bill simmons IS bill simmons IN the book of BASKETBALL

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...the movie

who's gonna dunk this tome with me over the next few weeks? i love simmons on hoops even when he's challopsy or even just wrong but i think this book might be amazing

sitting in the package on my desk right now to start after cavs/celts when i get home-- thanking u amazon

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 23:24 (nine years ago) link

speaking of this guy, anyone watching that 30 for 30 series
http://30for30.espn.com/

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 00:59 (nine years ago) link

a 30 for 30 thread

a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 01:48 (nine years ago) link

i kinda want to read this - i h8 this guys whole steez but sort of love his basketball writing - o jeez i just dont know - ive never read a sports book before this is weird for me

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 05:15 (nine years ago) link

i started it last night and the prologue is a big sloppy bj for larry bird of course, but its supposed to be a more personal intro before the nitty gritty starts up. i think its tolerable even if yr not a celtics fan and there's lots of good stuff. the footnotes are really funny!

i think there's going to be tons of quality kareem bashing too, which is a big plus in my book

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:54 (nine years ago) link

you should read it ice cr*m, i think if you like his bball writing theres going to be too much fun stuff in here to ignore-- i learned that dave cowens took off a third of a season to DRIVE A CAB

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:55 (nine years ago) link

i missed the colts band 30 for 30 but the other two so far have been great-- thought berg's gretzky one was actually a great film, very cool and affecting, outstanding style

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:56 (nine years ago) link

I don't think I could read an entire book of Simmons' writing.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:18 (nine years ago) link

i think i totally could - i just def dont have the time atm

k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:19 (nine years ago) link

to echo those above, though, it would have to be abt hoops

k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:20 (nine years ago) link

yeah i'm not sure i'll have time for this until like the holidays

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:25 (nine years ago) link

freedarko book vs book of basketball

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:12 (nine years ago) link

freedarko i have a hard time reading 2 paragraphs - srsly learn writing guys!

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:13 (nine years ago) link

freedarko is awful and dumb imo

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:24 (nine years ago) link

i don't really want to read either of them!

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:25 (nine years ago) link

good thing it's a free country, am0n!

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:34 (nine years ago) link

freedarko book has been sitting on my dresser since the day it dropped, i love those guys tho

a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:53 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpk_zOfxkhc

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:59 (nine years ago) link

I think Simmons is definitely at his best when he's doing straight NBA analysis, so I'm enjoying this so far (roughly 100pp in). The Isiah/Vegas chapter is really great.

One criticism I have is that weird semantic thing he does sometimes when he's discussing race in sports; for instance, in the Bird chapter he chalks part of Bird's career decline up to "a wave of athletic black forwards that were slowly making the Kelly Tripuckas and Kiki Vandeweghes obsolete."

I don't think anybody who's read Simmons for a while is at risk of misreading that, but I'm kinda surprised they left it in, y'know?

Conservative HOT Mom! (govern yourself accordingly), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:11 (nine years ago) link

The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid.

jØrdån (omar little), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:13 (nine years ago) link

I was a big Jimmy the Greek fan as a little kid and was bummed when they fired him. :/

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:32 (nine years ago) link

this is a little off topic, but I can't stand the way he speaks on podcasts and stuff - sounds like I'm listening to a college sophomore with a bunch of flattened KEYSTONE LIGHT boxes taped to his wall

囧 (dyao), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:25 (nine years ago) link

he's on colbert tonight, should be coming on pretty soon...

a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:41 (nine years ago) link

this is a little off topic, but I can't stand the way he speaks on podcasts and stuff - sounds like I'm listening to a college sophomore with a bunch of flattened KEYSTONE LIGHT boxes taped to his wall

― 囧 (dyao), Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:25 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i always liked this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQbcVnsK9g8

candice spergin (cankles), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:47 (nine years ago) link

Well, if you look at who he's talking about that replaced Bird, Vandeweigh, and Tripuka, et al., he's not wrong. There were a bunch of really good, athletic power forwards who could run, rebound and dunk over a city bus, who happened to be black. The phrasing is awkward, and makes him seem to be placing the race thing a little high in the analysis.

I am looking forward to this book - his knowledge of NBA stuff is pretty amazing, and he tends to do some pretty inventive statistical analysis.

And yes, this dude was totally a douchebag in college.

Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 30 October 2009 16:00 (nine years ago) link

the first real chapter ("the secret") is pretty good. simmon's tim duncan reclamation project is almost working on me. ive always found him the most boring superstar and basically hated him for wiping out the fun-n-suns year after year but always respected him as a player and think he's probably a great guy.

putting him in stark contrast now with shaq: four rings on the same team, cycled through good roleplayers that he made great (both did this), still in title contention with that same team, while shaq is now basically a big media presence journeyman...i think i'm convinced that timmy is the best of the era ending right about now.

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Friday, 30 October 2009 16:40 (nine years ago) link

duncan as the best of his generation is pretty indisputable imo

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 16:52 (nine years ago) link

Duncan = not of Kobe's era?

B/c -

Four rings with same team
Cycled through journeymen and made them better
Still in title contention with same team

Could also describe Kobe.

Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 30 October 2009 20:21 (nine years ago) link

buddy sry kobe is not better than duncan - also shaq was the best player on 3/4 of those teams

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:26 (nine years ago) link

1 duncan
2 shaq
then kobe garnett et al

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:28 (nine years ago) link

says the celts, fan get outta here

anyway duncan and kobe are apples n oranges

k3vin k., Friday, 30 October 2009 20:49 (nine years ago) link

lol "celts fan, get"

k3vin k., Friday, 30 October 2009 20:49 (nine years ago) link

as afar as know neither duncan or shaq are or have ever been on the celtics

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:50 (nine years ago) link

fan, get as afar as know

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:51 (nine years ago) link

In school, Duncan was a bright pupil and dreamt of becoming an Olympic-level swimmer like his sister, Tricia.[5][6] His parents were very supportive and Duncan excelled at swimming, becoming a teenage standout in the 50, 100 and 400 meters freestyle and aiming to make the 1992 Olympic Games as a member of the United States Team.[5]

When Hurricane Hugo destroyed the island's only Olympic-sized swimming pool in 1989, forcing Duncan to swim in the ocean, he soon lost enthusiasm because of his fear of sharks.[4]

this is why he's #1

chemical ali v. chemical frazier (m bison), Friday, 30 October 2009 21:19 (nine years ago) link

also spurs teams with duncan on them have never won fewer than 53 games (lockout season excepted)

chemical ali v. chemical frazier (m bison), Friday, 30 October 2009 21:28 (nine years ago) link

buddy sry kobe is not better than duncan

http://hillbilly10commandments.com/images/moses3.bmp

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 30 October 2009 22:31 (nine years ago) link

huh, i never really think about kobe v duncan.

like kobe used to get compared to his contemporaries like pierce, ray allen, carter, mcgrady, but now that it's clear that none of them are as good as he is, he tends to get compared to jordan and maybe lebron.

they're definitely the best of the nba players who emerged in the late '90s, and both of them started out on teams that were immediately successful, but in terms of position and temperament they're completely different.

circles, Friday, 30 October 2009 22:44 (nine years ago) link

yah its a tough comparison but i think if kobe goes on a run the next few years with a ring or two and consistent finals appearances before he starts to decline, we'll end up looking at the 08 lakers/celts series as the start of the post-timmy era...esp if TD doesn't get another ring before he retires. i tend to think that kobe's first three rings dont count quite as much *for him* in this kind of discussion because he wasn't the undisputed leader of those teams. even more so than points, stats, etc i think thats what simmons convinced me about-- even on the 99 team with robinson, it was absolutely td's team.

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Saturday, 31 October 2009 00:11 (nine years ago) link

bought this book today iirc. chapter one was great--plenty of lols and good writing.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 October 2009 00:20 (nine years ago) link

bill simmons is sitting in with the commentators @ celtics/bulls rite now

am0n, Saturday, 31 October 2009 01:01 (nine years ago) link

not a good voice

am0n, Saturday, 31 October 2009 01:02 (nine years ago) link

never heard him before colbert, if anything douchier than advertised

5-23-09 CLUTCH & EVIL LOOK (tremendoid), Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:18 (nine years ago) link

haha ive heard him like 100x via podcasts and such, but yeah as much as i like dude he gets frattier every element of him you discover writing -> voice -> irl

k3vin k., Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:20 (nine years ago) link

yeah i don't mind reading him actually, lets you know where he stands and puts teeth into it. entertaining as far as it goes

5-23-09 CLUTCH & EVIL LOOK (tremendoid), Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:35 (nine years ago) link

i remember when he was on colbert a while back, he got booed when he made fun of clinton for throwing like a girl

candice spergin (cankles), Saturday, 31 October 2009 09:33 (nine years ago) link

yah its a tough comparison but i think if kobe goes on a run the next few years with a ring or two and consistent finals appearances before he starts to decline, we'll end up looking at the 08 lakers/celts series as the start of the post-timmy era...esp if TD doesn't get another ring before he retires. i tend to think that kobe's first three rings dont count quite as much *for him* in this kind of discussion because he wasn't the undisputed leader of those teams. even more so than points, stats, etc i think thats what simmons convinced me about-- even on the 99 team with robinson, it was absolutely td's team.

This is what is going to make the Western Conf. so interesting this year. They both have good teams and something to prove.

Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Saturday, 31 October 2009 15:09 (nine years ago) link

I can't imagine "something to prove" matters as much to Tim as it does to Kobes. I'm not trying to argue Duncan isn't driven or whatever, I just don't think he cares as much about what people think about him. (Tbf, he also doesn't have as much negativity to cope with.)

This part of the sentence is even dumber. (lukas), Saturday, 31 October 2009 15:15 (nine years ago) link

Yeah. That's probably a pretty fair assessment on both of them.

Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Saturday, 31 October 2009 21:49 (nine years ago) link

Have purchased. Have read the first 100 or so pages. Have learned a lot about Boston basketball. Woo, this guy is a HOMER.

Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:47 (nine years ago) link

if you go back like 5 years you can find pods with bob talking about his life. he grew up poor in canada, did some hustling, and started making serious money when he found some patterns in nba games. he seems like a really boring dude tbh but i like listening to him talk about ball.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 30 June 2018 02:29 (one year ago) link

boring maybe but seems like a chill guy. I would be his friend

k3vin k., Saturday, 30 June 2018 02:52 (one year ago) link

to get courtside seats obv

k3vin k., Saturday, 30 June 2018 02:52 (one year ago) link

it's cute how much he loves his little elderly dog

call all destroyer, Saturday, 30 June 2018 02:54 (one year ago) link

lol this pod is heated, good stuff

k3vin k., Saturday, 30 June 2018 03:28 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

btw the ringer has become.....very good?

call all destroyer, Friday, 27 July 2018 03:48 (one year ago) link

it has some good writers.

21st savagery fox (m bison), Friday, 27 July 2018 04:03 (one year ago) link

theyve definitely found a groove

InfoWarriors (Spottie), Friday, 27 July 2018 06:12 (one year ago) link

It's an everyday read now and not just the occasional link.

Jeff, Friday, 27 July 2018 09:34 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

a bit embarrassed to admit that I love that they're essentially going to to rolling updated power rankings lol

http://tradevalue.theringer.com/

k3vin k., Friday, 21 December 2018 05:47 (ten months ago) link

he has dray above klay clearly been lurking

Clay, Friday, 21 December 2018 06:12 (ten months ago) link

tbf theyve both been bad this year

тпсбlack (Spottie), Friday, 21 December 2018 06:16 (ten months ago) link

this is deranged content... michelen stars and gold pantheons this is more complicated than school let me breathe man

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:00 (ten months ago) link

3rd season is prob when ppl are least psyched about young players

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:06 (ten months ago) link

cj above kyrie huh lol

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:08 (ten months ago) link

also a lot of this is just wrong on a pure base level... like jayson tatum over KD. if the celtics called the warriors and offered that trade straight up the warriors would laugh in their faces but boston would do it in a heartbeat

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:08 (ten months ago) link

yeah there some overvaluing of young players on cheap contracts going on here for sure, which is all well and good but you have to take in to consideration that young players are bad

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:09 (ten months ago) link

if the bulls called the suns and offered wendell carter straight up for deandre ayton the suns would block the bulls front office's number

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:10 (ten months ago) link

btw watched ayton the other night and hes def got some offensive game but yeah he looked tired out there energy levels cld be a problem

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:14 (ten months ago) link

i don't necessarily think ayton is better than carter but the idea that carter has more trade value than ayton right now is crazy

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:15 (ten months ago) link

its wrong for sure

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:16 (ten months ago) link

the list is bad also why did they do the fancy design which relegates the info youre looking for to a fraction of the screen (on desktop)

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:17 (ten months ago) link

it does look way better on mobile

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:18 (ten months ago) link

yeah I think the list would be better if he abandoned the tiers because clearly there are some players on bigger contracts that would definitely get traded for cheaper youngr players as jordan mentioned. I like the michelin stars tho haha, and the pantheon levels are just from his book

k3vin k., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:18 (ten months ago) link

got the #1 right obv :P

frogbs, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:19 (ten months ago) link

its funny because michelin ratings at least for american restaurants are also very bad and nonsensical

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:20 (ten months ago) link

brow is way better than "the freak"

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:20 (ten months ago) link

that one makes sense to me because of the contracts

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:23 (ten months ago) link

if the bucks offered giannis to pelicans for brow they would have to do it

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 December 2018 18:23 (ten months ago) link

I must say that page has great web design (at least on my iPhone).

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:25 (ten months ago) link

idk one player option year is not a huge differentiator in the long run, i mean maybe theyd do it cause cause their roster is garbage making a brow trade demand likely but that situation is just gonna make giannis unhappy too

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:27 (ten months ago) link

he's going to beat this michelin star concept into the ground for like the next five years

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Friday, 21 December 2018 18:28 (ten months ago) link

id trade giannis for brow if i were the bucks but if i were the pelicans and id rather trade brow for some sort of more rebuilding type package

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:29 (ten months ago) link

basically the context of the teams situation is completely missing from this, its more of a all things being equal wld u trade which is fine

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:30 (ten months ago) link

like the warriors wldnt trade kd for tatum but if steph went down w a season ending injury tomorrow they prob wld since kd is prob out after this season

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:31 (ten months ago) link

cj above kyrie huh lol

― lag∞n, Friday, December 21, 2018 1:08 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

had to double-check that this was cj *mccollum* aka the ben gordon of the 2010s

call all destroyer, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:52 (ten months ago) link

hes a dece player but i mean cmon lol

lag∞n, Friday, 21 December 2018 19:55 (ten months ago) link

had a hard time getting through this (viewed on desktop)

CJ vs BG kinda otm (through age 27 season)
http://bkref.com/tiny/kjpCq

тпсбlack (Spottie), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:20 (ten months ago) link

love to score 20 points a game and not really do other stuff

call all destroyer, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:52 (ten months ago) link

wow their stats are uncannily similar

k3vin k., Saturday, 22 December 2018 00:47 (ten months ago) link

i feel like deep down i always knew that ben gordon was the correct comparison but would never admit it to myself

Clay, Saturday, 22 December 2018 01:15 (ten months ago) link

i checked their per game stats really quick after thinking of that before i posted it and am v. proud of myself after seeing their career shooting percentages and advanced rate stats.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 December 2018 01:21 (ten months ago) link

the advanced rate stats are eerie

J0rdan S., Saturday, 22 December 2018 09:25 (ten months ago) link

wow, that's impressively bad to look at on my laptop.

i know teams don't like to unload rookies that look somewhat promising, but there are a bunch on that list that are a long way from being actual good nba players.

circles, Saturday, 22 December 2018 15:11 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

bill simmons has put twitter ON NOTICE

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:12 (eight months ago) link

"I'd say you have 8 to 12 months to figure it out" - bill simmons has set the timetable

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:13 (eight months ago) link

it is so bizarre to pivot from 'dad talk with assholes' to this attempt at barbara walters style interview

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:14 (eight months ago) link

Simmons moves to Gab in 2020.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 24 January 2019 17:23 (eight months ago) link

three months pass...

now for you to understand this theory about kevin durant you will have to pretend that he is patrick ewing

— Amazon Original Series Bosch (@Mobute) May 11, 2019

mookieproof, Saturday, 11 May 2019 03:32 (five months ago) link


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