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one of the all time greats deserves his own thread.

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Thursday, 29 December 2022 17:15 (one month ago) link

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Thursday, 29 December 2022 17:15 (one month ago) link

from hollinger’s column:

The thing about the NBA MVP award is that only one person can win it, which makes things a bit problematic when multiple players appear to be having MVP-caliber seasons.

I wrote about this dilemma a year ago, when three players had bonkers campaigns that would have made them runaway winners in any normal year. Instead, Nikola Jokić narrowly won a second straight MVP award over Joel Embiid and Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Granted, we’re not even halfway through the 2022-23 season yet, but this year’s MVP traffic only seems worse. To wit:

Boston’s Jayson Tatum has been the best player on the league’s best team, automatically bestowing MVP equity. And this isn’t on the same level as the “You have to consider Devin Booker because the Suns won 64 games” vibe of a year ago. Tatum legitimately has a case for being the best player this time around, as a two-way menace averaging 30.9 points per game for the league’s best offense. He punctuated his candidacy with a 41-points-on 22-shots tour de force against mighty Milwaukee on Christmas.
Kevin Durant has spent the past month reminding everyone how amazing he is. Durant is averaging 29.3 points on 68 percent true shooting since the beginning of November, and his defense has been on par, if not even better than his offense. The Nets have won nine straight to pass Cleveland and Philly in the standings and are breathing down the necks of Boston and Milwaukee for the top spot. At age 34, Durant has also played in 33 of Brooklyn’s 34 games and is third in the NBA in minutes.
Luka Dončić is an offense unto himself for a short-handed Dallas team, one that is ninth in the NBA in offensive efficiency despite having virtually no shot-creation anywhere else on the roster. On top of his ever-widening array of tricks, feints and pivots in the basket area, Dončić has massively increased his free-throw rate in his fifth pro season while shooting a scalding 58.1 percent inside the arc. He’s third in the league in PER, second in scoring and second in BPM despite the near-constant attention from defenses.
Giannis? No, he didn’t go anywhere. The Bucks superstar is fourth in scoring, leads the league in free-throw attempts and remains a monstrous presence for the league’s fifth-ranked defense despite a dip in his PER to “just” 28.1 so far.
Embiid is still here too. He got off to a slow start, but quickly made up for lost time, to the point that he now leads the league in scoring. A lack of durability could again work against him – he has already missed eight games – but at his current rate, it might not matter. Embiid’s December splits are truly ridiculous: 35.9 points, 50 percent from 3, 86.4 percent from the line, 65.8 percent true shooting, more assists than turnovers and eight straight wins for the Sixers. He’s also played every game since Nov. 28.
All of this would make for an amazing five-way MVP race! How we do choose?

Except for one inconvenient fact … the Joker.

The two-time reigning MVP is still here, clowning fools in slow motion with no-look passes, impossibly soft running floaters and all the other random cool stuff he does that seems impossible for a huge ground-bound guy until he does it.

Here, have a Smitty from your opponent’s giant center:

That’s from Nikola Jokić’s 41-point, 15-rebound, 15-assist triple-double against Phoenix on Christmas night, which was notable mostly for how unremarkable it seemed. He was just kind of having a regular game for him and ended up compiling these stats. At 24.4 points, 11.0 rebounds and 9.4 assists per game, Jokić has an outside shot at averaging a triple-double for the season.

The NBA hasn’t had an MVP three-peat since Larry Bird (1984-86), and those of you suffering from Joker fatigue in the MVP vote will need to do some soul searching again this season. Jokić’s PER of 32.2 not only leads the league, but also nearly matches last season’s career high. His 12.4. BPM leads the league by a wide margin … and it’s also higher than his first MVP season.

His 68.5 percent true shooting? Well, it doesn’t lead the league, but it does for medium- to high-usage players (anyone over 20 percent) and it is easily the best mark of his career. Durant is choking on his dust back at 67.3. There’s a good reason for this: Jokić has cut back sharply on taking 3s after hitting 33.7 percent a year ago, flinging them barely half as often as last year to instead move to his comfort zone from midrange. (Fun stat: Jokić is shooting 61 percent this season on midrange shots, according to Cleaning the Glass. What?!?!)

His 45.7 percent assist percentage? No, that doesn’t quite lead the league. Dončić and Indiana’s Tyrese Hailburton are still slightly ahead of him. But, did I mention Jokić is a center? His rate is nearly twice that of any other five (Embiid is next at 24.4), and yes, is a career high for a player who already was cemented as the best passing big man of all time before the season tipped off.

All of this would be easy to write off were it not for one other inconvenient fact: Jokić’s team is also in first place in the West at 21-11, a half game ahead of second-place New Orleans.

The biggest argument against the Joker the past two years – and the biggest reason voter fatigue was likely to get in the way of a three-peat – was that the Nuggets were good, but not among the league’s elite, winning 47 and 48 games, respectively. Well, what now? What if they finish first in the West, with the team still hemorrhaging points any time Jokić leaves the floor? This year’s Nuggets have a whopping TWENTY-FIVE-POINT differential between having Jokić on the court (plus-11.3 points per 100 possessions) and off it (minus-13.6 points).

No amount of staggering or tinkering has seemed able to fix this, although the Nuggets’ recent stretch of seven wins in eight games has seen more stability from the second group. If they finish first in the West with the team going instantly into tire-fire mode anytime Jokić leaves the floor, how could he not be the MVP?

There’s still more than half a season to play and torrents of water left to go under the bridge. Injuries will inevitably scratch a few names from the race. Slumps may do so as well; the Nuggets are hardly ironclad with their half-game lead atop the West, especially given that they rank only 11th in net margin of victory and 25th in defense. (Jokić, for all his positives, is not exactly an imposing rim protector; he has good hands and positions himself well, but to date, his greatest defensive accomplishment has been mastering the kick-ball violation.) And maybe Durant renders all this discussion irrelevant by averaging 35 a game during a 20-game win streak or something.

But the Nuggets’ unexpected appearance at the top of the standings, despite still trying to incorporate Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Jr. through an uneven first half of the season, makes for some interesting conversation for the second half.

The presumption heading into the season was that Joker fatigue would take over the MVP race, and voters would shift toward rewarding a player whose team was at or near the top of the standings.

But what if that player turns out to be Nikola Jokić?

k3vin k., Thursday, 29 December 2022 19:51 (one month ago) link

they shouldnt have given it to him last year now they cant give it to him this year, his best season

lag∞n, Thursday, 29 December 2022 19:54 (one month ago) link

there's an understandable urge to vote for someone new, but as k3vin's article indicates, that vote's going to split badly among four or five other players and the joker might just win again based on that

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 29 December 2022 20:14 (one month ago) link

it's a long season

enjoyed this deep dive into jokic, one mind blowing stat is that this year the nuggets have 11 fewer assists per 100 possessions with jokic on the bench, which I guess is the best of all time, other leaders on the list are like peak nash lebron curry etc seasons

k3vin k., Monday, 2 January 2023 00:34 (one month ago) link

I think there’s a reasonable chance that in terms of impact on wins and losses jokic is significantly better than his basic numbers indicate, might be even better than being a 2 time MVP might suggest, just my thoughts

k3vin k., Tuesday, 3 January 2023 00:55 (one month ago) link

Feel like you could say that for the handful of mvp level dudes in the league but I get your point.

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 05:01 (one month ago) link

thats why everyone wants the big dogs

lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 15:21 (one month ago) link

theres also a thing where denvers roster just really doesnt work without him in there

lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 15:23 (one month ago) link

Very random but I can't stop thinking about how the other night Nikola Jokic jumped to try to create space between him and Bam Adebayo.

No fake pass from Jamal Murray or anything. Just jumped to try to trick Bam, then ran to the ball.

Gonna call this the "Joker jump."

— Wes Goldberg (@wcgoldberg) January 4, 2023

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 23:34 (one month ago) link

ha got em

lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 23:55 (one month ago) link

him and kornet should start a cheerleading school

Bruce Brown, last 2 seasons...

31-for-57 (54.4%) from the right corner.
12-for-59 (20.3%) from the left corner.

— John Schuhmann (@johnschuhmann) January 7, 2023

gonna use this as a nuggets thread

k3vin k., Saturday, 7 January 2023 16:45 (four weeks ago) link

faked me out in slomo while i was expecting something crazy


— Steve Jones Jr. (@stevejones20) January 10, 2023

lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 02:22 (three weeks ago) link

Love those kinda slow mo 360 dribble moves, luka does does a lot

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 02:43 (three weeks ago) link

yeah good for husky boys who can give a lil bump at the end of the spin and get their shoulders by

lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 02:49 (three weeks ago) link

14-11-16-1-1 tonight. ON 5 SHOTS (5-5 fg, 1-1 3p, 3-3 ft)

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 04:45 (three weeks ago) link

what on earth lol

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 05:15 (three weeks ago) link

that’s truly silly it is making me laugh thinking about it

Clay, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 05:52 (three weeks ago) link

I missed 95% of the game due to a flight but it’s a sort of line Ive seen plenty of times from jokic (ok, the perfect shooting triple double is only something he’s done once). it’s a thing he does when he doesn’t respect the opponent in my viewing experience

k3vin k., Tuesday, 10 January 2023 06:27 (three weeks ago) link

also does anyone know if anyone keeps stats on opening tips? jokic has to be bottom 10% at that, seems like I never see him win one lol

k3vin k., Tuesday, 10 January 2023 06:28 (three weeks ago) link

alright maybe I’m way off base because according to “” the nuggets win 70% of their tips?

k3vin k., Tuesday, 10 January 2023 06:35 (three weeks ago) link

Nuggs vibe check

“This is the best locker room I have been a part of.”

-Bruce Brown on the Nuggets roster. He said they spend off nights together, play Call of Duty and other stuff.

— T.J. McBride (@TJMcBrideNBA) January 10, 2023

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 06:47 (three weeks ago) link

Nugs vibes seem good but let’s not forget that Bruce Brown’s previous NBA locker room experiences are the Pistons and Nets

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 13:53 (three weeks ago) link

haha yes

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 15:50 (three weeks ago) link

true lol

k3vin k., Tuesday, 10 January 2023 17:22 (three weeks ago) link

wow this locker room is great theres no kyrie or james harden in it

lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 18:15 (three weeks ago) link

i now realize that was a bad post i apologize

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 19:25 (three weeks ago) link

lol it does seem like the vibes are good tho

lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 19:28 (three weeks ago) link

I think having a chill guy like jokic who is also a world-beater leading the team is a formula for good vibes. his teammates legit revere him

k3vin k., Tuesday, 10 January 2023 19:29 (three weeks ago) link

its true saw a bones interview where he seemed legit amazed at jokers humility, like it was something he hadnt even considered possible

lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 19:31 (three weeks ago) link

yeah I watch a lot of local segments they show on the league pass streams and it’s a borderline cult

k3vin k., Tuesday, 10 January 2023 19:46 (three weeks ago) link

you are in a cult kev seek help

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 19:46 (three weeks ago) link

I seek help from jokic only he will save me

k3vin k., Tuesday, 10 January 2023 19:49 (three weeks ago) link


lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 20:40 (three weeks ago) link

joks bruv

two biyombo pick and roll finishes to start out, nice

k3vin k., Thursday, 12 January 2023 03:15 (three weeks ago) link

the torrey craig redemption show part 2

k3vin k., Thursday, 12 January 2023 03:21 (three weeks ago) link

The best 1:42 you will spend today 😂

— Denver Nuggets (@nuggets) January 14, 2023

k3vin k., Saturday, 14 January 2023 22:01 (three weeks ago) link

Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe are such Nikola Jokic fans/supporters/believers.

They can’t help themselves when talking about Nikola, they are like little kids on Christmas morning when they talk Jokic.

Love it. @Adam_Mares @HarrisonWind @DLineCo @BrendanVogt #Nuggets

— JB Denver Sports (@JB_DenverSports) January 14, 2023

k3vin k., Saturday, 14 January 2023 22:58 (three weeks ago) link

No cap like I am wearing no hat

8-6-5-1 in 10 mins of the first quarter

k3vin k., Monday, 16 January 2023 01:43 (three weeks ago) link


— Wobkola Jokić (@WorldWideWob) January 16, 2023

big shot big honey

k3vin k., Monday, 16 January 2023 03:37 (three weeks ago) link

he's somehow so chill

symsymsym, Monday, 16 January 2023 05:23 (three weeks ago) link

just don’t dunk on him

Nikola said he told Bol after the game: "If you dunk one more time on me, I'm gonna F him (up)."

— Mike Singer (@msinger) January 16, 2023

k3vin k., Monday, 16 January 2023 05:28 (three weeks ago) link

Great pass, comical shot

— Taco Trey Kerby (@treykerby) January 18, 2023

four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 17:00 (two weeks ago) link


With the Orlando Magic, Gordon was miscast as a wing. Orlando was overstocked with bigs. Gordon had ambitions of LeBron James-style ball dominance. Over several roster mutations, none of it worked. Across the league -- even within Orlando -- insiders wondered: Why couldn't Gordon access his inner Draymond Green? He could be the superstar role player every good team needs!

How wonderful when experience and luck put someone in the right place to fulfill their destiny at the moment they are ready to accept it. Gordon is the perfect support player for Nikola Jokic, and he's enjoying a career season: 16.5 points, 7 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 59% shooting -- 37.6% on 3s, and 65% on 2s.

As a leaper with size and anticipation, Gordon is an ideal target for Jokic -- on cuts, and leaking out in transition. But Gordon is doing so much more than dining on Jokic's passing genius.

He's been vicious as a post-up scorer, and defenses are starting to send help -- even when Gordon doesn't have a size mismatch. Denver's trusting Gordon to make the right plays:

He still gets to run some pick-and-roll, and has great chemistry with Jokic. The Nuggets have averaged 1.33 points when Gordon shoots out of the pick-and-roll or dishes to a teammate who fires -- No. 1 (!) among almost 200 ball handlers who have run at least 75 such plays, per Second Spectrum.

Gordon's supplementary passing has been a big boost. He's heaving accurate outlets, leading fast breaks, and pinging smart extra passes around the perimeter. The Nuggets have sets for Gordon to facilitate from the elbows. What are you supposed to do here -- with Gordon holding the ball at the right elbow, Jokic setting a down screen for Bruce Brown at the left elbow, and ace shooters in each corner?

On defense, Gordon can guard all five positions. His pinpoint rotations and shot-blocking are essential in Denver's demanding scheme.

Gordon has a real All-Star case.

k3vin k., Friday, 20 January 2023 15:41 (two weeks ago) link

jamal is doing his best jokic impression: has 12-9-9-2 3 mins into the 3rd quarter. would be his first career triple double

k3vin k., Saturday, 21 January 2023 03:29 (two weeks ago) link

*taps the sign*

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 21 January 2023 03:39 (two weeks ago) link

jesus christ this nuggets game is a religious experience

k3vin k., Saturday, 21 January 2023 03:49 (two weeks ago) link

30 assists for the team through 3 quarters with jokic not playing. 38 point third quarter

k3vin k., Saturday, 21 January 2023 03:53 (two weeks ago) link

season high 15 dunks

k3vin k., Saturday, 21 January 2023 04:05 (two weeks ago) link

nikola jokic is a system player

k3vin k., Saturday, 21 January 2023 04:05 (two weeks ago) link


hint: I was entertained 😂

— Katy Winge (@katywinge) January 21, 2023

k3vin k., Saturday, 21 January 2023 15:05 (two weeks ago) link

just dunk every time idk why more teams dont do it

lag∞n, Saturday, 21 January 2023 15:12 (two weeks ago) link

its a high percentage shot

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Saturday, 21 January 2023 18:52 (two weeks ago) link

Joker is stylin' tonight in Denver 🔥

— NBA (@NBA) January 21, 2023

lag∞n, Saturday, 21 January 2023 20:11 (two weeks ago) link

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that absolute dominance would look like that.

Jeff, Saturday, 21 January 2023 21:27 (two weeks ago) link

John 13:7 “You may not know now, but later you’ll understand”

— Bones Hyland (@BizzyBones11) January 30, 2023

poor guy, there are lots of trade rumors about him and that’s got to be tough on a second year player. KCP said yesterday or the day before that it really affected him earlier in his career. that said I think the nuggets should definitely look to move him if the right offer comes along, though I doubt it will

k3vin k., Monday, 30 January 2023 20:23 (one week ago) link

not sure he's shown enough to net much in return. seems like useful player to have on your roster but if hes checked out and feels disrespected then not what can you do

four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 00:34 (six days ago) link

Jok pullin' out all the tricks 🃏

— Denver Nuggets (@nuggets) February 1, 2023

k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 February 2023 04:09 (five days ago) link

what a move.

sknybrg, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 04:23 (five days ago) link

not sure ive ever seen someone split a double team like that, lull them to sleep

four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 04:46 (five days ago) link

Magic Jokic

Nikola Jokic with a fantastic assist to Michael Porter Jr. on the cut#Nuggets #MileHighBasketball

— Joel Rush (@JoelRushNBA) February 1, 2023

k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 February 2023 04:56 (five days ago) link

dying at this

Nikola Jokic responds to a reporter informing him that he is now averaging a triple double

— hoops bot (@hoops_bot) February 1, 2023

four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 22:42 (five days ago) link


slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Thursday, 2 February 2023 00:50 (four days ago) link


POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 February 2023 04:53 (four days ago) link

what a king

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 2 February 2023 10:00 (four days ago) link

22-14-16 on 9/13 shooting, +22, W

k3vin k., Friday, 3 February 2023 11:44 (three days ago) link

Aaron Gordon's career season is not the result of expanding his game, but narrowing it. On the benefits of doing less in order to do so much more, at @fivethirtyeight:

pls enjoy this video of Jokic finding AG for sick dunks

— Yaya Dubin (@JADubin5) February 3, 2023

Last year, AG set a career high with 130 dunks in 75 games. This season, he already has 125 dunks. More than a quarter of his shots have been dunks! All he does is dunk, dunk, dunk, no matter what. And it's awesome.

— Yaya Dubin (@JADubin5) February 3, 2023

k3vin k., Friday, 3 February 2023 19:37 (three days ago) link

love our big dunking boy

k3vin k., Friday, 3 February 2023 20:44 (three days ago) link

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