"More Diss" - America's favorite Dystopian pastime 2022-2023

Jags were the perfect team to make a "boring" hire like Doug Peterson after everything that went down

well there's only one bye spot anyway now, so

my fact checkin cuz

(srsly tho, thank you for pointing this out. my sense of the nfl's structure is stuck at various stages of the past)

not a great first half for the philadelphia eagles

kirk cousins 1-9, 8 yards, 1 int returned for td

There goes that Vikings positive point differential

so ron rivera didn't know his team could be eliminated with a loss (which they were, when the packers later won). but that's okay, because he was so singularly focused on winning that he couldn't take 10 seconds to find out what it would require for his team to make the playoffs. so singularly focused on winning that he let carson wentz go 16-28 for 143 yards and 3 picks. so singularly focused that he has three winning seasons in his 12 as an NFL head coach. wait, the NFL has ties? never knew; i was too focused on winning

football guys: so focused on winning that it's a real challenge to get dressed in the morning

Not sure what the issue is. Only thing that matters is winning. Pretty safe to assume Ron Rivera was singularly focused on that, rather than what would happen if they lost. https://t.co/seR9pCXvbU

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 1, 2023

lmao

You need to sit down and learn how this stuff works lmao.

The head coach job is to win every game…. It’s Not to be worried about “if this team beats that team then…”

He don’t have time to gaf about all those scenarios. It’s called CONTROLLING WHAT YOU CAN CONTROL.

— NephewOfTheKing👑 (@BuiltbyRoyalty) January 2, 2023

holy shit what just happened to Hamlin looked scary. he made a tackle, bounced back up, then suddenly fell over and is now apparently getting CPR? the ambulance is on the field. they showed Josh Allen and he was clearly crying. everyone on the sideline looking like they've seen a ghost

holy shit, this is fucked. the broadcast just went dead silent for several minutes. they just cut to the MNF booth in the middle of the game. Buck and Aikman's voices are both quivering. I've seen a lot of horrific injuries in this sport but idk this seems different

how can you ask these guys to keep playing

Jesus Christ

Not gonna seek out the replay, but what occurred? Did he nail somebody with his head or does this look like a cardiac thing?

really think they should postpone the game. really hoping he is ok, but that's a touch beyond your typical injury.

and I don't think it's a given that he's ok.

the play didn't look that bad! he didn't get hit particularly hard. he just fell over. fuck. i've never seen anything like this.

Jesus Christ. Really hope he’s ok. They need to call that game.

Yeah really didn’t look like anything much at all pretty standard tackle and fall, which makes it even more scary

Game postponed/suspended wow

has to be cardiac-related.

if Joe Buck is to be believed, he was clinically dead for almost ten minutes.

Sure seems that way…

I’m told Damar Hamlin has a pulse, but is not breathing on his own. He is being transported to UC.

Needed AED and CPR on the field.

— Joe Danneman (@FOX19Joe) January 3, 2023

the commercials for the NFL they're currently airing "WHERE THE UNBELIEVABLE HAPPENS!" are so fucked up right now

and now a "responsible play" commercial. Jesus

hope it doesn't get lost that the official word from the NFL was "we'll give you 5 minutes to regroup". everyone just walked into the locker room right after.

just the worst thing that i’ve ever seen ona. Football field, genuinely horrifying

the weirdest thing is that the hit didn’t seem particularly rough, just goes to show how extremely violent this sport is

my doctor friend thinks it might have been a cardiac arrhythmia

seems like we're done for the night. thankfully.

I am told that Damar Hamlin has been intubated and is currently listed in critical condition. @fox19

— Tricia Macke (@FOX19Tricia) January 3, 2023

yeah officially postponed, per schefter

trying to keep finding news but having to avoid the social media cesspool is proving difficult. just going to wait for the next official news development.

coaches and players forced the nfl’s hand here

Per Joe Buck, once officials gave each team 5 minutes to warm up before resuming play, Bengals head coach Zac Taylor walked across the field and consulted Bills HC Sean McDermott. Both coaches then sent their teams to their respective locker rooms. Such a classy move by Taylor.

— Paxton Boyd (@paxton) January 3, 2023

yup. NFL once again made a mess of it, but Bengals were a class act

seems good

Update on Damar:

His vitals are back to normal and they have put him to sleep to put a breathing tube down his throat. They are currently running tests.

We will provide updates as we have them.

— Jordon Rooney (@jordonr) January 3, 2023

this poor guy

yeah can't say much more than that, seems like this is one of those scary random cardiac things and i just hope he pulls through

Ryan Clark doing a pretty amazing job right now on ESPN

no official diagnosis but many cardiologists and arrhythmia specialists theorizing "commotio cordis" which would not have been from existing heart issue, but a hit in the chest just above the heart at just the right time (the same thing that often results in a handful of youth baseball deaths per year). the type of thing where it doesn't matter how healthy you are before it happens.

yeah the Ryan Clark speech was great, much better than what that POS Skip Bayless said (which I won't post)

yeah sounds like a real freak injury but I've heard it speculated numerous times that this sort of thing could happen in the NFL. between this and what's been happening with Tua I wonder if there might be a wave of surprising retirements this offseason

this is definitely the bleakest season I can recall for the league in recent memory. true, there have been horrific moments a plenty in the NFL's history, but the combination of the omnipresence of the NFL media empire, combined with the fresh medical insights we now have that we didn't have 40 years ago (or arguably even 20 years ago) as to what the game is doing to the young players who play it, make these things that maybe we shrugged off a lot tougher to watch. and with that, it's hard not to recoil with horror when we see it with Tua, and now with Damar Hamlin.

apparently hospital PR team going to give an update soon

tbf it's been 44 years since darryl stingley

ugh, that was a bad one

still feel shaken up by this. it reminds me of Owen Hart which I also unfortunately saw live. I was 13 and had trouble sleeping for a week after that.

yeah sounds like a real freak injury but I've heard it speculated numerous times that this sort of thing could happen in the NFL. between this and what's been happening with Tua I wonder if there might be a wave of surprising retirements this offseason

― frogbs, Monday, January 2, 2023 11:13 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

if it's actually the commotio cordis thing it sounds like it's more likely to happen in organized baseball than football, either way cardiac stuff can happen in any sport and while i have no affection for the nfl i'm going to wait and see before i decide if there's anything specific to football that caused this awful situation

someone upthread asked what happened and there was never really an answer ... w/r/t commotio cordis, it was definitely a routine tackle, but Hamlin took a hard lowered shoulder straight to the chest. Backing up, Higging caught the ball going over the middle, turned upfield, and Hamlin met him squarely. Again ... pretty routine. We have all see what appear to be *much* harder hits to the head, hits to receivers catching and turning.

I don't know jack, obviously, but between where he took the hit and an explanation I just watched, it certainly seems reasonable that this is that commotio cordis thing.

Bills just announced that it was, in fact, cardiac arrest, and that his heartbeat was restored on the field.

if it's actually the commotio cordis thing it sounds like it's more likely to happen in organized baseball than football, either way cardiac stuff can happen in any sport and while i have no affection for the nfl i'm going to wait and see before i decide if there's anything specific to football that caused this awful situation

― call all destroyer, Monday, January 2, 2023 11:06 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Logically you're right but the NFL, and football in general, has such a fucked up attitude towards injury; it's "part of the game" in a way you don't see in other sports (except maybe hockey??). It's the one sport where every player who isn't a kicker can expect to sustain several serious injuries and a huge part of football culture revolves around toughening up and playing through the pain. Even after all we know about CTE, even after Aaron Hernandez and the various suicides we still have teams willing to put guys out there a week after sustaining a traumatic brain injury. It's part of the sport. NFL careers are notoriously short (3 years on average!) and you don't have guaranteed contracts like you do in other sports. FOX Sports even has its own injury timeout music! So yeah, maybe it's a fluke, but it's also woven into the fabric of the NFL; players get hurt all the time. You have to deal with it. Ryan Clark talked about this a ton on ESPN last night, you're conditioned to be tough and to believe in a culture of "next man up" but at the end of the day these guys are like a makeshift family and it really messes you up to see them carried off on a stretcher. What happened here is way beyond that; I mean god, I hope he's okay somehow, but truthfully these guys are probably gonna wind up with PTSD from this, and idk how easy it would be to separate this from just the standard brutality of football.

in a way you don't see in other sports (except maybe hockey??)

as a minnesotan let me assure you hockey is every bit as bad if not worse in terms of culture and literally everything than the NFL the only reason it doesn't get singled out is that it's a niche sport.

I kept thinking back to the Hank Gathers situation in NCAA basketball in the 90s. different thing (known heart issue, he stopped taking the meds), but he literally died on the court and then they cancelled the rest of the conference tournament, but his teammates had to play in the NCAA tournament not long afterwards, and I can't imagine how they did it. apparently the first practice afterwards was rough

different scenario, but one of the scarier on-court/field incidents I can remember.

ums otm. as a child i saw an extremely awful & gory thing happen to an NHL goaltender and flashed on it immediately when seeing this last night, and i'll never forget hearing the guy speak on it years later and say that while he was laying on the ice fully expecting to die the only thing he was thinking was the deeply-ingrained reflex that he needed to get back up and show everyone that he was tough and could still play through it

I guess there's one pretty close analogue - Chris Pronger in 1998, who got hit by a slapshot right above the chest, took a couple of steps, and then suddenly collapsed. the good news is he was okay and even wound up playing a few days later but he also didn't receive 9 minutes of CPR.