worst-run NBA franchise as of the 2022 offseason

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"run" being a combination of ownership and front office management; other criteria up to you

Poll Results

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Sacramento Kings 5
Minnesota Timberwolves 3
New York Knicks 3
Charlotte Hornets 3
Los Angeles Lakers 2
Washington Wizards 2
Boston Celtics 1
San Antonio Spurs 0
New Orleans Pelicans 0
Utah Jazz 0
Oklahoma City Thunder 0
Orlando Magic 0
Philadelphia 76ers 0
Toronto Raptors 0
Portland Trail Blazers 0
Phoenix Suns 0
Milwaukee Bucks 0
Miami Heat 0
Brooklyn Nets 0
Chicago Bulls 0
Cleveland Cavaliers 0
Dallas Mavericks 0
Denver Nuggets 0
Detroit Pistons 0
Golden State Warriors 0
Houston Rockets 0
Indiana Pacers 0
Los Angeles Clippers 0
Memphis Grizzlies 0
Atlanta Hawks 0


call all destroyer, Thursday, 7 July 2022 01:51 (one month ago) link

my initial thinking is that washington, charlotte, and sac are the serious contenders, and the lakers are the dark horse.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 7 July 2022 02:20 (one month ago) link

there's some strong newcomers but i think it's still the kings for now

ciderpress, Thursday, 7 July 2022 02:21 (one month ago) link

wolves deserve consideration

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 July 2022 02:24 (one month ago) link

the charlotte coach thing was a disaster and there's this feeling about them that they just never learn

Clay, Thursday, 7 July 2022 02:25 (one month ago) link

voted kings.

last time they drafted someone who became an all-star was demarcus cousins (2010). they have had top 12 picks ever year since 2007 save 2019. that pick was traded as part of a salary dump in order to make a run on free agents when they signed rondo, marco belinelli, kosta koufos, seth curry, among others. they finished 10th. from that same trade, they also had to swap picks with the 6ers who ended up with #3 (eventually tatum). but hey, deaaron fox is p good.

theyve passed on generational talent, and then when they walked backwards into a great player (halliburton) they trade him to once again pursue a "win-now" strategy that will probably end with them finishing 10th again and extending their playoff futility streak to 17 straight yeats. an absolutely cursed franchise that desperately needs to relocate, change its name, gets its fingerprints sandpapered off, etc. maybe go back to the rochester royals, they did after all win the 1951 nba title back then.

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Thursday, 7 July 2022 02:27 (one month ago) link

You make an excellent case, monsieur bison.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 7 July 2022 02:57 (one month ago) link

i'd be a bad fan if i didn't vote for the knicks here

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 July 2022 14:08 (one month ago) link

The knicks have massive natural advantages over 90% of the franchises so it's crazy how directionless and mediocre they've been since Riley left. But Sacto's dysfunction is 'turtles all the way down'.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:28 (one month ago) link

Don’t sleep on the Pistons here. They paid Jerami Grant 40 million dollars and then traded him to move from the 46th pick to the 36th.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:31 (one month ago) link

pistons drafting the last couple of years is too competent, feels like theyre on the right track

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:48 (one month ago) link

they also got a bucks first and two other second round picks for grant… but ok

we could talk about how they gave marvin bagley 3/37 tho

J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:52 (one month ago) link

not the worst in THIS economy, that woulda been a 3/18 in 2015

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:54 (one month ago) link

yeah but he’s actively bad

the pistons have done some weird stuff no doubt and bcuz of the van gundy era/blake griffin deal you could totally throw them in here. but the draft has fallen their way the last few years so they’ll prob end up ok

J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:56 (one month ago) link

troy weaver has some weird player evaluations but they seem like they're on the upswing for now

call all destroyer, Thursday, 7 July 2022 19:09 (one month ago) link

Ah shit i misread the title as “worst run of the 2022 offseason,” as in solely based on the last month. Pleas consider a Charlotte vote to in fact be for the Kangz

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 7 July 2022 20:55 (one month ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:01 (three weeks ago) link

i think it has to be the kings, although maybe they outfoxed the league on the keegan murray thing. but they've made a bunch of moves and if they even get out of the play in this year it would feel like a miracle. the sheer amount of dysfunction and losing across two decades now is just staggering across sports let alone the NBA

i think my second choice would have to be between the t wolves and wizards? we could have a long debate over which offseason move was more damaging to its franchise longterm between the gobert trade and the beal contract. the wolves haven't won a playoff series in 18 years and aside from lucking into the no 1 overall pick i have no idea what positive thing the franchise has done in that time period. i guess we give some credit for picking edwards since he wasn't a no doubt no 1 pick, but then the guy who picked him got fired for having an affair w/ someone in the office. and their new owner is a rod. i guess they might win a first round series this year but it's far from guaranteed & they mortgaged potentially 10 years of the franchise to make it happen. then again i'm not sure a single good thing could be said about ted leonsis, their drafting has been horrible, the beal contract is a nightmare, the franchise is fucked philosophically on a base level because of the owner. i really could go either way

hornets and knicks would prob round out my top 5

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:29 (three weeks ago) link

They drafted KAT over Okafer

They hired a coach who doubled their win total with essentially the same roster

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:34 (three weeks ago) link

the anti-all-nba. the no-nba if u will.

xp

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:35 (three weeks ago) link

They made the playoffs for the second time in forever

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:35 (three weeks ago) link

They were fun to watch

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:35 (three weeks ago) link

i ended up voting wolves. the history of horrendous is too deep and too rich. the 2009 draft alone...

Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:36 (three weeks ago) link

i think i would've taken the wolves out of consideration for this given last season but they made a trade so insane that it has singlehandedly screeched the NBA trade market to a halt. that has to put them right back in the mix

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:43 (three weeks ago) link

i think i'm going wizards. this offseason is just too catastrophic, a culmination of their incredibly stupid approach to running a basketball team.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:44 (three weeks ago) link

that's completely defensible

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:46 (three weeks ago) link

a huge upset that the cavs have fallen outside of the top 5 here, tho i think i'd rank them number 6. but still -- progress!

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:46 (three weeks ago) link

cavs look good for the future and they cd sign bron again next year, good 4 them

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:47 (three weeks ago) link

it seems like gilbert's health stuff has taken him away from the franchise and prob brought some stability there. their track record outside of being gifted the presence of lebron was as poor as any of these teams until basically last season. i still don't trust koby altman but the garland and mobley picks have them set up to be firmly outside of trainwreck status for a decent while prob

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:49 (three weeks ago) link

honestly theres ~five defensible choices here.

Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:50 (three weeks ago) link

yeah i don't trust the cavs overall but drafting garland and mobley and getting jarrett allen for nothing is an undeniably nice run.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:51 (three weeks ago) link

Yah they seem to be set up for a nice future.

I really like the lakers as a choice here too. A bit Hard to include them cos the fact they’re in southern CA and have the clout so they’ll always have stars to bail them out. but it’s easy to forget the magic fiasco was just a short while ago. And the rwb signing.

Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 00:56 (three weeks ago) link

yeah for sure. there's no real qualifications for running a basketball franchise -- or doing it well, anyway -- but when you have someone in the job who is there only via inheritance that's a major red flag. they lucked into a title by trading a bunch of shit for davis and most crucially catching the league in a weird year -- the warriors decimated by injuries, KD was out that entire year, kawhi had switched teams taking the defending champs out of contention -- but outside of that one season it's basically been constant drama and really poor seasons. i mean, to miss the playoffs 2 out of 3 years with lebron on your team should basically be an automatic inclusion in this discussion

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 01:03 (three weeks ago) link

the lakers definitely have a case. because they're such a weird organization, they've actually done well with some low-end draft pick and player development stuff, while also making huge mistakes everywhere else.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 01:25 (three weeks ago) link

If the Lakers franchise has a shot, then the Noel>Okafor>Simmons>Fultz>Colangelo's Burner>Zhaire Smith/Mikal Bridges gives the Sixers a shot.

doomposting is the new composting (PBKR), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 02:17 (three weeks ago) link

Rough… but being in contention with embiid in the roster kinda masks a lot of that

Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 04:44 (three weeks ago) link

tbh you could argue for the sixers to be in the bottom 10… even after all the hinkie bullshit mentioned above they ran a no 1 pick out of town and had to attach two firsts and one of their best role players to take back a “star” who might singlehandedly tank embiid’s prime. we’re two seasons away from embiid entering his 30s without ever appearing in a conference finals game which would make a great case for the sixers being high up in this discussion. and there’s no way anyone would put them in the top 2 of the east heading into the year

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 04:47 (three weeks ago) link

Also the whole Jimmy butler thing

Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 05:04 (three weeks ago) link

you guys are being pretty harsh toward a franchise that won the title just two years ago and five more since 2000

are they fucked now? very possibly, but banners hang forever. can’t believe you’re putting them in the same conversation with the kings or wizards

mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 05:35 (three weeks ago) link

well if we’re being honest they won the title two years ago bcuz they were in the city of LA and lebron wanted to live there for lifestyle/business reasons and then his agent/business partner forced his star client to their team via trade. if there was ever a title where you could give the franchise little to no credit, it’s that one (and lebron’s title in cleveland, lol). they’re def not in the same tier as the wizards or kings but the constant drama out of there and stuff that trickles out from time to time about how jeanie buss runs things is really unflattering. their GM’s main qualification for the job was having been kobe’s agent. i think if you were gonna list out qualities of successful franchises the lakers of the last 10 years would tick very few of those boxes they just… happen to be the lakers.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 06:01 (three weeks ago) link

this woj column from 2008 on the disbelief across the league over what the lakers were allowed to trade for pau gasol is a good re-read… shit like this has been keeping them afloat for a long ass time now

https://news.yahoo.com/memphis-owner-now-questions-value-184500409--nba.html

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 06:04 (three weeks ago) link

lakers are the only team left that isnt owned by some hedge fund guy and its starting to show, theyre just not as professional as the rest of the league, they are still the lakers tho

lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 12:39 (three weeks ago) link

i think i would've taken the wolves out of consideration for this given last season but they made a trade so insane that it has singlehandedly screeched the NBA trade market to a halt. that has to put them right back in the mix

― J0rdan S., Monday, July 18, 2022 8:43 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

yeah i voted wolves just because they traded seven picks for the lamest player in the league, the real answer is prob the kings tho

lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 12:41 (three weeks ago) link

Permission requested to add the Phoenix suns into bottom ten consideration

Goran Dragic reveals that Suns owner Robert Sarver was “happy” he didn’t make the All-Star game in 2013-2014:

Sarver came to Dragic in the gym after hearing the news and told him he was “glad” he now didn’t have to pay him his $1M ASG bonus.

(via Frojlke z Googyem Pod) pic.twitter.com/NJvOQLvuIY

— ProCity Hoops (@ProCityHoops) July 19, 2022

Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 15:37 (three weeks ago) link

Permission requested to add the Phoenix suns into bottom ten consideration

Goran Dragic reveals that Suns owner Robert Sarver was “happy” he didn’t make the All-Star game in 2013-2014:

Sarver came to Dragic in the gym after hearing the news and told him he was “glad” he now didn’t have to pay him his $1M ASG bonus.

(via Frojlke z Googyem Pod) pic.twitter.com/NJvOQLvuIY

— ProCity Hoops (@ProCityHoops) July 19, 2022

Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 15:37 (three weeks ago) link

typical shit that bosses think is a funny joke

lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 15:43 (three weeks ago) link

suns really should be on here as long as sarver is the owner.. which may come to an end soon? is that ever gonna get resolved?

Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 16:11 (three weeks ago) link

speaking of the wizards. from hollinger's summer league write up...

Johnny Davis, Washington: Look, I was down on him heading into the draft, but I wasn’t this down on him. Davis played three games for the Wizards and never got going, shooting 8 of 27 and making a limited impact in the other box score categories. Washington had him mostly playing off the ball, which also was how he played at Wisconsin, but it was odd to see how uninvolved he was given the lottery pick investment in him. Overall, his 4.9 PER was the third-worst of any draftee in summer league, and the other two weren’t lottery picks.

The greater question resulting from his performance is the one of what his differentiating skill is at the pro level. He can jump and defend but he doesn’t have a point guard’s handle, is not a knockdown 3-point shooter and the midrangers he subsisted on in college are much tougher looks against NBA length. Perhaps his struggles in Vegas only end up as a mere blip, but perhaps it’s a sign of something more serious.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 17:49 (three weeks ago) link

wizards first round picks since bradley beal:

otto porter
jerian grant
troy brown jr
rui hachimura
deni avdija
corey kispert

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 17:52 (three weeks ago) link

oof

Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 17:57 (three weeks ago) link

thats not good

lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 17:59 (three weeks ago) link

washington wound up with kelly oubre in the jerian grant year

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 18:01 (three weeks ago) link

not a major difference maker, but he's prob the second-best player out of that bunch lol

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 18:01 (three weeks ago) link

and he was better at prob every other stop after that (warriors aside)

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 July 2022 18:02 (three weeks ago) link

after watching him for a full season i can safely say oubre is a net negative player. but yeah still the 2nd best on there.

Spottie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 18:04 (three weeks ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 00:01 (three weeks ago) link

the once and future kings

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 00:02 (three weeks ago) link

lol at whoever voted celtics tho

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 00:02 (three weeks ago) link

solid bottom 6 there

Spottie, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 00:04 (three weeks ago) link

This is wild. 😳

(h/t @ClutchPointsApp) pic.twitter.com/muSmsgYZJZ

— Hoop Central (@TheHoopCentral) July 20, 2022

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:26 (three weeks ago) link

Incredible

Spottie, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:45 (three weeks ago) link

wha lol

lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 21:02 (three weeks ago) link


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