Missin U <3 - lamentations for those felled by the SB

and the other 99,5% find that person perfectly tolerable haven't realised there's an SB button yet

to more seriously address the question, having looked at the sb votes this time around, very few people that sbed louis the first times were the ones who did it this time (again, prob due to him really working at not driving people nuts with some of his less uh accessible qualities).

xpost iatee, lj isnt getting banned forever, ive made that clear from the get go on this thread

sorry, to clarify, that first part was meant to answer onimos question.

yeah I know, that's why I wrote '(theoretically) does' - in *theory* people should be pressing the sb button because they want to ban this person forever

(but in reality that's not always going to be the outcome, even when they are 51d)

Tuomas I said "how do you decide" because I want to know how that decision is made, what the mechanism is that overrides the DING DING 51 PERMABAN AGAIN switch.

Also "51 posters is something like 0,5% of all posters" might well be true but how often do you actually see more than 100 active users online?

What does have to with anything? The SBs can come from any possible user, not just the ones who are online at the same time.

Thanks for checking JJJ, looks like he really is in three figures o_O

"what does that"

I just think the figures regularly trotted out about how many thousands of ILXors there are shouldn't hold that much sway over a decision made by 51 active users when most of those thousands are dormant accounts or known socks.

This is true every time somebody has to say it.

id be curious to know how many ilxor.com registered users have ever clicked the sb button

I think a running "You have SB'd x People / You have been SB'd by x People" somewhere up page top would be good.

xxxp to myself

I guess what I'm trying to say is there's some sorta moral hazard going - people are aware that SBs aren't always permanent, esp for someone like LJ, which makes people more likely to use them jokingly instead of how they were meant to be used, which makes someone like LJ even more likely to get SBd , which makes the system even harder to take seriously -> etc. etc. loop

shouldn't hold that much sway over a decision made by 51 active users when most of those thousands are dormant accounts or known socks.

But any user can click on SB. How would you know it's just "active users" doing that?

so yr saying the perverse incentive is lolz xp

And anyway, even the amoung of active users is clearly bigger than 100, so SB is not democratic in any sense.

If only somebody had pointed this out sooner.

Seriously though, is it possible for mods to tell the number of users who have clicked SB? Because that would probably settle the issue whether it's just active users doing it or not.

sb statscock

protip for tuomas: it would save you valuable typing time if you just c&ped your posts from upthread every time this comes up

― FCK R VWLS (jjjusten), Friday, October 9, 2009 6:06 PM (30 minutes ago)

I asked a simple question. Is it technically possible to answer it?

How easy is it to work out many of LJ's third 51 were also in his first and second? If there are 30-40 people who SB him on sight he's never getting a fresh start.

There isn't a huge overlap, and 50 is high enough that even the most notorious people here can't get banned just for showing up. I think this particular case isn't a great one to generalise from, because the poster's behaviour changed so radically in the middle. If he keeps on like he is and still hits 200 I think that'd be a much more serious thing, but I really don't see that happening.

I guess what I'm trying to say is there's some sorta moral hazard going - people are aware that SBs aren't always permanent

I've been worried about this from the get-go. It's why I was always so against the people saying "SBs should just be a temp ban" because that does make people click it more lightly than they otherwise would. It can't be a ban on the first time out either, because then you don't get any of the benefits of it sending people a message. Need to be clearer that it's a permanent ban, though mods are likely to let people back in the first couple of times, but it will eventually stick.

(Louis is, again, the exception, because of how he changed. I'd be amazed if anybody else got to 153, but if they did, I strongly suspect that'd be it for good for them.)

Tuomas: No.

itd be cool to be able to see what posts u got sbd for

Ok, thanks for answering.

(x-post)

Doesn't clicking "Suggest Ban" give you an explanation of "you've just suggested that this person permanently be banned" etc? (never clicked it, never will, but since the link is ON EVERY POST, you'd almost think it was something quite harmless)

Please be aware that by confirming this action, you are registering your wish to see this user removed from the site. Once the user has 51 such votes from individual users, they will automatically be banned from the site.

I can see how that would lead someone to think it was something quite harmless.

How easy is it to work out many of LJ's third 51 were also in his first and second?

i was thinking when i read this thread earlier - of the people who have been part of banning any poster, how likely are they to have been part of banning someone the other eight or nine times someone's been banned? i'm just asking rhetorically obv, it would be fairly a useless & pedantic waste of mod time to actually work out

itd be cool to be able to see what posts u cankles got sbd for

― ice cr?m, Friday, October 9, 2009 2:42 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

clue: ones where he used racist and sexist epithets, and/or made personal attacks upon other posters; posts, particularly, where he combined the two

doesn't seem to have been a huge amount of crossover, thomp, though there is a tiny number of posters who seem to SB everybody (except maybe estela though i guess her day will come) so I guess those guys could have blood on their bans for more than one poster. xxp

Thanks Dan. (I didn't know that happened, I never clicked on that SB)

i fucked that post up.

i meant to write POLL after the crossed out "see"

cankles: a more valuable member of ilx than most

Please be aware that by confirming this action, you are registering your wish to see this user removed from the site. Once the user has 51 such votes from individual users, they will automatically be banned from the site.
I can see how that would lead someone to think it was something quite harmless.

― as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE),

sbing is like smoking weed and that warning is like a anti-drug commercial. the warnings seem really scary! until you stop taking them serious cauase you notice that all your friends are doing it and it's kinda fun and nobody seems to be getting hurt and before you know it you're an addict and you would sb your own mother just to get your fix.

thx stet! that's actually the opposite of what i was expecting

whiney you should make that poll but also make a 'which is the best offensive cankles post' poll and see whether the results correlate negatively or positively

i don't know why i have such a fucking hardon for statistics today.

i think mods should let the banned know what posts they got sb-ed over, especially since most people that get 51-ed post a lot, and they could very well have no clue what people objected to (though in some cases they'd be stupid not to realize certain posts are sb-magnets).

If the banned want to share that info with the rest of us, then fine.

xpost
it's the sexy curves in the 0s and 8s

I guess one problem with that is that with certain posts (like an argument w/ somebody) it'd be pretty obvious who that ban came from?

not when more than one poster can click on the SB link for a particular post

right I just meant certain situations, not the majority of them

yeah, pretty sure that when cankles made that "mudflappers" post to Kate, she wasn't the only one to sb him for being totally out of line.

guys demanding a list of posts is kind of going against the month of self reflection you're given to figure this all out!

I think a lot of problems could be solved if mods just had a policy to email sbanners whenever they see a sb that doesn't seem to have an obvious purpose (someone being a dick)

if people knew they might theoretically have to justify their actions, I imagine people would very quickly be shamed out of lolsbs?

I guess that's based on an assumption that most people here are capable of being shamed, which might not be the case...

xp - i thought that was Yom Kippur?

I think a lot of problems could be solved if mods just had a policy to email sbanners whenever they see a sb that doesn't seem to have an obvious purpose

i for one think this would be a highly effective use of their time

well, one would hope that the threat alone would change the way people used sbs pretty quickly