nfl offseason transactions, fired coaches, general nonsense 2012

the point was that "he's an asshole and he doesn't get along with some of his teammates" means close to nothing on the field

― frogbs, Tuesday, July 3, 2012 9:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Of course it does, and that's my fucking point.

The fact that he was suspended for nine games for calling out a teammate as a wimp means nothing to you is mind-blowing.

Of course it does, and that's my fucking point.

I know that's your "fucking point" but you have yet to produce any of that stuff called evidence as to why, or how. Once again; this is hack sportswriting. The same kind that rags on a guy like Ochocinco every time he does something stupid and his team loses the next week. Lucky for you the HoF voters fall for that stuff left and right but if we're going to judge what the guy did as, y'know, a football player, there's almost no way you can leave him out; you could make an argument he's the greatest WR since Jerry Rice!

You could make an argument that you're a pinhead.

how much you benching these days bill?

to be fair bill actually did produce evidence - like the nine-game suspension. for a superstar player like TO, the surest way to hurt your team is to not be on the field

how much you benching these days bill?

― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I benched a house the other day. I dont know, a couple of tons?

to be fair bill actually did produce evidence - like the nine-game suspension. for a superstar player like TO, the surest way to hurt your team is to not be on the field

yes, and I mentioned that it's certainly a knock against him, but, he's had a 15-year career and he's been excellent for most of it

also maybe my memory is failing me but I thought he only got 4 games

frogbs, is there anything that particularly helps you identify with someone like T.O., i.e. someone who you feel could still make a real contribution but ends up just being a pain in the ass?

damn

also maybe my memory is failing me but I thought he only got 4 games

^suspended for 4 or 5 games, then cut

I'm not sure a personnel decision made by a team that's been terrible at handling egos and making such decisions should really disqualify him from the Hall, but it's not as if prior HoFers haven't been suspended ever

Roberto, I know you're just trying to be an asshole but I really don't like T.O. personally, but I still think keeping him out for that reason is lunacy. I'm all for keeping out borderline cases with these kind of issues but T.O. is about as slam dunk as it gets.

sports

you two are providing a doctoral seminar on why hof arguments are the absolute worst. and you're not even doing it with baseball!

dr. morgBS

don't even get me started on the baseball Hall of Fame once Barry Bonds falls off the ballot

can do

you two are providing a doctoral seminar on why hof arguments are the absolute worst. and you're not even doing it with baseball!

― call all destroyer, Thursday, July 5, 2012 3:40 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're right, i'm done with it. Exasperating.

i really think we can work this out if everyone keeps trying

Man you can't even compare the star chamber aspect part of NFL hall of fame enshrinement to baseball's writers especially in the age of the accountant and the spreadsheet.

I'm not saying T.O. wasn't good, I just think he was a really annoying TV football personality (and he might be an ok dude if you know him) and I will guarantee there will be people using the same arguement.

T.O. didn't start this players asking this way. Deion is the one really I think kicked it up a big notch, but other than he was a mercenary that wisely avoided long term deals to give him flexibility in going where he wanted to go (which in a way I kind of admire), the guy outside his side trip to DC and after he was way past on date generally always brought it to the field and while hyping himself didn't seem to drag on his club. The guys have followed especially the WRs have often been more bluster than they were worth. I'm just thanking the football numbers that we don't have to have a real discussion about Keyshawn Johnson being a HOF member, as he was easily just as much a self centered creep. (And to be honest, I'm sure there are locker rooms all over the place filled with dudes that are just as crappy, but hey man, they don't end up on ESPN or the TV all the time for a decade being that way, so they are not my problem.)

I think making everything just about the spreadsheet and whatever stats you can cobble together from the accountant sites has taken alot of the fun about discussing baseball with people as it always turns into some discussion that is more about stocks. I'm not doubting the numbers are enlightening if you are actually a freaking scout who has to game plan but half of the people that talk sxxt about baseball stats I get the feeling really do so more from the stats itself and don't watch that much baseball. I can buy the hitting stats and some of the pitching stats, but all of those fielding stats that they tie to WAR seem to me out of kilter. Then again, I can really only speak with authority more if I see the people play, so while I can admire numbers of some players - I think people talk like this guy is 'great' and haven't seen them play much.

NFL has an advantage there, as there isn't that many games and if you play for a marquee team, you see the players play quite a bit, although to be fair, you don't see them play in isolation every play as the camera follows the ball.

People take football way too serious, it's really just a little bit more legitimate to some extents as prowrestling and the more money that goes into the game, the more like the WWF it becomes and to me T.O. is like the Shawn Michaels of the NFL or somethin'.

There's definitely some truth to that - if you just gave an automatic HoF induction to every baseball player who reached 55+ WAR in their career, I think the HoF would look pretty good without any human input at all. For football - sure QB's and WR's and even your standard issue pass rusher has their own stats, but how many of them are any good at all? Is the guy who gets a lot of sacks the best on the team, or does he only get them because a superior DT is getting double teamed? Even QB numbers are always skewed - his numbers will always look better if his O-Line is protecting him and if his receivers are creating separation, or if the run game is working for him. And OT's can't really be judged at all.

And before anyone says it, I do think T.O. passes the "eye test" as well

i was being sarcastic there, y'all caught that right?

we're not really talking about T.O. anymore

Numbers mean nothing in football. Nothing.

And fuck T.O.

Um.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jznib08T-dQ

what in the actual everloving fuck

needs to be xposted to patritos thread

that was hard to sit through

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/video-new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-helps-gal-pal-ricki-noel-lander-audition-tape-article-1.1112007

WARNING BELOW VIDEO CONTAINS GRAFFIC LANGUAGE

Phenomenal work by Kraft.

Josh Gordon is heading to Cleveland.

Gordon, the former Baylor wide receiver who left college football behind and entered the NFL supplemental draft, was selected by the Browns with a second-round pick today. That means the Browns do not have a second-round pick in next year’s draft, but they do have another young playmaker on offense.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2779/4313467489_ce93312587.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RCtIst13GCY

Vikings vs. Steelers, 1972

http://youtu.be/RCtIst13GCY

Argh I give up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCtIst13GCY

Extremely cool!

that channel is amazing

I love how the wide receivers got into three point stances before the snap.

Also: form tackling.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1261863-rob-gronkowskis-summer-of-gronk-continues-per-bill-simmons-espys-stories

this guy

if i were the type of person who had a ticket to the white house correspondents' dinner i think the only proper response is to attend & invite GRONK

*raises hands* GRONK!!!

if you had tickets to the white house correspondents dinner, who(m) would you invite?

Victor Cruz was on the Daily Show the other night. My oh my is he ever cuet.

Is this the longest offseason in the history of ever? Ffffuuuuu I want football to start now please. Thx.

Browns sign Weedon at $2-mil a year! Steal and a half if you ask me. I'm picking the Browns every week in my survival league this year.

this is amazing

http://deadspin.com/5929273/osi-umenyiora-thinks-rg3-should-be-called-plain-old-bob-griffin

lollll

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8208779/new-york-jets-tim-tebow-greeted-hecklers-first-public-training-camp-drills

When the play finally ended, one fan screamed, "That's why you're No. 2."

Presumably, the fan meant Tebow's place on the depth chart.

The Jets with Tebow are ESPN's new Favre.