college football under quarantine

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interesting implications of a possible new normal:

https://www.theringer.com/2020/8/3/21349611/season-schedule-power-five-conferences-college-football-playoff

But college football is a lot of things, and a season exclusively for the Power Five is few of them. It’s clear that the Power Five teams have needs and goals that differ from everybody else’s. By playing games solely against each other, they will maximize both fan interest and profit. Maybe the Power Five schools will realize this arrangement is financially beneficial even in non-pandemic circumstances. But a few dozen teams with similar needs and goals making decisions that benefit each other isn’t college football. It’s a professional sports league. And professional sports leagues have to pay and provide fair treatment to their players. This feels like a lasting split, and the more bonds the College Football programs sever with the college football programs, the harder it will be for them to pretend they still have anything in common with the distant relatives they’re leaving behind.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 6 August 2020 16:08 (one month ago) link

None of this is a secret. The fact that NCAA Division I football is essentially a semi-pro league feeding the NFL and that everyone is profiting from it but the players has been evident for decades. It is rarely acknowledged by the sports media because it is so ugly and they profit from it as much as anyone else. The players seldom complain because they are so vulnerable to reprisals. Most of them are seen as easily replaceable parts and 'troublemakers' swiftly get the boot.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:14 (one month ago) link

The players do profit if they are on scholarship (and manage to stay on scholarship) and D1 football and basketball "student athletes" also enjoy elite status and other fringe benefits compared to other students.

But the system is absolutely semi-pro at best and at worst, big school college athletics operates (via the NCAA and the major conferences) as a monopoly with ruthless corporate vision. Everyone in the system gets a career out of it except the players, where something like less than 1% get drafted to the NFL and an even smaller number will play more than three years in the pros.

That said, I suspect that the vast majority of athletes at all levels love their experience in college sports even though they realize they are but actors in a circus. They know that they aren't getting their fair share but they are kept just happy enough by the experience that they still participate.

Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:48 (one month ago) link

The idea that a scholarship athlete necessarily benefits from their time in a university is spotty at best. Scholarship athletes are chosen for their athletic prowess, not their academic ability, which may be minimal or even wholly inadequate. Graduation rates have been notoriously very poor among scholarship athletes in the two big money-making sports at "power five" universities, where scholarship athletes are routinely expected to prioritize their sport over all other activities and those who struggle academically are tutored just enough to maintain the lowest standard of required achievement to keep them playing. The NCAA pretends to address this, but their first priority remains keeping athletes playing; learning still takes a back seat, despite gestures designed to quiet criticism.

I will say that scholarship athletes are generally well fed at the training table free of charge, so there's one real benefit they can count on, even if they never earn their degree.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:17 (one month ago) link

What is a notoriously poor rate to you, Aimless? Just curious.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/graduation-rates
or this
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1731218-college-football-schools-with-the-best-and-worst-graduation-rates

Mens' college basketball also makes a lot of money but the number of scholarship athletes is way lower. But the grad rates are very good at the elite programs.

Also, as you probably know, it's hard to use graduation rates as a measuring stick given the percentage of students at, say, LSU who graduate. Hint: at LSU (and most schools), the official graduation rate for students overall is lower than the football teams. But that's partially because the non-students have a higher attrition rate.

I would also add that an enormous benefit for scholarship "student athletes" and "student athletes" in general is that their entrance requirements are, as you note, at much lower academic standards. So, a person can go to, say, the University of North Carolina on a football scholarship and have much lower admissions standards. Assuming that they graduate, which 75%+ of UNC football players due, that's pretty awesome. And as you note, they get really nice living facilities, their own dining hall, have amazing tutoring options, and get to travel the country.

There is a large number of student athletes who honestly cannot afford to go to college even if they have a "full ride". These kids don't have time for jobs during the off season, and there really is no off season. These kids often live far from home and literally have no way to get to and from college. They don't have idle spending money. There are many issues that are worthy of withering criticism and you and I agree (!) that the NCAA doesn't address this with much honesty.

Supporting college athletics even as a fan seems morally dubious I guess.

Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Friday, 7 August 2020 00:37 (one month ago) link

no return of the mac(k)

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:56 (one month ago) link

big 10 cancels season

mookieproof, Monday, 10 August 2020 15:34 (one month ago) link

holy shit

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 August 2020 16:10 (one month ago) link

trump's fucked

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 August 2020 16:11 (one month ago) link

the ACC is saying they'll go ahead no matter what

mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 10 August 2020 16:34 (one month ago) link

pac 12 is canceling, big 12 is on the fence

mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 10 August 2020 16:34 (one month ago) link

at least we still have idaho high school football

I told my wife as fall prepares to start “if I die of COVID (and I doubt I will) at least my sons will know I stood up for doing what is right and going to work & educating and molding young people rather than hiding” she responded “agreed “ ❗️❗️💪💪💪

— Coach Hargitt (@coachhargitt) August 10, 2020

mookieproof, Monday, 10 August 2020 16:37 (one month ago) link

sad about my problematic fave getting canceled :(

BREAKING: The Big Ten presidents have voted to postpone the 2020 college football season with hopes of playing in the spring, per sources.

— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) August 11, 2020

mozzy star (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 18:52 (one month ago) link

more like the small zero

lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 18:53 (one month ago) link

smoll

it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 19:01 (one month ago) link

sm0ll

it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 19:01 (one month ago) link

if this swings Michigan and Wisconsin for Biden then it'll be the best thing the Big Ten has produced since Charles Woodson.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 19:02 (one month ago) link

what a win for the democrats(?)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfJo3OrXgAIICG2?format=jpg&name=small

mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 19:05 (one month ago) link

college football coaches are the worst people in america (#34985859340293849494 in a series)

Lou Holtz tells Fox News that college football needs to play amid coronavirus pandemic this fall: "Let's move on with our life! When they stormed Normandy, they knew there were going to be casualties -- there were going to be risks." pic.twitter.com/zZZ5qrFRFb

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) August 11, 2020

mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 20:06 (one month ago) link

tbf this is the kind of shit that got him fired.

it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 20:08 (one month ago) link

There's going to be a lot of unmolded young men out there!

brownie, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 20:09 (one month ago) link

lou is freaking deranged lol

lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 20:52 (one month ago) link

Georgia State QB announces he has a heart condition from COVID 19 and won’t play this year https://t.co/aH4CawZdsi

— trey wingo (@wingoz) August 20, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 20 August 2020 18:42 (one month ago) link

BREAKING: #PennState's director of athletic medicine, Wayne Sebastianelli, says that cardiac MRI scans revealed that roughly 30-35 percent of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis. https://t.co/md4p1IoaLh

— Parth Upadhyaya (@pupadhyaya_) September 3, 2020

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 3 September 2020 17:06 (three weeks ago) link

oh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiDe5zeXkAQPJ01?format=jpg&name=small

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 17:52 (one week ago) link

cool they can also check for CTE posthumously, this sounds super humane

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:34 (one week ago) link

Guys. GUYS. I found the Michael Scott of college football. pic.twitter.com/NdEvpYFlkg

— Laura Albanese (@AlbaneseLaura) September 16, 2020

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:54 (one week ago) link


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