great players who are also or have been completely overrated

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kobe
jason kidd
bill russell

jhøshea, Sunday, 23 March 2008 15:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

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jhøshea, Sunday, 23 March 2008 15:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

A lot of high-scoring stars were damn good, but over-praised, such as:

Elvin Hayes
George Gervin

OTOH, I disagree about Bill Russell. His play changed the rules of basketball. Literally. The rule agaisnt offensive goaltending did not exist until Russell showed how devastating it was to allow it.

You can argue that the Celtics surrounded him with great talent and that was the reason for his eleven titles, but then how do you account for his college carreer?

Or how do you account for the Lakers having Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson and Jerry West, yet the Celtics consistently took the title anyway? In large part it was because Russell played Wilt to a standstill in game after game, especially in the final minutes - and Wilt was almost unstoppable by mere mortals. Russell sweated blood to win those titles.

Aimless, Sunday, 23 March 2008 16:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

vince carter
t-mac

6335, Sunday, 23 March 2008 18:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

yah russell is an compelling question. hes only overrated in the sense that a lot of people include him in their best player ever argument. he is def not nearly the best player ever.

i do think you kinda answered your own question. the celtics had great teams. basketball is a team sport. way way way too much weight is given to winning when assessing individual greatness. this drives me bonkers. or maybe robert horry should be a first ballot hall of famer.

i dont really give a fuck abt college when analyzing the nba. and neither should you. unless you think kenny anderson was a great nba player or whatever.

as for the old a retarded canard that russell played chamberlain to a standstill - its simply not true! or did russell average 30/30 when they played. correct me if im wrong here.

and lastly wilt chamberlain of course never had the pleasure of playing with arguably the greatest player ever oscar roberston. but he did win the title when already well past his prime he was teamed w/jerry west and elgin baylor on the lakers.

jhøshea, Sunday, 23 March 2008 18:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

Kobe? Really? Why not say LBJ is overrated, too?

David R., Sunday, 23 March 2008 18:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

u think kobe should be mention in the same breath as lebron lololololol

jhøshea, Sunday, 23 March 2008 18:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

Elgin Baylor, yes My bad. Leaky memory.

I did watch Russell v. Chamberlain in living black and white at the time. (I am that old.)

However, I was not a student of the game when I was 12 years old. All I know was that it was hella wonderful basketball, and that Russell could and did block some of Wilt's shots, which was damn near a physical impossibility for a 6'9" guy. And I'd love to see his rebounding stats from those series.

Aimless, Sunday, 23 March 2008 18:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

chamberlain 30/28 - russell 14/22

cant find anything more complete

jhøshea, Sunday, 23 March 2008 18:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

u think kobe should be mention in the same breath as lebron lololololol

sarcasm/joke/or are you having a stroke?

tremendoid, Sunday, 23 March 2008 23:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

i mad u nuts

tremendoid, Sunday, 23 March 2008 23:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

how many games of russell's have you watched?

Granny Dainger, Monday, 24 March 2008 04:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

0

tremendoid, Monday, 24 March 2008 04:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

u think kobe should be mention in the same breath as lebron lololololol

You think Kobe's overrated when he's the 2nd best player in the league behind only a guy that's averaging 30 ppg and a near triple-double? It's not like he's Derek Jeter, where you have to defend him by using nebulous shit like his clutchness or his captaining or his ability to not spread his herpes -- Kobe actually IS that good (and STD free, as far as I know).

David R., Monday, 24 March 2008 12:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

chris paul is having a much better season than kobe fyi and lebron is much better than both of them

jhøshea, Monday, 24 March 2008 13:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

ron artest

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 March 2008 13:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

oh this says great players

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 March 2008 13:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

i mean as per the thread title kobe is great but all this shit w/people comparing him to jordan always saying he should be mvp asking might he be the best ever when hes done???

hes never even had 1 season where he was obv the best player in the game

also: never forget 2nd half hissy fit game 7 v suns

jhøshea, Monday, 24 March 2008 13:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

You can argue that the Celtics surrounded him with great talent and that was the reason for his eleven titles, but then how do you account for his college carreer?

c's also didn't start winning titles until he showed up.

chicago kevin, Monday, 24 March 2008 17:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

kobe is great u mad.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 24 March 2008 19:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

for the last time, if you read carefully, jhoshea is conceding that he's great, it's those shit for brains strawmen he has a problem with.(altho nice try slipping that "mvp waht?" rider into the bill)

tremendoid, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 01:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

dwyane wade

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 27 March 2008 03:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

kobe does know how to play defense much better than any other 'superstar' swing man of the post-youknowwho era.

also kobe is like the evil rich frat boy in a movie. the game needs him. lebron and dwade and chris paul all have no personality and dwight is just mike huckabee. we need villains.

hytop, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

re thread topic: karl malone and pat ewing.
both warriors but let's not get crazy.

hytop, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

David Robinson and Patrick Ewing both get overstated as "great" players.

Scottie Pippen is also probably overrated (although there is a strong case to be made that being the "perfect" player for your team is probably the most valuable skill a player can possess--see also: Russell--the fact that he was unable to quite duplicate it elsewhere kind of takes the shine off a touch.)

Alex in SF, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

pippen's leadership skills turned out to be questionable but he did go on a pretty dominant tear during/after jordan's first retirement. I think he's rated about right. needless to say he doesn't lol.

tremendoid, Thursday, 27 March 2008 23:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

nine years pass...

demarcus cousins

k3vin k., Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:12 (one year ago) Permalink

russell westbrook

k3vin k., Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Nothing really compares to kobe, a top 40 player who is treated like he's top 10

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 23 April 2017 06:19 (one year ago) Permalink


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