This is your rolling New York Knicks trainwreck thread

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Prompted by the signing of the newest Knick, Qyntel Woods.

The Knicks' expectations for Woods are low.

"I think he's a player that we'll just have to see where he goes," the team president, Isiah Thomas, said. "He's a talent, but it's kind of 50-50."

The Knicks waived small forward Matt Barnes, a solid citizen and solid player, over the weekend. In Woods, the Knicks see a player with greater upside, as well as greater risk.

"No one has questioned his basketball playing ability," Thomas said. "His character has been questioned."

For Woods, just getting the chance to play again is enough. If he can change public perceptions along the way, all the better.

"I'm a different person now," he said. "I made some mistakes, but I've still got to prove to everybody that I'm not a bad guy. So I'm still working on that now."

Shockingly, I don't think this is going to end well.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"Even by the Knicks' standards, it was a tumultuous day. Stability has eluded them since the day training camp opened in early October, mostly because of injuries throughout the roster.

Brown, who used his 11th different lineup Tuesday, has created some of the instability himself, by deciding to start players in their hometowns."

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah, the joys of a five-year contract. "Fuck you, pay me."

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

polyphonic, Friday, 29 February 2008 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link


am0n, Friday, 29 February 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

am0n, Friday, 29 February 2008 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

James Dolan is the fucking worst!!
i wish they could get rid of him as well.

carne asada, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:30 (fourteen years ago) link

By the looks of things, he could be done in by a Monte Cristo or a super-sized value meal. Just send him some mayo.

David R., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:36 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm not even a knicks fan at all. it would just be cool if they were at least competitive. i can't even talk shit to knicks fans because i just feel bad for them.

carne asada, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link

If Walsh keeps Thomas, that will be hilarious.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

WTF? they are considering this,right?
Thomas must have pictures of dolan going down on him in the locker room

carne asada, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

carne that's exactly what i think, seriously -- or something of that nature

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link

This article is gggrrrrreat!

polyphonic, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

is david lee the only salvageable player on this rosteR??
i guess maybe that dude with dreads...

hytop, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Ronaldo? Oh hell no -- he looks like a game-free Joakim Noah. Maybe N8, as a mini-mini Microwave sort.

David R., Wednesday, 9 April 2008 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess all i've seen balkman do is run around on some najera type shit. maybe 11th or 12th man material? and that's one of zeke's draft 'gems'

whatever nate gives you scoring is taken back ten fold by his mini-hulk attitude.

didn't he fight someone in the postgame showers? yall see eastern promises? i imagine it was like that.

hytop, Thursday, 10 April 2008 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link

That article is pretty good. Spike Lee saying "hornswoggled" alone makes it worthwhile. The intervention when trying to get an interview with Malik Rose was especially o_O

circles, Thursday, 10 April 2008 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i read this shit yesterday when i was supposed to be doing something else and would totally click again A++

J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 April 2008 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link

i havent watched the knicks live in like a year and a half and im pretty sure my life is better for it

J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 April 2008 03:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Actually, watching the Knicks flail about and screw their pooch is pretty entertaining (cf. YouTube of Zach Randolph: Male Point Guard). It's like the reverse of watching the Celts or Phoenix or Lakers click on all cylinders.

Best thing about this year: Jamal Crawford's mondo-sized shoulder bandage.

David R., Thursday, 10 April 2008 13:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Also YES re: that fantastic NY article!

David R., Thursday, 10 April 2008 13:44 (fourteen years ago) link

So Mark Jackson's a possible coaching candidate, & announced during last night's game that he's leaving the YES broadcast booth?

David R., Thursday, 17 April 2008 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Does Mark Jackson have any management experience?

Alex in SF, Thursday, 17 April 2008 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Dunno. Didn't stop Steve Kerr from getting the Phoenix GM job, tho. Hell, didn't keep Isiah Thomas from doing what he did, either!

David R., Thursday, 17 April 2008 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

i was kind of warming to the jackson/van gundy tandem. seems like jackson is stepping in shit but he'll get points just for coaching at all after this nonsense

tremendoid, Friday, 18 April 2008 03:35 (fourteen years ago) link

My one fear: lots of "you're better than that" references.

David R., Friday, 18 April 2008 12:31 (fourteen years ago) link

"Dunno. Didn't stop Steve Kerr from getting the Phoenix GM job, tho. Hell, didn't keep Isiah Thomas from doing what he did, either!"

Yeah and those were great moves!

Alex in SF, Friday, 18 April 2008 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link


Alex in SF, Friday, 18 April 2008 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I wonder if he gets another job anywhere now?

Alex in SF, Friday, 18 April 2008 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh wait it looks like he still going to be doing "something" for the Knicks.

Alex in SF, Friday, 18 April 2008 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

wau, are we sure that donnie walsh is of sound mind and body?

circles, Saturday, 19 April 2008 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

"And Thomas will be a part of that. Without getting specific, Walsh said there were assignments he’d feel completely comfortable giving to Thomas.

"Like washing my car, walking my dog, making sure my kids get to Little League. I will be in touch with Isiah a lot,” Walsh said.""

Alex in SF, Saturday, 19 April 2008 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link

The fact that Donnie Walsh is considering Billy King for GM does not bode well for the post-Thomas era.

polyphonic, Saturday, 19 April 2008 07:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Clippers East.

Aimless, Saturday, 19 April 2008 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

In his own words:

polyphonic, Saturday, 19 April 2008 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

The Knicks sure are playing well with all of those dudes Isiah assembled. Maybe what they needed was a good coach?

polyphonic, Thursday, 13 November 2008 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link


carne asada, Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link

ha, as long as d'antoni can avoid playing starbury and fat eddy

circles, Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...


eman, Sunday, 1 February 2009 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

It could be worse - you could be a Chicago Bulls fan - trust me - it's painful ...

BlackIronPrison, Sunday, 1 February 2009 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
seven months pass...

man, i really want the knicks to be good

carne asada, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link

these fucking guys!!

eddy fucking curry!! are you kidding me? franchise player??

GREENBURGH, N.Y. - Eleven minutes of Eddy Curry helped doom the possibility of 71 games of Allen Iverson.

That was one of the nuggets of information revealed by Knicks president Donnie Walsh this afternoon as he explained New York's decision to pass on the opportunity to sign unrestricted free agent Allen Iverson.

Curry played 11 minutes Wednesday night in the Knicks' victory in Indiana, and Walsh said the continued rehabilitation and re-integration of Curry -- along with the fear that Iverson would take minutes away from the young players the Knicks are trying to develop -- impacted the decision.

"That's part of it, because Eddy is now on the team and we've got to develop a lot of attention to Eddy from a franchise standpoint, because he went out there in 11 minutes and I thought actually changed the game in a lot of ways. Their big guys were having their way with us, which big men do because David (Lee) is not a natural center, and when Eddy went in -- just the fact that he could take the ball and go at them -- I could see they went back on their heels and they weren't the same after that no matter who was playing. I thought he helped us win the game right there. He's got a lot of talent, he's got great size, you can see he's worked on his body tremendously, so yeah, Eddy is a guy we're very high on, and we wanted to work with him."

carne asada, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link

which dudes are they developing? most these guys won’t even be there next year,right? i would have paid real money to go see Iverson at the garden this season.

carne asada, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link

ahaha thats ridic

luol deng (am0n), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link

they've been terrible since 2000

fifteen minutes of iguana time famous (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link

It's almost as if, on top of putting a bad team together, they also want to avoid selling tickets.

Maybe they are trying to move the team a la Major League.

windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Friday, 20 November 2009 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean i think this is absolutely correct

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver
There are ~8-10 guys in the NBA who are worth way more than the max contract. MIA has two right now. If they signed Paul, NYK would have 1.
10 minutes ago

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i guess the real thing is any one of paul, deron, howard would be a better fit with amar'e. still wacky to call it a d+ deal!

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

yeah its kinda a D+ from the pov of contending for a title, a B+ as far as improvement, and a A+++++ from a marketing standpoint

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

still think the problem w the analysis upthread is that i actually believe melo woulda signed w/ denver to get the $$$. he wanted knicks, but he was gonna get that money no matter what.

end aggro business now (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

yeah but that wouldve been the best possible outcome for the knicks if it lead to them getting one of howard/paul/deron

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link

i like hollinger's analysis. there's no point in even playing thru the regular-season, really. just calculate how many wins each team will have, based on their roster and offseason acquisitions, and then set-up playoff brackets.

oh, to account for regular-season injuries and wear-and-tear on older players, smash a steel plate against every player's kneecaps, calves and back before starting the playoffs.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

CSheridanESPN Chris Sheridan/Amar'e Stoudemire said he spokely briefly with Carmelo Anthony after trade was agreed to.

sounds awkward.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

i think hollinger makes a lot of sense, altho i think he's underrating melo as a player

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

honestly it seems to me like the nba is sort of starting to resemble baseball a bit, tho in an even more exaggerated fashion

like you have the top tier destination spots in the nba now where ppl seem to agree that all FAs want to go (miami, LA, ny, chicago, and i think you could add boston in here once kg/ray/pierce nucleus moves on) just like you have in baseball (yanks, sox, phils etc) except in the nba you have these teams wielding the nature of their locale as the trump card as opposed to the ability to just pay out the wazoo like the red sox or something

then you have everyone else basically, and those teams break down into teams that will spend big money on players and those that won't/can't. like, in the nba you have joe johnson signing a max deal, igoudala coming close, but none of those teams are gonna seriously compete for an nba title any time soon, and i think it's sort of the equivalent of like the mariners signing jayson werth, or the mariners doling out massive money for chone figgins, or the jays paying out their ass for vernon wells

& then you have the smart teams that are gonna lay back & rebuild organically cuz that's the only way you can. like, the thunder = the rays (durant = longoria even) as a team w/ a very smart front office that schooled everyone in draft/development & then even teams like the clippers or memphis (despite throwing mad money at rudy gay) who are developing potential contenders thru the draft, tho even against their will in the clippers case

anyway my point is that i think for a team like denver this is prob a blessing in disguise if their management is good enough, because they're a mid-tier team & signing carmelo to the max for the next three years wasn't gonna bring them any close.

i know it's not a perfect analogy but that's sorta how it feels to me

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

totally true. makes me wonder if -- in response -- the owners will demand a revenue-sharing type of system, like the nfl has.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link

well its more that they couldve gotten melo but if they didnt then they prob could get someone even better next year - its speculative for sure - especially considering no one knows what the new cba will look like - but the fact that melo/deron/paul/howard all seem to have some level of interesting new york makes it maybe not such a bad bet - on the other hand melo was actually getable now which has a lot to say for itself - but BUT theyve hamstrung themselves going forward by giving up so much/signing two max players who arent uber eliete guys

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:38 AM (3 hours ago)

yeah this is how i'm seeing this too

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

that 538 article is great

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

the first comment on the 538 article is hilarious

"Great article. First time I've seen John Hollinger's stats used for something relevant."

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link


Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 22 February 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

woj is unreal

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

i love that one (unsourced) quote btw

pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

When asked on Tuesday how much involvement Thomas had in the Anthony trade, Walsh jabbed, “I’m assuming Isiah’s getting ready for the NCAA tournament.”


Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 22 February 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

Once, Thomas brought Dolan with him on a comic-strip recruiting mission of Kobe Bryant(notes): Together, they traveled to California armed with an electric offer: Come take the midlevel exception for a chance to play with Stephon Marbury(notes).


Neu! romancer (dayo), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, this sounds like an overblown story. this article sounds like it was kobe playing games with the LAL back in 2004. significantly, however, the linked article does say, in a completely serious-sounding tone, that the NYK tried to entice the LAL to trade kobe bryant for allan houston.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:45 (twelve years ago) link

ice cr?m, Friday, 4 March 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link

kidna looks like tyler the creator

Neu! romancer (dayo), Friday, 4 March 2011 00:42 (twelve years ago) link

new ilh board descrip: "Seriously, who the [expletive] is Isiah kidding with this [expletive]"

am0n, Friday, 4 March 2011 00:49 (twelve years ago) link

Kinda feel like the trade made both teams better

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Friday, 4 March 2011 00:59 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Since the Melo trade, Nuggets have been 10-3, Knicks have been 7-7. Interesting.

coolsundays, Sunday, 20 March 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

it's almost as if the knicks traded away their entire team and are now forced to give major minutes to ronny turiaf, jared jefferies and toney douglas

blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 March 2011 01:47 (twelve years ago) link

after one its the milwaukee bucks 32 and YOUR new york knicks 9

ice cr?m, Sunday, 20 March 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

noooooo way

blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 March 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

well, you know what they say about early sunday afternoon games for road teams in milwuakee

blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 March 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

a photo pf george karl laughing:

ice cr?m, Sunday, 20 March 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

knicks made a comeback - down by 3 8 minutes left

ice cr?m, Sunday, 20 March 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link

the bucks won by five points

ice cr?m, Sunday, 20 March 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link


ice cr?m, Sunday, 20 March 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

took yall this important photo while i was in ny

ice cr?m, Friday, 15 April 2011 07:06 (eleven years ago) link

clip art that's printed out is next level imo

dayo, Friday, 15 April 2011 07:08 (eleven years ago) link


am0n, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:39 (eleven years ago) link

Knicks acquire Amare Stoudemire in off season and Carmelo Anthony at the trading deadline!!

Knicks make playoffs for the first time in umpty-diddly years!!

Knicks get swept 4-0 by the Celtics in the first round!!

Uh. Progress!!

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 00:47 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

happy trails, donnie

call all destroyer, Friday, 3 June 2011 16:35 (eleven years ago) link

loooool let me guess, they're bringing isiah back

dayo, Saturday, 4 June 2011 00:22 (eleven years ago) link

The Knicks are the gift that keeps on giving.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 4 June 2011 00:24 (eleven years ago) link

donnie will next be gm'ing a retirement home

johnny crunch, Saturday, 4 June 2011 00:28 (eleven years ago) link

if isiah comes back i will lol so hard for so long

ice cr?m, Saturday, 4 June 2011 03:42 (eleven years ago) link

it would be the lol to end all lols

call all destroyer, Saturday, 4 June 2011 11:48 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

lol his band is so obviously a bunch of expensive hired guns -- he stinks

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Thursday, 20 June 2013 20:41 (nine years ago) link

moar like Jimmy D and the Foul Shot

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Thursday, 20 June 2013 21:05 (nine years ago) link



i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Thursday, 20 June 2013 21:06 (nine years ago) link

Dolan out the jamz

Treeship, Thursday, 20 June 2013 21:07 (nine years ago) link


i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Thursday, 20 June 2013 21:08 (nine years ago) link

seven years pass...

a good year means you need throwback trainwreck

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 April 2021 14:06 (one year ago) link

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