a dedicated thread to discuss the nba and its surrounding media ecosystem's inadequate responses to DV and SA

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this miles bridges case is the latest, but between kobe, derrick rose, jaxson hayes, the mavs front office, jason kidd getting to have job after job, and others, it really feels like the nba's modus operandi is to hide behind the "let the law handle this" and issue zero consequences to its employees. all the sports leagues are bad about this, but nba feels worse bc they hide behind a veil of progressivism with the wnba and elevate a few women in coaching and front offices.

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:00 (six months ago) link

Link to the post from miles victim, has pics and details so don’t click if you want to avoid

Spottie, Friday, 1 July 2022 05:55 (six months ago) link

Maybe that link didn’t work but you can find it on Her IG and Twitter. She also has video of their kid talking about and I’m sick. Hope he never plays another minute in the nba

Spottie, Friday, 1 July 2022 06:06 (six months ago) link

Good thread fuck that guy

Heez, Friday, 1 July 2022 11:11 (six months ago) link

i would really like to see the league take action on this but am not optimistic.

call all destroyer, Friday, 1 July 2022 13:02 (six months ago) link

i think the nba is going to have to address it in light of the photo evidence

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Friday, 1 July 2022 14:44 (six months ago) link

that would be contingent on adam silver actually doing something for the first time since he made sterling sell.

call all destroyer, Friday, 1 July 2022 14:48 (six months ago) link

yeah, and there will invariably be allegations of hypocricy bc jason kidd has never wanted for work in this league, kendrick nunn was still allowed to join with a team, jaxson hayes is still here after pleading no contest to false imprisonment, etc. but that just be more reason why the league needs clear consequences for abusers.

this makes me yearn for politically organized fan groups a la supporters groups in soccer. imagine the kind of pressure a team's fans could have if they boycotted the team en masse for signing abusers.

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Friday, 1 July 2022 15:11 (six months ago) link

baseball has taken a pretty strong stance recently on DV/abuse cases, they have the latitude to suspend players regardless of criminal findings. they have suspended players for 75-100 games, whole seasons recently. trevor bauer got 324 games even tho his accuser’s case got dismissed

the NFL will have a big one coming up with deshaun watson. the recent reporting is that he’ll get suspended for the whole season but i’m in “i’ll believe when i see it mode” on that one. they’ve issued a few long suspensions in high profile cases but those were really obvious ones. ezekiel elliot got 6 games a few years ago.

comparatively the NBA does seem to be lagging. the thing is that with baseball in particular the commissioner’s ability to issue suspensions or put players on leave is in the league CBA. i have no idea what silver is allowed to do per the CBA… maybe it’s something that will be addressed in the new CBA negotiations. it’s possible the union is as much or more of a hinderance than the league office/silver is

J0rdan S., Friday, 1 July 2022 17:27 (six months ago) link

it’s possible, but i have to think that silver could find some mechanism to do something if he wanted to. even if it’s in a cba gray area he could do it and dare the union to push back.

call all destroyer, Friday, 1 July 2022 17:38 (six months ago) link

The charges against Miles Bridges and how the NBA Domestic Violence policy workshttps://t.co/Cu1sAEh84U

— SB Nation NBA (@SBNationNBA) July 1, 2022

J0rdan S., Friday, 1 July 2022 18:09 (six months ago) link

i dont know how any self-respecting team could sign him. i hadnt read all the details, but it sounds like his wife is making a life-saving move bringing this abuse to light. i feel like the strongest message here is a lifetime ban from the nba.

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Friday, 1 July 2022 18:18 (six months ago) link

we can only hope. seriously seeing their kid talk about broke me.

Spottie, Friday, 1 July 2022 18:31 (six months ago) link

i dont know how any self-respecting team could sign him.

Thing is that teams are desperate to win and will overlook criminal behavior in pursuit of Ws.

Antifa Lockhart (Leee), Friday, 1 July 2022 18:37 (six months ago) link

see: browns, cleveland

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Friday, 1 July 2022 18:40 (six months ago) link

Sources expect Charlotte to pull the qualifying offer for Miles Bridges making him an unrestricted free agent after being charged for domestic violence by the LAPD.

— Emiliano Carchia (@Carchia) July 2, 2022

Antifa Lockhart (Leee), Saturday, 2 July 2022 16:41 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

has the nba done anything at this point? hornets didn't pull their qualifying offer so he'll still get paid this year.

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:32 (six months ago) link

i did not realize he was a klutch guy.

Spottie, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:54 (six months ago) link

just because hes still under contract now doesnt mean he will actually get paid

micah, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 21:15 (six months ago) link

Facing up to ~12 years if convicted of current charges.

Spottie, Thursday, 21 July 2022 00:54 (six months ago) link

since there aren’t any games i doubt the league is in a rush to do anything... feels like the ball is in the hornets court

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:13 (six months ago) link

And all they’ve done is release the same release twice with the usual “let it play out” stuff

Spottie, Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:20 (six months ago) link

i feel like as long as he’s facing multiple years in prison on credible charges there’s little chance of him being signed. really doubt a team that isn’t charlotte would go out of their way to get involved in this so i guess it comes down to whether the hornets sign him to the minimum amount they can just to retain his rights?

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:23 (six months ago) link

looks like the league has only ever handed down multi year bans for repeated failed drug tests. arenas was suspended for the remainder of the 2010 season over the gun stuff, of course there was artest. from what i can tell silver is working without precedent in a world that takes this stuff more seriously than ever (one hopes) … i feel like he’ll get a long suspension but something far short of being banned for life (not sure that would even hold up legally/CBA wise) and we’ll see if he gets effectively blackballed a la ray rice. i feel like the latter is prob the most likely outcome w/ the league making some implicit decree that he won’t ever play again

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:26 (six months ago) link

prob can’t rule out some team signing him to a one year deal in a few years & then cutting him two days later after public backlash. can’t trust these teams

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:27 (six months ago) link

this does seem to be trending toward his career being over one way or another

call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:31 (six months ago) link

There’s a chance it won’t matter cos he’ll be locked up no?

Spottie, Thursday, 21 July 2022 03:47 (six months ago) link

doubt he gets anything close to the max sentence

micah, Thursday, 21 July 2022 06:39 (six months ago) link

i think once you go to prison for any real length of time (like anything more than a few months) you’re pretty much done as a pro athlete, regardless of how young you are. the only example i can think of is michael vick but he was a no 1 overall pick phenom level player so i think he got an unusual amount of leeway. also his victims weren’t humans which prob made it easier for him to return. henry ruggs will likely serve a sentence that releases him in his athletic prime but i doubt he’ll ever play in the NFL again

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 07:40 (six months ago) link

actually matt bush who is a reliever for the rangers did 3 years in prison and was signed after his release and ended up making it to the majors a year later. but he was convicted on a series of DUI crimes, in a sense victimless. and he was also a no 1 overall pick. baseball perhaps a bit unique as well bcuz the he was signed for nothing and sent to the minors so the investment (monetarily, roster wise) was as minimal as could be

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 07:47 (six months ago) link

the worst exception i can remember is pitcher josh lueke, whose rape conviction was ignored by multiple teams in multiple leagues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Lueke

the reaction to bauer suggests that things have improved in the last decade (although the fact that literally everyone who has met bauer thinks he’s an asshole is, i think, a real aggravating factor in his case)

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 July 2022 09:49 (six months ago) link

who was the last prominent nba player to face such serious charges? kobe?

micah, Thursday, 21 July 2022 10:56 (six months ago) link

abuse charges to be specific

micah, Thursday, 21 July 2022 10:57 (six months ago) link

Darren collision?

Spottie, Thursday, 21 July 2022 14:55 (six months ago) link

bet if he gets the charges reduced they let him back in

lag∞n, Thursday, 21 July 2022 15:02 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

man...

Ben Gordon was arrested on allegations he beat up two security guardsin Chicago, per TMZ

The arrest comes less than one month after Gordon was accused of punching his 10-year-old son in the head at an airport for dropping a book pic.twitter.com/TfqhFiRkxL

— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) November 6, 2022

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 7 November 2022 09:26 (two months ago) link

jesus

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 7 November 2022 12:29 (two months ago) link

btw this josh primo situation has me p disillusioned w the spurs right now, kinda taking a personal break/boycott until heads rolls

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 7 November 2022 12:30 (two months ago) link

i just kinda skimmed headlines on that one so far. have the spurs mishandled it?

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 7 November 2022 15:37 (two months ago) link

woman who primo exposed himself to is suing them saying she reported it and they did nothing

lag∞n, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:39 (two months ago) link

and spurs denied it quite forcefully but said they couldnt offer any evidence cause its a legal matter now

lag∞n, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:40 (two months ago) link

worth considering

League sources say there have been some "strong voices" urging Joe Tsai to back off the Nets' intent to hire suspended Celtics coach Ime Udoka as Steve Nash's successor given the considerable turmoil Brooklyn has already faced this season.

More to come: https://t.co/LGN9cVpMwn

— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) November 7, 2022

lag∞n, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:44 (two months ago) link

woman who primo exposed himself to is suing them saying she reported it and they did nothing

― lag∞n, Monday, November 7, 2022 8:39 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh yikes ok

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 7 November 2022 15:45 (two months ago) link

yeah not great, obvs the basic story as far as them ignoring it is not hard to believe, and then the fact that he was cut right before the lawsuit was filed makes it seem even more likely

lag∞n, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:49 (two months ago) link

i was listening to someone last week, i think it was zach lowe, who said that some other teams had done some due diligence on udoka and did not come away thinking he was hireable. that could be an attempt to mess with the nets but interesting nonetheless.

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:56 (two months ago) link

yeah saw some thing that said that people were surprised when the celtics hired him cause of his apparently well known within the league problem with fuckin at work

lag∞n, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:58 (two months ago) link

given how the spurs handled the primo situation, i wonder how much of that shit was happening while udoka was an assistant in sa

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 7 November 2022 23:39 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35281343/amare-stoudemire-charged-battery-allegedly-hitting-daughter

cw: domestic violence
Former 15-year NBA veteran Amar'e Stoudemire is facing a misdemeanor battery charge after he allegedly hit one of his teenage daughters in the face.

Miami-Dade County court records show that Stoudemire, 40, was arrested early Sunday and later released on $1,500 bond with a no-contact order issued.

According to a copy of the police report obtained by The Miami Herald, Stoudemire allegedly struck one of his two teenage daughters during an argument at his Miami home Saturday night. The report did not identify which of Stoudemire's two daughters, ages 17 and 14, was hit.

Stoudemire allegedly confronted the girl and accused her of being disrespectful to his mother during a phone call, according to the police report. When she denied it, he told her, "You're talking back again," and punched her in the jaw, leaving her bleeding, the report says.

The girl contacted her mother, Stoudemire's ex-wife, who came to the home, picked up the two girls and their two brothers, and contacted police.

The report says that when officers went to Stoudemire's home, he told them the teenage girl "was sad because she received a whooping from him for being disrespectful and a liar." He then invoked his right to remain silent.

Stoudemire denied the allegation against him in a statement posted on social media Sunday night.

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 19 December 2022 00:00 (one month ago) link

ok so i dont know how the hide text feature did that and i cant delete it despite ostensible mod privs

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 19 December 2022 00:01 (one month ago) link

i mean its in the dv thread

lag∞n, Monday, 19 December 2022 00:49 (one month ago) link

true, but still, principle of the thing etc

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 19 December 2022 00:53 (one month ago) link

lol when you click on the show hidden text button it just disappears

lag∞n, Monday, 19 December 2022 00:54 (one month ago) link

Spoiler tags only work on a single paragraph.

Rabbity Gainsborough (Leee), Monday, 19 December 2022 03:23 (one month ago) link

now they tell me

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 19 December 2022 03:29 (one month ago) link

ESPN Sources: The Charlotte Hornets and restricted free agent forward Miles Bridges are gathering traction in talks on a new deal and optimism exists that an agreement could come in the relative near future: https://t.co/JQoDc5HbYv

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) December 23, 2022

The sooner sides can reach a deal, the sooner Bridges can seemingly start serving an NBA suspension expected to be handed down for his role in an offseason domestic violence case. Bridges plead no contest to a felony charge in November.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) December 23, 2022

lag∞n, Friday, 23 December 2022 21:54 (one month ago) link

fuck

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Friday, 23 December 2022 23:40 (one month ago) link

woj got klutched?

Spoke to a league source who confirmed that the @Hornets are NOT engaged in contract talks with Miles Bridges, despite a December 23rd report to the contrary.

The belief is that those reports originated from Bridges' agency, @KlutchSports. @theobserver was first to report.

— Kyle Bailey (@KyleBaileyClub) January 3, 2023

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 23:48 (three weeks ago) link

weird

lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 00:04 (three weeks ago) link

yeah i don't really believe this counterreport

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 01:18 (three weeks ago) link

i’m sure that’s true but i bet it’s also true that the hornets are trying to cover their asses

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 January 2023 01:19 (three weeks ago) link

seems like a leak it and see what public perception is first type of thing

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 01:21 (three weeks ago) link

it got dropped on christmas eve right? lol.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 01:26 (three weeks ago) link


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