bill simmons IS bill simmons IN the book of BASKETBALL

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who's gonna dunk this tome with me over the next few weeks? i love simmons on hoops even when he's challopsy or even just wrong but i think this book might be amazing

sitting in the package on my desk right now to start after cavs/celts when i get home-- thanking u amazon

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 23:24 (eleven years ago) link

speaking of this guy, anyone watching that 30 for 30 series
http://30for30.espn.com/

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 00:59 (eleven years ago) link

a 30 for 30 thread

a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 01:48 (eleven years ago) link

i kinda want to read this - i h8 this guys whole steez but sort of love his basketball writing - o jeez i just dont know - ive never read a sports book before this is weird for me

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 05:15 (eleven years ago) link

i started it last night and the prologue is a big sloppy bj for larry bird of course, but its supposed to be a more personal intro before the nitty gritty starts up. i think its tolerable even if yr not a celtics fan and there's lots of good stuff. the footnotes are really funny!

i think there's going to be tons of quality kareem bashing too, which is a big plus in my book

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

you should read it ice cr*m, i think if you like his bball writing theres going to be too much fun stuff in here to ignore-- i learned that dave cowens took off a third of a season to DRIVE A CAB

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:55 (eleven years ago) link

i missed the colts band 30 for 30 but the other two so far have been great-- thought berg's gretzky one was actually a great film, very cool and affecting, outstanding style

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

I don't think I could read an entire book of Simmons' writing.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:18 (eleven years ago) link

i think i totally could - i just def dont have the time atm

k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

to echo those above, though, it would have to be abt hoops

k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:20 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i'm not sure i'll have time for this until like the holidays

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 18:25 (eleven years ago) link

freedarko book vs book of basketball

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:12 (eleven years ago) link

freedarko i have a hard time reading 2 paragraphs - srsly learn writing guys!

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

freedarko is awful and dumb imo

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:24 (eleven years ago) link

i don't really want to read either of them!

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:25 (eleven years ago) link

good thing it's a free country, am0n!

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 19:34 (eleven years ago) link

freedarko book has been sitting on my dresser since the day it dropped, i love those guys tho

a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpk_zOfxkhc

am0n, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

I think Simmons is definitely at his best when he's doing straight NBA analysis, so I'm enjoying this so far (roughly 100pp in). The Isiah/Vegas chapter is really great.

One criticism I have is that weird semantic thing he does sometimes when he's discussing race in sports; for instance, in the Bird chapter he chalks part of Bird's career decline up to "a wave of athletic black forwards that were slowly making the Kelly Tripuckas and Kiki Vandeweghes obsolete."

I don't think anybody who's read Simmons for a while is at risk of misreading that, but I'm kinda surprised they left it in, y'know?

Conservative HOT Mom! (govern yourself accordingly), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:11 (eleven years ago) link

The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid.

jØrdån (omar little), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:13 (eleven years ago) link

I was a big Jimmy the Greek fan as a little kid and was bummed when they fired him. :/

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 29 October 2009 01:32 (eleven years ago) link

this is a little off topic, but I can't stand the way he speaks on podcasts and stuff - sounds like I'm listening to a college sophomore with a bunch of flattened KEYSTONE LIGHT boxes taped to his wall

囧 (dyao), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:25 (eleven years ago) link

he's on colbert tonight, should be coming on pretty soon...

a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:41 (eleven years ago) link

this is a little off topic, but I can't stand the way he speaks on podcasts and stuff - sounds like I'm listening to a college sophomore with a bunch of flattened KEYSTONE LIGHT boxes taped to his wall

― 囧 (dyao), Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:25 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i always liked this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQbcVnsK9g8

candice spergin (cankles), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:47 (eleven years ago) link

Well, if you look at who he's talking about that replaced Bird, Vandeweigh, and Tripuka, et al., he's not wrong. There were a bunch of really good, athletic power forwards who could run, rebound and dunk over a city bus, who happened to be black. The phrasing is awkward, and makes him seem to be placing the race thing a little high in the analysis.

I am looking forward to this book - his knowledge of NBA stuff is pretty amazing, and he tends to do some pretty inventive statistical analysis.

And yes, this dude was totally a douchebag in college.

Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 30 October 2009 16:00 (eleven years ago) link

the first real chapter ("the secret") is pretty good. simmon's tim duncan reclamation project is almost working on me. ive always found him the most boring superstar and basically hated him for wiping out the fun-n-suns year after year but always respected him as a player and think he's probably a great guy.

putting him in stark contrast now with shaq: four rings on the same team, cycled through good roleplayers that he made great (both did this), still in title contention with that same team, while shaq is now basically a big media presence journeyman...i think i'm convinced that timmy is the best of the era ending right about now.

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Friday, 30 October 2009 16:40 (eleven years ago) link

duncan as the best of his generation is pretty indisputable imo

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 16:52 (eleven years ago) link

Duncan = not of Kobe's era?

B/c -

Four rings with same team
Cycled through journeymen and made them better
Still in title contention with same team

Could also describe Kobe.

Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 30 October 2009 20:21 (eleven years ago) link

buddy sry kobe is not better than duncan - also shaq was the best player on 3/4 of those teams

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:26 (eleven years ago) link

1 duncan
2 shaq
then kobe garnett et al

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:28 (eleven years ago) link

says the celts, fan get outta here

anyway duncan and kobe are apples n oranges

k3vin k., Friday, 30 October 2009 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

lol "celts fan, get"

k3vin k., Friday, 30 October 2009 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

as afar as know neither duncan or shaq are or have ever been on the celtics

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:50 (eleven years ago) link

fan, get as afar as know

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 20:51 (eleven years ago) link

In school, Duncan was a bright pupil and dreamt of becoming an Olympic-level swimmer like his sister, Tricia.[5][6] His parents were very supportive and Duncan excelled at swimming, becoming a teenage standout in the 50, 100 and 400 meters freestyle and aiming to make the 1992 Olympic Games as a member of the United States Team.[5]

When Hurricane Hugo destroyed the island's only Olympic-sized swimming pool in 1989, forcing Duncan to swim in the ocean, he soon lost enthusiasm because of his fear of sharks.[4]

this is why he's #1

chemical ali v. chemical frazier (m bison), Friday, 30 October 2009 21:19 (eleven years ago) link

also spurs teams with duncan on them have never won fewer than 53 games (lockout season excepted)

chemical ali v. chemical frazier (m bison), Friday, 30 October 2009 21:28 (eleven years ago) link

buddy sry kobe is not better than duncan

http://hillbilly10commandments.com/images/moses3.bmp

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 30 October 2009 22:31 (eleven years ago) link

huh, i never really think about kobe v duncan.

like kobe used to get compared to his contemporaries like pierce, ray allen, carter, mcgrady, but now that it's clear that none of them are as good as he is, he tends to get compared to jordan and maybe lebron.

they're definitely the best of the nba players who emerged in the late '90s, and both of them started out on teams that were immediately successful, but in terms of position and temperament they're completely different.

circles, Friday, 30 October 2009 22:44 (eleven years ago) link

yah its a tough comparison but i think if kobe goes on a run the next few years with a ring or two and consistent finals appearances before he starts to decline, we'll end up looking at the 08 lakers/celts series as the start of the post-timmy era...esp if TD doesn't get another ring before he retires. i tend to think that kobe's first three rings dont count quite as much *for him* in this kind of discussion because he wasn't the undisputed leader of those teams. even more so than points, stats, etc i think thats what simmons convinced me about-- even on the 99 team with robinson, it was absolutely td's team.

i'll see you in jamie mccourt then (agent hibachi), Saturday, 31 October 2009 00:11 (eleven years ago) link

bought this book today iirc. chapter one was great--plenty of lols and good writing.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 October 2009 00:20 (eleven years ago) link

bill simmons is sitting in with the commentators @ celtics/bulls rite now

am0n, Saturday, 31 October 2009 01:01 (eleven years ago) link

not a good voice

am0n, Saturday, 31 October 2009 01:02 (eleven years ago) link

never heard him before colbert, if anything douchier than advertised

5-23-09 CLUTCH & EVIL LOOK (tremendoid), Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:18 (eleven years ago) link

haha ive heard him like 100x via podcasts and such, but yeah as much as i like dude he gets frattier every element of him you discover writing -> voice -> irl

k3vin k., Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:20 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i don't mind reading him actually, lets you know where he stands and puts teeth into it. entertaining as far as it goes

5-23-09 CLUTCH & EVIL LOOK (tremendoid), Saturday, 31 October 2009 04:35 (eleven years ago) link

i remember when he was on colbert a while back, he got booed when he made fun of clinton for throwing like a girl

candice spergin (cankles), Saturday, 31 October 2009 09:33 (eleven years ago) link

yah its a tough comparison but i think if kobe goes on a run the next few years with a ring or two and consistent finals appearances before he starts to decline, we'll end up looking at the 08 lakers/celts series as the start of the post-timmy era...esp if TD doesn't get another ring before he retires. i tend to think that kobe's first three rings dont count quite as much *for him* in this kind of discussion because he wasn't the undisputed leader of those teams. even more so than points, stats, etc i think thats what simmons convinced me about-- even on the 99 team with robinson, it was absolutely td's team.

This is what is going to make the Western Conf. so interesting this year. They both have good teams and something to prove.

Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Saturday, 31 October 2009 15:09 (eleven years ago) link

I can't imagine "something to prove" matters as much to Tim as it does to Kobes. I'm not trying to argue Duncan isn't driven or whatever, I just don't think he cares as much about what people think about him. (Tbf, he also doesn't have as much negativity to cope with.)

This part of the sentence is even dumber. (lukas), Saturday, 31 October 2009 15:15 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah. That's probably a pretty fair assessment on both of them.

Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Saturday, 31 October 2009 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

Have purchased. Have read the first 100 or so pages. Have learned a lot about Boston basketball. Woo, this guy is a HOMER.

Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:47 (eleven years ago) link

yup

call all destroyer, Monday, 29 June 2020 02:39 (nine months ago) link

lmao this is amazing

frogbs, Monday, 29 June 2020 02:47 (nine months ago) link

bill is a good sport he would like that


Would he tho?

Spottie, Monday, 29 June 2020 02:48 (nine months ago) link

he does love content, idk.

obviously lebron is responsible for how it went down, but the fact that simmons did what he did to get the ball rolling is hilarious to me.

circles, Monday, 29 June 2020 02:59 (nine months ago) link

its very funny, and then he just carried on like he didnt do it

lag∞n, Monday, 29 June 2020 03:03 (nine months ago) link

bill is not a good sport for the record i was just kidding

lag∞n, Monday, 29 June 2020 03:03 (nine months ago) link

yeah he is a guy who for better or worse likes to make predictions and brag about his correct predictions and it’s something you think he’d mention when the topic comes up if he were proud of it

k3vin k., Monday, 29 June 2020 03:04 (nine months ago) link

bill setting it up and immediately armchair fan tut-tutting the thing is just so pure

Clay, Monday, 29 June 2020 03:30 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

whats a cheap assist lol

Bill Simmons' in his latest podcast: "Luka's assists are like Bird's - they're not cheap assists... like the James Harden type of assists'.

— Andrew Soukup (@asoukuptx) August 10, 2020

lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 00:35 (eight months ago) link

crash toward the basket and kick it out for a three?

DJI, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 00:47 (eight months ago) link

BS almost ruins Luka for me

it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 00:52 (eight months ago) link

he was basically talking about seeing passes that most ppl don't see vs. passing to a spot and knowing someone is there. it was pretty forced.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 01:30 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

not sure where to put this, but netw3rk is leaving the ringer

some personal news! pic.twitter.com/flfHRoK9ax

— ☕netw3rk (@netw3rk) October 30, 2020

glengarry gary beers (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 October 2020 14:50 (five months ago) link

boooo

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 30 October 2020 15:41 (five months ago) link

somethings afoot at spotify ringer

hi! today is my last day at the ringer. it’s been a delight working with so many thoughtful and brilliant people over the last four years. i was 22 and waiting tables in kentucky when they called me - i’ll be grateful always, to the ringer and to any of you who followed along ❤️

— haley o'shaughnessy (@HaleyOSomething) October 30, 2020

lag∞n, Friday, 30 October 2020 20:26 (five months ago) link

it's not spotify. people don't like working for bill because he's an asshole

J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 21:12 (five months ago) link

is that what's going on? losing newtork seems like a big deal

Spottie, Friday, 30 October 2020 21:28 (five months ago) link

idk about each individual situation but from what i've heard in aggregate yeah

also the union stuff there has been a huge battle even before spotify. i'm sure it hasn't been helped by the acquisition, but it was bill vs his employees in a way that really brought a lot of the underlying issues w/ working there to the surface (again, from what i understand). it doesn't seem like any of it has been resolved really

Too many of our members have said that they struggle to cover basic living expenses from month to month, and too many of our members say that they have received little to no salary increases even as they take on more responsibilities.

— Ringer Union (@RingerUnion) August 20, 2020

J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 21:32 (five months ago) link

athletic gonna take on all these people leaving? makes the most sense. seems like their personalities might be capped a bit there vs ringer tho

Spottie, Friday, 30 October 2020 21:37 (five months ago) link

maybe this was naive of me working for a gigantic company but i was extremely surprised at the lack of basic HR and career dev stuff at the ringer based on what the union was claiming. is it uncommon in internet media?

call all destroyer, Friday, 30 October 2020 21:54 (five months ago) link

at start up type websites definitely not. for the ringer you could make an argument that it’s different bcuz bill has run a website before and should have also learned from the mistakes of similar type websites before him, but speaking from what i know personally, the HR/office infrastructure situations at places like pre-conde pitchfork or the fader (or gawker lol) were shoestring at best to nonexistent + actively harmful at worst. the career dev aspect is trickier and that’s a huge issue at the ringer specifically as it pertains to the divisions between writing and podcasting and video and who got the opportunities to do what, but in general when you have ppl competing for scarce opportunities and a belief that certain ppl will do better in front facing roles (i.e. being on camera) than others you run into these types of situations pretty quickly where a select few ppl seem to be elevated at the expense of their coworkers. bill is just really bad at this — his response to a reckoning this year about the lack of diversity in his podcasts was (largely) to hire a bunch of celebs like bakari sellers, raja bell, ryan shazier etc, while also giving shows/jobs to his children and relatives and then claiming that he was simply running a meritocracy.

J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 22:04 (five months ago) link

presumably espn handled all the annoying HR stuff at bill's previous website

athletic seems to be stressing podcasting lately, but apart from that i think the era of them hiring everyone is long over

mookieproof, Friday, 30 October 2020 22:17 (five months ago) link

network could probaly just do his own thing

Spottie, Friday, 30 October 2020 22:36 (five months ago) link

yeah he’ll get into TV or something i’m sure

J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 22:43 (five months ago) link

the ringer trending toward celeb podcasts is a disappointing and predictable development with the spotify purchase

call all destroyer, Friday, 30 October 2020 23:38 (five months ago) link

btw can someone explain to me, a non-podcast listener, how this has become so huge and lucrative? like i understand rogan or whomever, i guess, but there are only so many hours in a day to listen/pay attention to hour-long sound files and their ads. idgi

mookieproof, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:02 (five months ago) link

is it just venture capital

mookieproof, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:04 (five months ago) link

podcasts are very popular and usually very cheap to produce but yeah prob just vc

lag∞n, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:09 (five months ago) link

it was possible until recently to do pretty well with an independent podcast that had a decent listener base using ads alone. i think reduction in commuting time this year plus some consolidation of the ad market for podcasts is changing that. my favorite basketball pod recently went from ad-supported to a subscription model, which i could see happening with a lot of pods not backed by a major company.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:13 (five months ago) link

Yah my pod listening is down to like one per week or two where I used to listen daily

Spottie, Saturday, 31 October 2020 03:12 (five months ago) link

what do y'all actually pay for?

i pay for the athletic, and a non-commenting defector account, and am about to cancel my sling.tv subscription because there are no sporps

mookieproof, Saturday, 31 October 2020 04:54 (five months ago) link

right now i pay for the athletic and the aforementioned subscription to dunc’d on.

not sure i’ll stick with the athletic tbh. i like it but i don’t love it.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 October 2020 12:30 (five months ago) link

I pay for Athletic, that's about it

Netwerk had the only Ringer podcast I still listened to so I'm down to zero on that front.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:19 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

This fucking baby https://t.co/0Mdul4O0RJ pic.twitter.com/ta99MMAqeT

— Barry Petchesky (@barry) November 19, 2020

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 16:34 (four months ago) link

Oh no, he unfollowed someone. This is so stupid.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 19 November 2020 17:42 (four months ago) link

its stupid but not in the way you think

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 17:43 (four months ago) link

he never mentions writers who left the company (like netw3rk and robert mays). they wrote gracious "thank you" posts too, but no response from him.

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 November 2020 17:49 (four months ago) link

i mean how soon does he just drop the written/web component of the ringer and make it the celebrity podcast network that he and spotify want it to be?

call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:19 (four months ago) link

yeah

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:20 (four months ago) link

there arent enough celeb pods already huh

Spottie, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:22 (four months ago) link

until every celebrity has a pod our work is not done

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:36 (four months ago) link

are any of those celebrity pods actually successful?

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 November 2020 20:06 (four months ago) link

a lot of celeb pods are huge

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 November 2020 20:33 (four months ago) link

he never mentions writers who left the company (like netw3rk and robert mays). they wrote gracious "thank you" posts too, but no response from him.

― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:49 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

he quit twitter when the “this isn’t open mic” story happened.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 19 November 2020 22:30 (four months ago) link

or doesn't talk about them on his pods, make a statement...they become persona non grata

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 20 November 2020 00:25 (four months ago) link

he'd kill a GM who managed personnel as sullenly as he does

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 20 November 2020 00:26 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

"I think, from people we talked to and stuff we’ve read, the shooting kind of set the tone for how the city thinks about stuff. Even, when we were at Game 3: Great crowd, they fall behind, and the whole crowd got tense. It was like, 'Oh no, something bad's gonna happen.' And I think it starts from that shooting. And it's just that mindset they have."

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 18 January 2021 23:59 (two months ago) link

I am happy to report that I have stopped listening to Bill Simmons' podcast. I am sorry to report that I now listen to Ryen's podcast.

Florida Man vs. California Bill (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 01:29 (two months ago) link

a lateral move

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 01:42 (two months ago) link

the first step is recognizing that pods are bad

trans-panda express (m bison), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 01:45 (two months ago) link


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