stashing assets for the 2023 nba offseason

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dispatches from the mysterious time when we don't know which team will get wemby

Clay, Sunday, 9 April 2023 22:13 (two months ago) link

good luck to everyone in nba

lag∞n, Sunday, 9 April 2023 22:14 (two months ago) link

pacers, wizards, magic, hornets, pistons, mavericks, jazz, trailblazers, rockets, spurs: welcome to the nba offseason

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 April 2023 22:17 (two months ago) link

Kyrie Irving declined to do an exit interview with the Dallas media. Other Mavs, including Luka Doncic, did exit interviews today.

— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) April 9, 2023

lag∞n, Sunday, 9 April 2023 22:18 (two months ago) link

lol he's outta there

call all destroyer, Monday, 10 April 2023 00:46 (two months ago) link

when he bails out on Dallas happens I'll be delighted. but when Kyrie can't get a contract before next season starts I'll be happier than a lark on a spring morning.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 10 April 2023 02:34 (two months ago) link

raptors, pelicans, bulls, thunder: welcome to the nba offseason

ciderpress, Saturday, 15 April 2023 04:24 (one month ago) link

houston just seeing what kind of shit they can get into

The Houston Rockets will interview Ime Udoka for the franchise’s head coaching job on Wednesday, sources tell @TheAthletic. Udoka was suspended by the Boston Celtics prior to the 2022-23 season for violations of team policies.

— Kelly Iko (@KellyIko) April 18, 2023

lag∞n, Tuesday, 18 April 2023 01:40 (one month ago) link

maybe theyll sign miles bridges too

Spottie, Tuesday, 18 April 2023 01:44 (one month ago) link

“James Harden's future is very unclear in Philadelphia… Houston is very much in play for him.”

- @wojespn

(h/t @RealGM ) pic.twitter.com/fyhyS2JkCu

— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) April 20, 2023

Spottie, Thursday, 20 April 2023 17:13 (one month ago) link

must be nice for the sixers to be hearing about this during the playoffs

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 April 2023 17:28 (one month ago) link

We don't give a fuck about dude. Dudes a rental

— EmbiidFAM (@slidecuh) April 20, 2023

This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Thursday, 20 April 2023 17:38 (one month ago) link

Not exactly my take, but I'm loling at the Philly.

This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Thursday, 20 April 2023 17:39 (one month ago) link

you gotta respect it

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 April 2023 18:25 (one month ago) link

whenever there’s this much smoke around something in the NBA recently it seems like it comes true. and w harden in particular the situations in houston and brooklyn played out the way the rumors said they would

J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 April 2023 18:38 (one month ago) link

is houston interested?

ciderpress, Thursday, 20 April 2023 18:39 (one month ago) link

from what reporters have been saying for a few months now— yes

J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 April 2023 18:48 (one month ago) link

I think Harden's been very good for Philly and a team player mostly. If he leaves, I don't know that Philly could replace him right away with another player equally as good - maybe they replace him with a wing who brings something Harden doesn't, say another Melton type, and the team ends up better overall.

On the other hand, my sense is he's going to go with whoever pays him the most and everything else is posturing.

I'm not sure Philly should be that team at this point.

This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Thursday, 20 April 2023 19:31 (one month ago) link

do we still bow at daryl’s feet for heroically defying public pressure and holding out for his star player if the star walks and/or isn’t worth another contract?

J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 April 2023 19:39 (one month ago) link

Yeesh, J0rdan.

I think Morey has done pretty well with the cards he's been dealt. Most of the truly horrible moves pre-date him (Fultz, Harris v Butler, Bridges).

This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Thursday, 20 April 2023 19:48 (one month ago) link

this could all just be a leverage play too, no?

Spottie, Thursday, 20 April 2023 19:59 (one month ago) link

Well, I think he's "serious", but like I said, I think he'll go with whoever offers him the most money.

So I guess that means, "yes".

This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:14 (one month ago) link

i don't think harden needs to leverage morey, of all people

J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:20 (one month ago) link

btw i think daryl has done good work in philly i just think the discussion around the harden trade is still ridiculous

J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:22 (one month ago) link

daryl went all in on a star as is his way and if harden leaves sixers are fucked, also if he doesnt leave theyre what the third best team in the east

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:51 (one month ago) link

rough crowd harshing my game day buzz

This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Thursday, 20 April 2023 21:43 (one month ago) link

gotta stay locked in only read the playoff thread

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:00 (one month ago) link

I'll need this thread soon enough, lol.

This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:13 (one month ago) link

the offseason comes for us all eventually

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:23 (one month ago) link

lmao

Spottie, Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:29 (one month ago) link

ahhh lmao

The Houston Rockets are hiring Ime Udoka as their new head coach, sources tell me and @KellyIko.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) April 24, 2023

lag∞n, Monday, 24 April 2023 21:31 (one month ago) link

Def need to bring in harden now

Spottie, Monday, 24 April 2023 21:31 (one month ago) link

has to happen

lag∞n, Monday, 24 April 2023 21:32 (one month ago) link

nets, timberwolves, clippers: welcome to the nba offseason

ciderpress, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 15:59 (one month ago) link

two of those three teams seem utterly fucked

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 April 2023 16:02 (one month ago) link

timberwolves id say are only medium fucked theyve got ant maybe they trade kat idk

lag∞n, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 16:13 (one month ago) link

ant is great. i'm not sure he's so great that he will just be able to lift any old team past the first round. at least in the next 3-4 years. can he impose his will on a playoff series and put a team on his back and just drag them up the mountain? maybe he can't do that until he's 28 (seven years from now)? so we'll see

i think they have to play their KAT card but it feels like a copy of the trae young conversation where you're looking for a team that is willing to give up significant assets to acquire a massive contract for a one-way player who is prob not good enough to take his team past the second round (or first, shit) w/o significant help and/or luck. an elite big man shooter is easier to fit into a team than a ball hog PG but KAT isn't being paid like he's brook lopez. and the wolves essentially fucked their franchise trading for a guy to play his position bcuz KAT doesn't really have anywhere to play on D. so idk. but if i was them i'd be looking to get off that contract tomorrow if i could

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 April 2023 16:31 (one month ago) link

I have to assume Rudy is almost untradable now

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 April 2023 16:34 (one month ago) link

Best case for Rudy-dumping is trading him for another maxed-out or nearly-maxed player who's on a shorter duration contract, but is generally less playable than Rudy. I wonder if Kawhi would qualify?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 26 April 2023 18:14 (one month ago) link

I mean, I don't think the Clips even think about that would they?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 April 2023 18:55 (one month ago) link

ummm no

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 April 2023 19:04 (one month ago) link

haha no way in hell

Spottie, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 19:20 (one month ago) link

damn rudy has a player option in 2026

the wolves aren’t in an idea situation, but they have a budding superstar who’s 21 and a guy in KAT who should be tradeable despite his obviously limitations; he’s still on the team that drafted him and I don’t think there’s precedent for a guy with his pedigree not finding a suitor to give him another shot in a new situation. the clippers are a disaster but then playing in LA makes things a little easier to swallow…even still I’d probably rather be the wolves

k3vin k., Wednesday, 26 April 2023 19:21 (one month ago) link

I don’t think there’s precedent for a guy with his pedigree not finding a suitor to give him another shot in a new situation

we also don't have precedent for players getting paid $50m+ per year. if you trade for KAT you're taking on salaries of $50m, $54m & $58m for the three seasons *after* next year (he gets paid $36m in 23-24) right as the new CBA rules that hammer teams for going too far into the tax kick in. now, the CBA does incentivize teams to go some way into the tax, but if you're paying KAT $55m you're presumably trying to compete in a real way while operating under an effective hard cap. and you know that KAT has to be, at best, your second best player if you're going to be a title contender. so then you gotta find another guy making a similar salary or even more, while also filling out your roster & you're down assets (presumably) bcuz you traded for KAT.

all of which is to say again if i'm the wolves i'm trying to get rid of KAT immediately. the future on that contract looks really bad & i don't see how his value increases the closer those $50m salaries become to reality. i think he can play better in the playoffs w/ more experience (he just does a lot of dumb shit) but he's also a 27 year old who has been in the league for 8 years. i think we probably know what he is at this point.

i'm really curious how teams look at guys like dame, beal, KAT etc who could be out on the market but have the insane extensions that from my perspective look even worse given the new CBA landscape

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 April 2023 19:33 (one month ago) link

KAT is a much better player than just being a "salary dump" but if i could salary dump that contract & get nothing back except some roster clarity & future salary cap space i'd do it

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 April 2023 19:37 (one month ago) link

he also missed 2/3 the season. and extremely untimely injuries to 2 of their top 6 players. i think theyll be a top 4-6 team next year if everyone stays relatively healthy.

Spottie, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 19:49 (one month ago) link

are you talking about the t wolves

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 April 2023 19:51 (one month ago) link

Yah

Spottie, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 20:03 (one month ago) link

Kat entering his prime. Ant, Jaden another year older. Full season w Conley instead of DLo

Spottie, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 20:06 (one month ago) link

putting denver aside on one end and houston, san antonio, portland & utah aside on the other end you could plausibly tell me that any of the other 10 west teams could finish between 4-6. but i still see the wolves as an 8-12 team

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 April 2023 20:14 (one month ago) link

the never-before-seen coach supermax

ciderpress, Thursday, 1 June 2023 03:09 (one week ago) link

pop getting a one year $40M extension/retirement parachute

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Thursday, 1 June 2023 03:38 (one week ago) link

uhh

Adam Silver on Ja Morant: “We’ve uncovered a fair amount of additional information. We probably could have brought it to a head now, but we’ve made the decision that it would be unfair to these players and these teams to announce that decision in the middle of this series.”

— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) June 1, 2023

lag∞n, Friday, 2 June 2023 00:30 (one week ago) link

why would he say that???? adam, you can just say nothing!

call all destroyer, Friday, 2 June 2023 00:34 (one week ago) link

yeah cmon

ciderpress, Friday, 2 June 2023 00:35 (one week ago) link

wtffffff

Spottie, Friday, 2 June 2023 00:35 (one week ago) link

lmao adam silver dropping cliffhangers just before the finals what a showman

Clay, Friday, 2 June 2023 00:36 (one week ago) link

the decision 2

ciderpress, Friday, 2 June 2023 00:39 (one week ago) link

Vogel to coach suns

Spottie, Friday, 2 June 2023 16:33 (one week ago) link

disappointingly sane hire.

call all destroyer, Friday, 2 June 2023 17:34 (one week ago) link

Yah of all the big names he’s prob the best

Spottie, Friday, 2 June 2023 17:45 (one week ago) link

the coaching carousel spins again

lag∞n, Friday, 2 June 2023 17:46 (one week ago) link

nice. I forgot Vogel was available

symsymsym, Friday, 2 June 2023 23:27 (one week ago) link

glad it's not Ishbia's pal Isiah Thomas lol

symsymsym, Friday, 2 June 2023 23:27 (one week ago) link

messy

Sources: Kyrie Irving has reached out to Lakers star LeBron James in attempts to see if James would come to Dallas. Irving is a free agent this offseason.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 5, 2023

lag∞n, Monday, 5 June 2023 15:48 (five days ago) link

i am guessing the answer is no

ciderpress, Monday, 5 June 2023 15:53 (five days ago) link

smh

Tracer Hand, Monday, 5 June 2023 15:54 (five days ago) link

is kyrie trading luka too

J0rdan S., Monday, 5 June 2023 15:54 (five days ago) link

he should

ciderpress, Monday, 5 June 2023 15:56 (five days ago) link

btw if anyone wants to listen to a non finals, non playoffs offseason pod there is a good free hollinger & duncan podcast from last week on players up for veteran extensions. good offseason/longterm overview

J0rdan S., Monday, 5 June 2023 16:26 (five days ago) link

NBA fine with Victor Wembanyama's debut happening in Sacramento

who was asking this question and what sort of answer did they expect

mookieproof, Monday, 5 June 2023 21:29 (five days ago) link

seems unlikely he'll be on the board at #24 but you never know

ciderpress, Monday, 5 June 2023 21:44 (five days ago) link

sacramento is good now!

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 00:45 (four days ago) link

BREAKING: Phoenix Suns have notified star Chris Paul that he will be waived, making the future Hall of Famer one of the top free agents this offseason, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport.

— Chris Haynes (@ChrisBHaynes) June 7, 2023

ok!

k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 June 2023 21:20 (three days ago) link

lakers pls

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 21:53 (three days ago) link

lakers gonna lake

ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 21:59 (three days ago) link

i bet he'll go to la, but he should come to sa with wemby

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 22:24 (three days ago) link

paul’s actually good still I don’t want him to go to LA

k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 June 2023 22:41 (three days ago) link

Can the suns bring him back cheaper?

Spottie, Thursday, 8 June 2023 00:40 (two days ago) link

yeah i think they can

call all destroyer, Thursday, 8 June 2023 00:46 (two days ago) link

https://www.denverpost.com/2023/06/09/nuggets-trade-draft-picks-oklahoma-city/

if I’m reading this right, the nuggets traded a protected 2029 first round pick and in exchange got…2 firsts and a second?

k3vin k., Friday, 9 June 2023 16:50 (yesterday) link

that is my basic understanding of it

call all destroyer, Friday, 9 June 2023 17:04 (yesterday) link

a first and 2 seconds but yeah it doesn't necessarily add up

ciderpress, Friday, 9 June 2023 17:05 (yesterday) link

i guess OKC have too many picks so they're trading down a bit to defer a first round pick? maybe they think they'll be good next year and/or they think the draft pool will suck?

ciderpress, Friday, 9 June 2023 17:09 (yesterday) link

Also a bet that by 2029 the Jokic/Murray team will be on the downside and that pick might be better than their own.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 9 June 2023 17:12 (yesterday) link

would depend what the protections are on the pick if that's their angle

ciderpress, Friday, 9 June 2023 17:18 (yesterday) link

yeah so okc trades from their glut of current 1sts for a future first that has a chance to be good. denver adds some late 1sts in the near term to have a pipeline of cheap talent to add to the team. with the more restrictive CBA teams like denver need homegrown talent more than ever.

call all destroyer, Friday, 9 June 2023 17:33 (yesterday) link

yeah and the word from the cap heads is that teams like the thunder might find themselves in a tough spot with a bunch of potentially good players all needing contracts at once

k3vin k., Friday, 9 June 2023 18:40 (yesterday) link

they already have way too many picks, i saw this with the late ainge celtics, it's very easy to suddenly have too many picks

call all destroyer, Friday, 9 June 2023 18:42 (yesterday) link

the new cba sucks. the current one was just starting to work as intended.

Spottie, Friday, 9 June 2023 19:28 (yesterday) link

xp this was always the weird thing about okc trading for so many picks, whats the point if you never cash them in for a big piece? you cant play 20 guys that you draft in 7 years or w/e

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:54 (yesterday) link

hopefully the spurs dont make the same mistake, they should be trying to trade up into the midfirst round to get another guy to go with wembanyama.

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Friday, 9 June 2023 19:55 (yesterday) link

oh stop it luckbox franchise man

k3vin k., Friday, 9 June 2023 20:04 (yesterday) link

wow 9 franchises have had more #1 picks than the spurs, sounds like a skill issue to me

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Friday, 9 June 2023 20:33 (yesterday) link

spurs have mostly just been really good drafting and developing, and theyve had some timely lottery luck

lag∞n, Friday, 9 June 2023 20:42 (yesterday) link

ya I’m just joshing

k3vin k., Friday, 9 June 2023 20:49 (yesterday) link

btw have we talked about ja morant's team all of a sudden saying "it was actually a toy gun" like 3 weeks after the fact haha

lol everyone thought of that one the first day they should go on twitter more

lag∞n, Friday, 9 June 2023 20:51 (yesterday) link

simmons and russillo have already started to try to get ahead of the pendulum swing on this one and argue for a pretty lenient penalty, not sure what others are saying, needless to say i’m stoked for the discourse

k3vin k., Friday, 9 June 2023 21:13 (yesterday) link


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