Missin U <3 - lamentations for those felled by the SB

I think a lot of problems could be solved if mods just had a policy to email sbanners whenever they see a sb that doesn't seem to have an obvious purpose

i for one think this would be a highly effective use of their time

well, one would hope that the threat alone would change the way people used sbs pretty quickly

(and so there would be substantially fewer to deal w/)

the mods could actually just have a policy to email people whenever they see they've made an obnoxious post - then people would feel shamed out of being obnoxious

yeah maybe the shame thing isn't a good angle

maybe the mods could crochet "bad" users an SB to wear on their chest at home, around the office, etc

any sb-ed post should automatically generate its own poll thread.

i would sb in order to generate mod email

I'm sure Gandhi is a million times more respected these days than the guy who invented Suggest Ban.

poll please

Not fair, there isn't a million posters on ILX.

Yes there am.

I for one know that I respect Gandhi a lot, but the inventor of Suggest Ban has given me lols that will never end so long as SB continues & Tuomas from Finland still lives. Mohandas K., luv u boo but I have to follow my heart.

if i were to set the Suggest Ban link to "display: none;" in caek2.css (i.e. remove the ability to SB someone for the non-SBing Gandhis), would the mods accept it?

Who do you respect more

I wish I had 10,000 socks

http://www.sockdreams.com/_shop/edit/index.php

possible caek.css enhancement:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f325/caek/Picture1-15.png

that'd be a pretty good background pattern

I think a lot of problems could be solved if mods just had a policy to email sbanners whenever they see a sb that doesn't seem to have an obvious purpose (someone being a dick)

if people knew they might theoretically have to justify their actions, I imagine people would very quickly be shamed out of lolsbs?

I guess that's based on an assumption that most people here are capable of being shamed, which might not be the case...

― iatee, Friday, October 9, 2009 7:22 PM (1 hour ago)

actually the bigger problem is that it's based on the assumption that lolsbs are common, and they aren't

The killfile extension still works, right? I don't get why people don't just do that instead. "I won't see this person's posts anymore" seems much less intrusive than "I don't want to see this person's posts anymore, and I don't want other people to be able to either."

actually the bigger problem is that it's based on the assumption that lolsbs are common, and they aren't

fair enough

actually the bigger problem is that it's based on the assumption that lolsbs are common, and they aren't

― FCK R VWLS (jjjusten), Friday, October 9, 2009 3:34 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

You know what post prompted it. You're inferring the reason behind it. :/ don't worry, that's all my tuomasing on the subject for now.

I think the mods have (if by implication only) made it pretty plain that people are EARNING THEIR SUGGEST BANS CONSISTENTLY, regardless of what people want to bitch.

so really we should just stop having this same argument over and over again, and the two most recent victims will be back as of November 7th?

so really we should just stop having this same argument over and over again

NEVER

THE ARGUMENT MUST GO ON FOREVER

FOREVER

is there some "in every suggest ban thread ever" thread that we can revive?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSYV-nEE300

never been clear on who loujagg is.

system is still rotten shit, obv.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/d20npcs/images/thumb/6/65/Ouroboros-and-solomons-seal-woodcut.jpg/300px-Ouroboros-and-solomons-seal-woodcut.jpg

is there some "in every suggest ban thread ever" thread that we can revive?

― sarahel, Friday, October 9, 2009 10:07 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

just so long as the 'i clicked on a thread about suggest bans to tell people to stop discussing them' is well represented

Underlying problem of the SB system:

Trying to quantify something, using SBs, that is extremely hard to quantify (the amount of people/instances that someone has legitimately acted out of line and/or been really fucking annoying, a number that will differ according to who you ask).

Our own justice system the US combines some quantification (3 DUIs and your license is taken away, more than 5 grams of weed and you were apparently intending to sell rather than just get hang ten with your friends) with human judgment - the judge, lawyers, common sense. The problem on ILX, of course, is that if a mod makes a decision on a SB, yay or nay, it's probably going to be controversial and they'll take some heat. IRL the judge at least gets to make real cash money and wear that cool black outfit as a reward for having to make tough decisions. ILX mods only experience the negative end.

The only thing I can suggest is using the SB system as a way of flagging problematic users that everyone hates, but leaving the final ban up to the mods' judgment. If a user has 51 SBs within 6 months, take a look at them. If they're pulling gabbnebbs, give them the heave ho, if they're LJ mk. III, let them be. That's imperfect, but arguably less so than the current system.

pretty sure that's what we've been doing... AFTER each 51'd user has his/her 30 day time out. combines quantitative-based punishment with a human touch :)

and you're all welcome to start paying the mods any time, too! (hah)

I just noticed that you can suggest ban 'system'

what happens if system gets 51 sbs??? poll results kept secret forever??

no poll results for 30 days

kind of like this idea

http://api.ning.com/files/OMmyNnioEpXRAblvlWxSVu6LotUe5Bh*c1n-viCvDO03aX6nMz*4mBsAnnoUjupRl3Y7vwZd1gLs0BbaACRUH6QQXHw9lv8U/az_6320_HELLYEAH_HELLYEAH.jpg

BELLYFAT ?

Yeah it is you insensitive bastard.

No, can't you see the first and the last letters are the same, it's BELLYFAB.

tbh HELLYEAH are my new favourite band. I don't wanna spoil that by listening to them.

OK I didn't spoil that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYEuWctr5no&feature=channel

bellyfab! Suddenly, I want a tattoo.

Part of the problem is that Louis came back after his second banning and carried on with business as usual, and racked himself up another ton of SBs. Once he'd reformed he had such a high SB count and still made people mad from time to time so it was inevitable that he was going to hit a ban again.

I'm not sure what's the right thing to do about it; there's pretty good arguments on both sides: one is that he earned this ban and should have to take it anyway (the SBs he got wasn't just the usual BAN LOUIS types clicking on them, btw); the other is that he's obviously reformed and should be given leeway. I sympathise with both.

I can imagine it would be way too complicated to have a mod look at who has been given a ban, having to take the time to look at why or how could x poster have become so annoying to some and then wanting to reverse the decision, outweighing the 50 others who have decided they had enough. Maybe there should be an appeals committee :-) What a mess.

But lets say if a mod was banned, could he/she reverse that decision themselves?

I guess no one has ever been SB-ed had their ban reversed. Can anyone confirm?

LJ really distorts any arguments for or against SBs, seems a real one-off. I can't see NRQ (were he to come back) ever reforming or becoming nicer or whatever. If SBs were introduced back in 2002 I doubt that, I dunno, Momus/Doomie/Ethan/Dave Q/Blount (just some who I think might have gotten a ban) would have had a good look at themselves. And Ethan was SB-ed right, just decided not to come back 'reformed' as far as I understand it.

SBs seem like a bizarre way of overcompensating for all the times an ILXer who didn't behave all nice wasn't talked to in the past by a mod.

Just a few more lamentations, like...

i wonder if heave ho is reformed yet

can't we unban J0n W1lliams already?

uhh were you here yet when jw posted?

no

i just wanted to add to the litany of rehashed lamentations

oh boy is that ever helpful, tyvm