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seems like we're done for the night. thankfully.

I am told that Damar Hamlin has been intubated and is currently listed in critical condition. @fox19

— Tricia Macke (@FOX19Tricia) January 3, 2023

yeah officially postponed, per schefter

trying to keep finding news but having to avoid the social media cesspool is proving difficult. just going to wait for the next official news development.

coaches and players forced the nfl’s hand here

Per Joe Buck, once officials gave each team 5 minutes to warm up before resuming play, Bengals head coach Zac Taylor walked across the field and consulted Bills HC Sean McDermott. Both coaches then sent their teams to their respective locker rooms. Such a classy move by Taylor.

— Paxton Boyd (@paxton) January 3, 2023

yup. NFL once again made a mess of it, but Bengals were a class act

seems good

Update on Damar:

His vitals are back to normal and they have put him to sleep to put a breathing tube down his throat. They are currently running tests.

We will provide updates as we have them.

— Jordon Rooney (@jordonr) January 3, 2023

this poor guy

yeah can't say much more than that, seems like this is one of those scary random cardiac things and i just hope he pulls through

Ryan Clark doing a pretty amazing job right now on ESPN

no official diagnosis but many cardiologists and arrhythmia specialists theorizing "commotio cordis" which would not have been from existing heart issue, but a hit in the chest just above the heart at just the right time (the same thing that often results in a handful of youth baseball deaths per year). the type of thing where it doesn't matter how healthy you are before it happens.

yeah the Ryan Clark speech was great, much better than what that POS Skip Bayless said (which I won't post)

yeah sounds like a real freak injury but I've heard it speculated numerous times that this sort of thing could happen in the NFL. between this and what's been happening with Tua I wonder if there might be a wave of surprising retirements this offseason

this is definitely the bleakest season I can recall for the league in recent memory. true, there have been horrific moments a plenty in the NFL's history, but the combination of the omnipresence of the NFL media empire, combined with the fresh medical insights we now have that we didn't have 40 years ago (or arguably even 20 years ago) as to what the game is doing to the young players who play it, make these things that maybe we shrugged off a lot tougher to watch. and with that, it's hard not to recoil with horror when we see it with Tua, and now with Damar Hamlin.

apparently hospital PR team going to give an update soon

tbf it's been 44 years since darryl stingley

ugh, that was a bad one

still feel shaken up by this. it reminds me of Owen Hart which I also unfortunately saw live. I was 13 and had trouble sleeping for a week after that.

yeah sounds like a real freak injury but I've heard it speculated numerous times that this sort of thing could happen in the NFL. between this and what's been happening with Tua I wonder if there might be a wave of surprising retirements this offseason

― frogbs, Monday, January 2, 2023 11:13 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

if it's actually the commotio cordis thing it sounds like it's more likely to happen in organized baseball than football, either way cardiac stuff can happen in any sport and while i have no affection for the nfl i'm going to wait and see before i decide if there's anything specific to football that caused this awful situation

someone upthread asked what happened and there was never really an answer ... w/r/t commotio cordis, it was definitely a routine tackle, but Hamlin took a hard lowered shoulder straight to the chest. Backing up, Higging caught the ball going over the middle, turned upfield, and Hamlin met him squarely. Again ... pretty routine. We have all see what appear to be *much* harder hits to the head, hits to receivers catching and turning.

I don't know jack, obviously, but between where he took the hit and an explanation I just watched, it certainly seems reasonable that this is that commotio cordis thing.

Bills just announced that it was, in fact, cardiac arrest, and that his heartbeat was restored on the field.

if it's actually the commotio cordis thing it sounds like it's more likely to happen in organized baseball than football, either way cardiac stuff can happen in any sport and while i have no affection for the nfl i'm going to wait and see before i decide if there's anything specific to football that caused this awful situation

― call all destroyer, Monday, January 2, 2023 11:06 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Logically you're right but the NFL, and football in general, has such a fucked up attitude towards injury; it's "part of the game" in a way you don't see in other sports (except maybe hockey??). It's the one sport where every player who isn't a kicker can expect to sustain several serious injuries and a huge part of football culture revolves around toughening up and playing through the pain. Even after all we know about CTE, even after Aaron Hernandez and the various suicides we still have teams willing to put guys out there a week after sustaining a traumatic brain injury. It's part of the sport. NFL careers are notoriously short (3 years on average!) and you don't have guaranteed contracts like you do in other sports. FOX Sports even has its own injury timeout music! So yeah, maybe it's a fluke, but it's also woven into the fabric of the NFL; players get hurt all the time. You have to deal with it. Ryan Clark talked about this a ton on ESPN last night, you're conditioned to be tough and to believe in a culture of "next man up" but at the end of the day these guys are like a makeshift family and it really messes you up to see them carried off on a stretcher. What happened here is way beyond that; I mean god, I hope he's okay somehow, but truthfully these guys are probably gonna wind up with PTSD from this, and idk how easy it would be to separate this from just the standard brutality of football.

in a way you don't see in other sports (except maybe hockey??)

as a minnesotan let me assure you hockey is every bit as bad if not worse in terms of culture and literally everything than the NFL the only reason it doesn't get singled out is that it's a niche sport.

I kept thinking back to the Hank Gathers situation in NCAA basketball in the 90s. different thing (known heart issue, he stopped taking the meds), but he literally died on the court and then they cancelled the rest of the conference tournament, but his teammates had to play in the NCAA tournament not long afterwards, and I can't imagine how they did it. apparently the first practice afterwards was rough

different scenario, but one of the scarier on-court/field incidents I can remember.

ums otm. as a child i saw an extremely awful & gory thing happen to an NHL goaltender and flashed on it immediately when seeing this last night, and i'll never forget hearing the guy speak on it years later and say that while he was laying on the ice fully expecting to die the only thing he was thinking was the deeply-ingrained reflex that he needed to get back up and show everyone that he was tough and could still play through it

I guess there's one pretty close analogue - Chris Pronger in 1998, who got hit by a slapshot right above the chest, took a couple of steps, and then suddenly collapsed. the good news is he was okay and even wound up playing a few days later but he also didn't receive 9 minutes of CPR.

hope it doesn't get lost that the official word from the NFL was "we'll give you 5 minutes to regroup". everyone just walked into the locker room right after.

― frogbs, Monday, January 2, 2023 8:34 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

btw I'm gonna walk back this post, seems clear now that the refs and/or the NY office just didn't know how serious things were and were just relaying what's actually in the rulebook, there's nothing in there for when a player undergoes a cardiac event like that

also wrt to the nhl this is not a very long page to scroll through

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_NHL_players

I saw Gordon Smiley die during qualifying for the Indy 500 as a kid. That was a f'd up wreck. I was there in a huge Boys Club group in turn three when it happened.

Oh yeah I remember that one…not old enough to remember it occurring but it’s regarded as one of the most horrible wrecks in auto racing (along w/Russell Phillips.) Not that auto racing is lacking plenty of competition for horrible wrecks.

god, imagine if that was Nickelodeon's Game of the Week

because of the word "gory" i assume (perhaps wrongly) OEO is talking about Clint Malarchuk, the hockey goalie who took a skate blade to the neck, slicing through his carotid artery and nicking his jugular vein. i remember that one well, but didn't know this detail from Wikipedia:

The excessive amount of blood that Malarchuk lost caused eleven fans to faint, two more to have heart attacks, and three players to vomit on the ice.

!!

the clint malarchuk thing was insane. only thing even close that i can recall was when mark howe (son of gordie, hall of famer in his own right) was literally impaled on a goal's metal rod

Worst Injury: "I was playing in Hartford and I got skewered on the net. Yeah, so if you look at it in hindsight, I am very fortunate I'm still able to walk. The center point of the net pierced my rectal area and went in about five to five-and-a-half inches and actually had cut out on the other side. So I actually kind of had a hole almost all the way through my body. I lost five pints of blood and was pretty well in bed for four weeks because I ended up with a really bad infection. So I guess I've had other injuries that were probably more painful, but this one here because I lost so much blood. Shock set in. Some of the pain goes away, but it was very, very fearful. I remember laying on the ice and I knew kind of what had happened. And my instincts were, I thought I was going to die. I remember looking up and Nicky Fotiu was looking over me as my teammate. I mean, just the look in his eyes scared the hell out of me."

Yeah alpine static it was malarchuk. I didn’t know any of that wiki stuff either, but I remember there still being blood all in the crease while the backup goalie came out and played out the rest of the game, which was v disturbing

sounds like hamlin is recovering really well! tube removed and talking, facetimed his team etc etc.

that's amazing. I read somewhere that events like this have a survival rate of like 0.2%, I guess if anyone was gonna pull through it would be a professional athlete who got immediate medical care

this is what true leadership looks like, do republicans even know the alphabet

hakeem jeffries just went from A thru Z in his speech pic.twitter.com/7wLi2pcIAu

— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) January 7, 2023

oop

lol urban meyer

what a statement by the miami dolphins

Lmao that was painful to watch

But hey we're in the playoffs barring a Patsy miracle so I'll take it

lol the colts

god bless lovie for going for two there btw

Congrats Neanderthal see you in the Super Bowl

Why would Lovie do that?

"Fuck you, Colts", that's why

. . . for the jazz

It was hilarious to me that the Patriots, Dolphins, and Steelers were tied at one point, cos NFL.com deemed it unnecessary to include ties in their playoff scenarios

if washington wins (seems likely), and seattle ties (which they are with under a minute in regulation), and green bay/detroit tie tonight . . . they'd all end up at 8-8-1 and the lions would make the 'offs

looks like seattle is gonna get into fg range tho

Green Bay’s Quay Walker ejected for the second time this season for pushing an opposing team’s staff member!!