will tim tebow have a good nfl career?

there have even been other bad nfl quarterbacks that played like him

he passes to the scoreboard

if opposing teams had scored the nfl average 22pts in each of his starts he would be 1-4 instead of 4-1!

what are you, a saber nerd

the defense is playing well but i wonder how much of that has to do w/ the fact that the broncos never pass the ball

but they also dont move the ball much so id bet it m/l equals out

right i just mean i wonder if the PPG is a bit misleading

i don't know if he "nails it." my problem with tebow -- aside from a general hate for the florida gators and his pious attitude -- is that he throws an embarrassingly bad pass. it's ugly, almost painful, to watch. he might "be a winner," tho i think mostly he's catching defenses off-guard, but it's just horrible to watch.

what im thinking jordan is denver runs a lot so that would imply fewer possessions than an average game thereby depressing scoring, BUT what if because they suck they dont get many first downs so they actually do end up w/roughly an average number of possessions a game, would be curious to see these actual stats

it's possible

sportswriters continuing to ignore that he is an outspoken conservative pro life christian who mentions jesus at the start of every interview and TALKS TO GOD throughout the game shockah
say, maybe that's why people are so into him? onward xtian soldiers and all that

like whenever it IS mentioned, it's kind of like an "oh yeah btw" but it's at least 80% of the reason he's got america's attention right now instead of oh, andy dalton

well, that and the fact that he was widely considered THE GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER. E-V-E-R

and yet, now, he is the WORST passer of any quarterback i've seen in the NFL.

well, that and the fact that he was widely considered THE GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER. E-V-E-R

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, November 18, 2011 11:29 PM (10 minutes ago)

wait really?

there have even been other bad nfl quarterbacks that played like him

like who?

widely really might be pushing it

i mean, he was considered one of the best players ever, yes. but there was certainly no consensus.

i don't know if he "nails it." my problem with tebow -- aside from a general hate for the florida gators and his pious attitude -- is that he throws an embarrassingly bad pass. it's ugly, almost painful, to watch. he might "be a winner," tho i think mostly he's catching defenses off-guard, but it's just horrible to watch.

i think that's part of what makes him fun to watch!

sportswriters continuing to ignore that he is an outspoken conservative pro life christian who mentions jesus at the start of every interview and TALKS TO GOD throughout the game shockah
say, maybe that's why people are so into him? onward xtian soldiers and all that

yeah that's part of it but these last few games have been endlessly entertaining regardless
i mean i think that people just naturally root for shitty players with obvious flaws but maybe that's just me

defenses are going to scheme to him and shut down his current M.O. faster than they did to Michael Vick in 2001.

from there, he'll either A. work on his passing game and become an actual threat in the pocket, which will make scheming against him much more difficult, or B. he'll have plenty of time to learn the Tight End position

what would be awesome is if they give Orton some snaps too, say on 3rd and anything longer than 5

what would be awesome is if they give trade Orton some snaps too, say on 3rd and anything longer than 5 to a YMCA flag football squad

hey Vince Young was the greatest college player E-V-E-R fuiud

barry sanders is the best player in football history at any level

im just saying the "run, option, and occassional throw" plan could kinda work but I don't know if you can convert a 3rd and long that way

i guess what i'm saying is that i can imagine a successful system with a guy like Tebow taking snaps at QB but I would imagine you'd need a guy with a real arm and probably more talent up front

well, that and the fact that he was widely considered THE GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER. E-V-E-R

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, November 18, 2011 11:29 PM

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wait really?

― mon/ seeya/ chi 2.0 (k3vin k.), Saturday, November 19, 2011

maybe "widely considered" is too strong. but yes. see, e.g., tebow greatest college player ever (about 3,550,000 results in 0.10 seconds

raises a more general, and serious, question for me. how is it that tebow was so good in college, playing in a tough league where many players move on to the NFL, and yet he now looks so inept at the mechanics of the quarterback position in the NFL? put differently, why wouldn't those SEC defenses, dotted with pro-prospects, expose tebow's technical shortcomings almost as well as NFL defenses?

i don't think you grasp the disparity in quality b/w college and pro

i guess i don't, in this context. yes, if florida was playing east idaho state every week, i'd easily see the disparity. but the defenses he faced week-in, week-out -- e.g., LSU; Alabama; Florida State; Auburn -- these are overstuffed with players that he'll be seeing week-in, week-out in NFL defenses. that's the part i don't get.

1. regardless which program most players dont make the pros
2. its all abt the schemes man, the complexity

yeah, i guess. i just checked alabama's 2010 NFL draft picks; it's a good list, but wouldn't by itself result in a jawdropping defense. but that, of course, doesn't consider the other alamaba defensive starters that weren't coming-out in the 2010 draft.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/03/22/tim.tebow/index.html

welcome to the wonderful world of college qb performance not projecting to the pros

yeah, really. so, despite the overwhelming statistical evidence favoring tebow's college numbers over payton and eli manning, tim couch, jamarcus russell and matt stafford:

it tells us that NFL talent evaluators are out of their freaking minds

And yet NFL evaluators, for some reason, aren't sold on Tebow. Couch and Russell are two bona fide NFL busts, even though pro football talent evaluators couldn't usher them into the league fast enough. Yet these same talent evaluators harbor grave doubts about the ability of the greatest and most efficient passer in SEC history to pass the ball at the next level.

Other executives seem obsessed by the trivia over Tebow's mechanics, while overlooking the rather irrefutable fact that he dominated college football like no player in memory and despite the fact that he was, by any objective measure, a much better passer than Couch, Russell, Stafford, and either of the Manning brothers.

so again: tim tebow will be the standard against which all future NFL quarterbacks will be judged.

Tebow was, by any measure, a better player, a better quarterback and, yes, a better passer than any of these No. 1 picks

lol

I love this tim tebow narrative, it's so lol, love watching the highlights, it's like watching a poorly designed slingshot

one big thing imho is in college receivers get open like really open on nearly every play in a way thats rare in the pros, in the pros youre throwing the ball into these really small short lived windows, like yr receivers often not open yet when you release the ball, so accuracy timing and ability to read the defense are all super important in the pros in a way thats never really tested in college

accuracy like aaron rogers has. that's a really good point. it's a skill that wouldn't be as valuable in college if receivers are constantly getting open.

feel like ability to read the defense, recognize that a receiver is gonna be open in one second for one second, is even more important

http://www.allmoviezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Nicolas-Cage-Next-Movie-7.jpg

raises a more general, and serious, question for me. how is it that tebow was so good in college, playing in a tough league where many players move on to the NFL, and yet he now looks so inept at the mechanics of the quarterback position in the NFL? put differently, why wouldn't those SEC defenses, dotted with pro-prospects, expose tebow's technical shortcomings almost as well as NFL defenses?

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:21 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark

you're overrating the SEC. it's of course a very competitive college conference, but it's still the college game which doesnt really compare with nfl football at all. when you're projecting guys you can't overrate 'performance' you just have to look at individual skills

one big thing imho is in college receivers get open like really open on nearly every play in a way thats rare in the pros, in the pros youre throwing the ball into these really small short lived windows, like yr receivers often not open yet when you release the ball, so accuracy timing and ability to read the defense are all super important in the pros in a way thats never really tested in college

― ice cr?m, Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:50 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

well also this is why big-time arm strength is a needed attribute for an elite QB. you need to fucking drive the ball to consistently fit into those tight windows. tebow's avg arm strength + slow delivery is one of the worst possible combinations for making decisive nfl throws

yeah u basically have to have all the stuff to be successful in the big leagues

all fair points. i don't watch enough college football to really know. it just seemed to me that SEC defenses are mostly composed of players that end up in the NFL.

not mostly

certainly a higher incidence of players that go onto the pros, but still most of them dont get there

yeah, you're right, i now see that.

why is tebow's arm so weak - he's a big guy right? how come vick can outthrow him?

and #1 QB picks have, on average, been pretty successful, no?

it also can not be overstated how much simpler the college game is, they have limited time to practice, the coaches arent as good, and most of the players arent smart enough to deal w/the complexity of the pro game

why is tebow's arm so weak - he's a big guy right? how come vick can outthrow him?

― tracy mcgr8080 (dayo), Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:13 PM (1 minute ago)

ime with sports there's not nearly a direct correlation between like, size and 'power' (whatever power means to a particular sport) - it has much more to do with mechanics