bill simmons IS bill simmons IN the book of BASKETBALL

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who's gonna dunk this tome with me over the next few weeks? i love simmons on hoops even when he's challopsy or even just wrong but i think this book might be amazing

sitting in the package on my desk right now to start after cavs/celts when i get home-- thanking u amazon

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link

speaking of this guy, anyone watching that 30 for 30 series
http://30for30.espn.com/

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link

a 30 for 30 thread

a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link

i kinda want to read this - i h8 this guys whole steez but sort of love his basketball writing - o jeez i just dont know - ive never read a sports book before this is weird for me

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 05:15 (fourteen years ago) link

i started it last night and the prologue is a big sloppy bj for larry bird of course, but its supposed to be a more personal intro before the nitty gritty starts up. i think its tolerable even if yr not a celtics fan and there's lots of good stuff. the footnotes are really funny!

i think there's going to be tons of quality kareem bashing too, which is a big plus in my book

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

you should read it ice cr*m, i think if you like his bball writing theres going to be too much fun stuff in here to ignore-- i learned that dave cowens took off a third of a season to DRIVE A CAB

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link

i missed the colts band 30 for 30 but the other two so far have been great-- thought berg's gretzky one was actually a great film, very cool and affecting, outstanding style

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think I could read an entire book of Simmons' writing.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:18 (fourteen years ago) link

i think i totally could - i just def dont have the time atm

k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link

to echo those above, though, it would have to be abt hoops

k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i'm not sure i'll have time for this until like the holidays

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link

freedarko book vs book of basketball

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link

freedarko i have a hard time reading 2 paragraphs - srsly learn writing guys!

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link

freedarko is awful and dumb imo

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't really want to read either of them!

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link

good thing it's a free country, am0n!

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

freedarko book has been sitting on my dresser since the day it dropped, i love those guys tho

a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpk_zOfxkhc

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I think Simmons is definitely at his best when he's doing straight NBA analysis, so I'm enjoying this so far (roughly 100pp in). The Isiah/Vegas chapter is really great.

One criticism I have is that weird semantic thing he does sometimes when he's discussing race in sports; for instance, in the Bird chapter he chalks part of Bird's career decline up to "a wave of athletic black forwards that were slowly making the Kelly Tripuckas and Kiki Vandeweghes obsolete."

I don't think anybody who's read Simmons for a while is at risk of misreading that, but I'm kinda surprised they left it in, y'know?

Conservative HOT Mom! (govern yourself accordingly), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link

The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid.

jØrdån (omar little), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link

I was a big Jimmy the Greek fan as a little kid and was bummed when they fired him. :/

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link

this is a little off topic, but I can't stand the way he speaks on podcasts and stuff - sounds like I'm listening to a college sophomore with a bunch of flattened KEYSTONE LIGHT boxes taped to his wall

囧 (dyao), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link

he's on colbert tonight, should be coming on pretty soon...

a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link

this is a little off topic, but I can't stand the way he speaks on podcasts and stuff - sounds like I'm listening to a college sophomore with a bunch of flattened KEYSTONE LIGHT boxes taped to his wall

― 囧 (dyao), Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:25 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i always liked this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQbcVnsK9g8

candice spergin (cankles), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, if you look at who he's talking about that replaced Bird, Vandeweigh, and Tripuka, et al., he's not wrong. There were a bunch of really good, athletic power forwards who could run, rebound and dunk over a city bus, who happened to be black. The phrasing is awkward, and makes him seem to be placing the race thing a little high in the analysis.

I am looking forward to this book - his knowledge of NBA stuff is pretty amazing, and he tends to do some pretty inventive statistical analysis.

And yes, this dude was totally a douchebag in college.

Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 30 October 2009 16:00 (fourteen years ago) link

the first real chapter ("the secret") is pretty good. simmon's tim duncan reclamation project is almost working on me. ive always found him the most boring superstar and basically hated him for wiping out the fun-n-suns year after year but always respected him as a player and think he's probably a great guy.

putting him in stark contrast now with shaq: four rings on the same team, cycled through good roleplayers that he made great (both did this), still in title contention with that same team, while shaq is now basically a big media presence journeyman...i think i'm convinced that timmy is the best of the era ending right about now.

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Friday, 30 October 2009 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

duncan as the best of his generation is pretty indisputable imo

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Duncan = not of Kobe's era?

B/c -

Four rings with same team
Cycled through journeymen and made them better
Still in title contention with same team

Could also describe Kobe.

Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 30 October 2009 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link

buddy sry kobe is not better than duncan - also shaq was the best player on 3/4 of those teams

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

1 duncan
2 shaq
then kobe garnett et al

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link

says the celts, fan get outta here

anyway duncan and kobe are apples n oranges

k3vin k., Friday, 30 October 2009 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

lol "celts fan, get"

k3vin k., Friday, 30 October 2009 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

as afar as know neither duncan or shaq are or have ever been on the celtics

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link

fan, get as afar as know

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

In school, Duncan was a bright pupil and dreamt of becoming an Olympic-level swimmer like his sister, Tricia.[5][6] His parents were very supportive and Duncan excelled at swimming, becoming a teenage standout in the 50, 100 and 400 meters freestyle and aiming to make the 1992 Olympic Games as a member of the United States Team.[5]

When Hurricane Hugo destroyed the island's only Olympic-sized swimming pool in 1989, forcing Duncan to swim in the ocean, he soon lost enthusiasm because of his fear of sharks.[4]

this is why he's #1

chemical ali v. chemical frazier (m bison), Friday, 30 October 2009 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link

also spurs teams with duncan on them have never won fewer than 53 games (lockout season excepted)

chemical ali v. chemical frazier (m bison), Friday, 30 October 2009 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

buddy sry kobe is not better than duncan

http://hillbilly10commandments.com/images/moses3.bmp

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 30 October 2009 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

huh, i never really think about kobe v duncan.

like kobe used to get compared to his contemporaries like pierce, ray allen, carter, mcgrady, but now that it's clear that none of them are as good as he is, he tends to get compared to jordan and maybe lebron.

they're definitely the best of the nba players who emerged in the late '90s, and both of them started out on teams that were immediately successful, but in terms of position and temperament they're completely different.

circles, Friday, 30 October 2009 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

yah its a tough comparison but i think if kobe goes on a run the next few years with a ring or two and consistent finals appearances before he starts to decline, we'll end up looking at the 08 lakers/celts series as the start of the post-timmy era...esp if TD doesn't get another ring before he retires. i tend to think that kobe's first three rings dont count quite as much *for him* in this kind of discussion because he wasn't the undisputed leader of those teams. even more so than points, stats, etc i think thats what simmons convinced me about-- even on the 99 team with robinson, it was absolutely td's team.

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Saturday, 31 October 2009 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link

bought this book today iirc. chapter one was great--plenty of lols and good writing.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 October 2009 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

bill simmons is sitting in with the commentators @ celtics/bulls rite now

am0n, Saturday, 31 October 2009 01:01 (fourteen years ago) link

not a good voice

am0n, Saturday, 31 October 2009 01:02 (fourteen years ago) link

never heard him before colbert, if anything douchier than advertised

5-23-09 CLUTCH & EVIL LOOK (tremendoid), Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:18 (fourteen years ago) link

haha ive heard him like 100x via podcasts and such, but yeah as much as i like dude he gets frattier every element of him you discover writing -> voice -> irl

k3vin k., Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i don't mind reading him actually, lets you know where he stands and puts teeth into it. entertaining as far as it goes

5-23-09 CLUTCH & EVIL LOOK (tremendoid), Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i remember when he was on colbert a while back, he got booed when he made fun of clinton for throwing like a girl

candice spergin (cankles), Saturday, 31 October 2009 09:33 (fourteen years ago) link

yah its a tough comparison but i think if kobe goes on a run the next few years with a ring or two and consistent finals appearances before he starts to decline, we'll end up looking at the 08 lakers/celts series as the start of the post-timmy era...esp if TD doesn't get another ring before he retires. i tend to think that kobe's first three rings dont count quite as much *for him* in this kind of discussion because he wasn't the undisputed leader of those teams. even more so than points, stats, etc i think thats what simmons convinced me about-- even on the 99 team with robinson, it was absolutely td's team.

This is what is going to make the Western Conf. so interesting this year. They both have good teams and something to prove.

Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Saturday, 31 October 2009 15:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I can't imagine "something to prove" matters as much to Tim as it does to Kobes. I'm not trying to argue Duncan isn't driven or whatever, I just don't think he cares as much about what people think about him. (Tbf, he also doesn't have as much negativity to cope with.)

This part of the sentence is even dumber. (lukas), Saturday, 31 October 2009 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah. That's probably a pretty fair assessment on both of them.

Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Saturday, 31 October 2009 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Have purchased. Have read the first 100 or so pages. Have learned a lot about Boston basketball. Woo, this guy is a HOMER.

Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link

lol, i didn't realize bill had personally dealt with them, jeez

circles, Sunday, 2 July 2023 14:24 (eight months ago) link

i’m completely baffled as to why he thinks this is a unique opinion……. not sure if it’s in this clip but he says on the podcast that he and rusillo and “5 others” believe that scoot is going to be a star

Scoot Henderson is gonna be a star — this is happening. Don’t say Russillo and I didn’t try to warn you. pic.twitter.com/5zbfFw15dn

— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) July 10, 2023

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 July 2023 05:41 (seven months ago) link

very brave of bill to say this

Clay, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 06:33 (seven months ago) link

scoot fell one spot in the draft no one believed in him

lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 11:42 (seven months ago) link

"fuckin carries himself like an alpha" lol cant believe you guys listen to this shit

lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 12:03 (seven months ago) link

shd also be mentioned the "scoot can get by anyone" is far from a settled fact and wasnt even true in the game bill is freaking out over, he took a bunch of short pullups

lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 12:06 (seven months ago) link

he had one halfcourt layup and even that was boarderline transition, could see him being one of those good all around guys who never quite puts it together efficiencywise, a lot depends as it does in the nba on "how good can he shoot"

lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 12:12 (seven months ago) link

i didn’t get to see the scoot game but the way he’s describing him is something you’d typically hear about a player who is closer to being maxed out physically than one with limitless potential

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 July 2023 13:40 (seven months ago) link

yeah def a guy whos more physically mature than his peers, and is also just a beast

lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 13:56 (seven months ago) link

Scoot seems like a fun and charismatic dude. He may have more "star power" than, say, Lillard, who is great at hooping but pretty boring off the court.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 18:34 (seven months ago) link

that bill dialog on scoot was hilarious, dude is yelling at no one.

nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 18:36 (seven months ago) link

inventing a guy to be smarter at basketball than

lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 18:49 (seven months ago) link

look no one is saying this! I’m the only guy! but based on 11 minutes of summer league mark my words the guy who was the consensus one pick if 7’4 kd didn’t exist — he’s gonna be a huge star and nobody knows it

Clay, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 18:54 (seven months ago) link

bill is the king of pretending like he alone thinks a well regarded player is really good (evan mobley is the previous version of this) but the scoot stuff is particularly absurd given that he was by any measure one of the most hyped prospects in years

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 July 2023 19:13 (seven months ago) link

he compared dude to prime russ, rose and cp lmao.

nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 19:37 (seven months ago) link

well he's far from the only one to compare scoot to russ and rose. but that's kinda the point

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 July 2023 19:40 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

This election is going to be the most unpleasant of our lifetimes. It’s impossible to think what could possibly make it wor— pic.twitter.com/diSuJLK4zh

— Isaac Chotiner (@IChotiner) August 15, 2023

k3vin k., Thursday, 17 August 2023 22:13 (six months ago) link

jesus

lag∞n, Friday, 18 August 2023 00:27 (six months ago) link

this one was funny

https://x.com/billsimmons/status/1691930025648369827?s=46&t=delhXlmZBYazm252j4iaFA

J0rdan S., Friday, 18 August 2023 01:09 (six months ago) link

prob what happened more or less

lag∞n, Friday, 18 August 2023 01:11 (six months ago) link

yeah it seems fairly obvious (and predictable!) how it went down

Clay, Friday, 18 August 2023 01:17 (six months ago) link

yeah it's all reasonable my only note is that if philly *did* promise a wink wink deal a lot of these things could be seen as harden's camp (awkwardly ) keeping the pressure on to make that happen. i don't think it's like one or the other.

the one no-doubt thing is that he assumed he had a houston backtop option as leverage until he didn't.

call all destroyer, Friday, 18 August 2023 01:29 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I have a physical revulsion to this word and can’t wrap my head around how or why anyone would use it 5 million times in an article let alone write “let us not pretend the word doesn’t rule.” Wtf. I’m sure Bill personally had nothing to do with this Ringer abomination but not sure where else to put this. Is there a thread about the mainstreaming of 4chan incel culture or some shit?

The Official Taxonomy of Cinematic Cucks

Cuck cinema is having a mainstream moment. Song and her husband, Justin Kuritzkes, have independently written (and in Song’s case, directed) two films centered almost exclusively on the act of cucking. That’s the aforementioned Past Lives, in which Greta Lee cucks John Magaro until they hug it out, and the upcoming Challengers, in which Zendaya appears to cuck Josh O’Connor and/or Mike Faist. (Side note: After being set for a September 15 release date, Challengers has now been postponed to 2024, no doubt for fear of an excess of Hollywood cucking.)

Sure, “cuck” has had a long and winding journey to its current moment in the cinematic spotlight, from Geoffrey Chaucer’s use of “cuckold” to cuck’s place as the insult du jour of myriad far-right trolls. But let us not pretend that the word “cuck” itself, with its monosyllabic brevity and hard consonant punch, doesn’t rule. Let us also not pretend that during the last several years, it has not become (for better or worse) something far more universal, its definition stretching from “insult for a man whose wife is cheating on him” to a sort of catchall for any spineless or subservient specimen.

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Sunday, 3 September 2023 13:25 (five months ago) link

thats some very bad writing wow

lag∞n, Sunday, 3 September 2023 21:00 (five months ago) link

two months pass...

i get why this is the case w/ CEO bill and all, but there's something funny that happens not infrequently on his podcast where he will have one of his employees on and will be like "so have you paid attention to [team] at all this year?" and the guy will reply "yeah you know i actually went down to training camp last month for 5 days for an article on the ringer, and"

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 1 December 2023 21:37 (three months ago) link

you get the sense he may not be the world's greatest boss

symsymsym, Saturday, 2 December 2023 01:21 (three months ago) link

idk his main people have worked for him for years, i think you can make a lot of criticisms more accurate than that.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 2 December 2023 01:30 (three months ago) link

yeah say what you want about him, and god knows one day something terrible might come out, but all indications point to him being a pretty good boss I think!

truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 December 2023 01:54 (three months ago) link

im ready to release some terrible info about him

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:01 (three months ago) link

hes a podcaster

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:02 (three months ago) link

iirc there was something where some lesser ringer staffers had their podcasts taken away and he told them they just didnt have the capacity to produce everything and he gave his teenage daughter a podcast at the same time

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:04 (three months ago) link

Yet somehow Verrier remains.

Jeff, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:24 (three months ago) link

i now make active effort to avoid content from the ringer dot com

polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:25 (three months ago) link

their stuff is so bad, pure slop

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:30 (three months ago) link

they employ kevin oconnor

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:30 (three months ago) link

yeah we all agree koc sucks, but they have some other writers who are good

call all destroyer, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:39 (three months ago) link

they all have the residual stink of bill simmons tho

polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:40 (three months ago) link

feel like every time i encounter something by them its notably unserious but at the same time not entertaining

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:42 (three months ago) link

i leave neither edified nor amused

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:43 (three months ago) link

both teams end up neither edified or amused, who says no?

Clay, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:43 (three months ago) link

lol

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 16:39 (three months ago) link

depends what you mean by "good boss" because I think there's a Peter Principle thing going on with him, he's a good writer (or at least one that can command a large audience) and I think he knows what sports bros want to see but I don't know how good he is at actually running things

iirc most of the Grantland writers said he was a good dude to work for

frogbs, Saturday, 2 December 2023 17:18 (three months ago) link

I think he knows what sports bros want to see but I don't know how good he is at actually running things

― frogbs, Saturday, December 2, 2023 12:18 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

pretty common scenario of someone with vision whos not necessarily expert at the day to day stuff, usually when you see a someone like that build a successful business someone else is just doing the operations things

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 17:25 (three months ago) link

lol didn't mean much by it, just seems like he'd be an annoying personality type. the one thing that I've noticed is that whenever any writers leave the ringer he never acknowledges their departure or existence

symsymsym, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:23 (three months ago) link

i'm sure there are worse bosses out there

symsymsym, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:25 (three months ago) link

he is annoying tbf

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:25 (three months ago) link

my post wasn't to allege that bill is a bad boss, just that it's funny when he has his writers on his podcast and reveals that he doesn't know what they're publishing, even though that is a fairly standard dynamic at a place w/ as many editorial layers as the ringer. it's just that most places like the ringer don't have a hugely popular podcast where its founder speaks frequently w/ his writers

that being said i know enough ppl that have worked for him to say definitively that whether he is a bad boss or a good boss depends on who you are talking to. there is a core group of people who have been w/ him for ages, there are also people who have found working for him untenable and have parted on bad terms. this is prob a fairly common dynamic among bosses.

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:32 (three months ago) link

why do the untenable people find it untenable

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:35 (three months ago) link

i don't think you have to know anyone behind the scenes to say that bill can be petty and vindictive. he deals w/ conflict in a way that can feel righteous when his opponent is ESPN and disney -- it's far more problematic when he is managing employees. i know that when the ringer union was forming, some people who were very active & vocal in the union drive felt that he was doing stuff like no longer tweeting out links to their stories from his personal account etc. boss fighting union is not exactly a breaking news story but there were some ppl there who felt like he was taking it to a more personal level

there's also just stuff like, the ringer having very few black people on staff, bill being confronted about this by his staff, and then his response being to hire ppl like raja bell and cc sabathia to host podcasts. like...

Above all, the four former employees said, it was difficult for black staff members to win more responsibility and visibility at the company — especially since late 2017, when company leaders appeared to make podcasting a priority. At that point, they said, top editors started claiming shows for themselves.

The outlet’s popular R3w4tch4bl3s podcast, in which staff members revisit old movies, led by Mr. Simmons, allowed for a variety of guests when it started. By the spring of 2018, the ensemble approach faded as the show came to rely more on Mr. Simmons along with S34n F3nn3ss3y and Chr1s Ry4n, both founding editors who are white.

“The Rewatchables was pitched as, ‘Let’s get the rest of you participating in podcasts,’” Mr. Collins said. “It very quickly became Sean, Bill and Chris.”

Mr. Simmons said by email that the company needed to spotlight its best podcasters. “It’s a business,” he said. “This isn’t Open Mic Night.”

responding to concerns by your (at the time) handful of black employees that there wasn't enough room for advancement by saying, to the new york times, that you aren't hosting an open mic night is a style of management that, um, isn't going to work for everyone. again this is the kinda thing that works when you're the david, not the goliath. but i think he always sees himself as the former despite having been the latter for quite some time.

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:52 (three months ago) link

good post thank you

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:54 (three months ago) link


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