of the SBS will be in a concentrated period of time and probably more of a "oh hey that person was a real jerk on that thread i was reading and im still pissed about it" thing.

How do you know this how the people who click SB think? Maybe they just don't like the person in general, not necessarily for him being a jerk to them, so they click SB on a random message?

(xxx-post)

I only brought it up in the context of the blog post where she talks about it in relation to the sb. Obviously, she's discussed her mental health issues elsewhere on ilx, but since she's not able to respond, it probably isn't a good idea to discuss that without her input.

Kate's s-banning bothers me a lot, as did Tuomas' and Morbius' and gabbneb's...actually, I don't think any of the sbs have been for the best---for me, at least, and I get that others disagree. I dunno, maybe the old clusterfucky "ban XXX" threads were better, because at least they were public. Whatever nasty things were said on those threads, when you're sb'd you're still publicly shamed. I can see why the mods want to avoid having to decide who's a good poster and who's not, and that sb's are supposed to be a way of letting "the people" decide those things. But I think, for a place where your public identity, what you post, is all there is, it would be best to talk these things out, rather than have it be private and easy.

It is sort of Sarah Palin to be all "LOOK AT ME AND MY BAYBEEEE AND MY BEAUTIFUL PREGNANT CHILDREN/HOW DARE YOU REFER TO MY BABY/PREGNANT CHILDREN IN PRINT?"

I don't know whether Kate would have a problem, jjusten's saying that he has a problem with it.

i'd imagine she'll be thrilled that anyone cared enough to discuss it

Well exactly.

except for the woman-hating facists who want her silenced, i mean

I have an idea to actually lower the number of posts required for an sbann. That way, the behavior is more directly correlated with the time out. As i recall, 51 was the number arrived at when an SB meant banishment from the site forever. Now that it is more of a 30 day timeout to reassess your posting style, maybe it should be a smaller # sp shit you did in the past doesn't catch.up with you as easily. I dunno. Just an idea.

I take jjusten's comment as a warning that if we veer into that territory, this thread will be locked and end this discussion.

it's only a matter of time

should keep it open until momus can weigh in

I'm just starting to feel self-conscious about how many threads I end up being the last poster to that get locked, and having been banned before for being "too meta" I'm trying to be conscientious about not doing that again.

kiu

when an SB meant banishment from the site forever. Now that it is more of a 30 day timeout to reassess your posting style
It does still mean this fwiw, it just people need to have a chance or two before it's permanent. If people keep getting SBd and come back with more of the same, it's going to get permanent for them.

i personally invite this "thread lock" because we're going to accomplish fuck all talking about this.

Kate, I hope you're reading this before they lock it. Four important points from someone who was SB'd too.

• 30 days is not a long time.
• It's not really a big deal.
• Most people just click SB because its funny not because they hate you.
• See u in 29.

I mean, shit, J0rdan's probably gonna get SB'd soon, and everyone love J0rdan!

If people keep getting SBd and come back with more of the same, it's going to get permanent for them.

or until Louis comes back with a new screen name, which I always have trouble getting adjusted to

it's like an unexpected christmas when i come home in the afternoon, open the comp, and get to feast on a 150+ post suggest ban analyze buffet

Most people just click SB because its funny not because they hate you.

yeah riiiight

yall i'm goin down so soon - i'm gonna miss ilx over xmas - my favorite time of ilx - but such is life

xp - sb'd u for that

:-)

dont go gently into that good night etc

can't believe jordan is gone

if we all sb jordan today then he can rise again on christmas day, just like our lord & saviour senor jesus christ

do it do it

J3sus C.

rip

i took a month off recently and it was fine btw