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this miles bridges case is the latest, but between kobe, derrick rose, jaxson hayes, the mavs front office, jason kidd getting to have job after job, and others, it really feels like the nba's modus operandi is to hide behind the "let the law handle this" and issue zero consequences to its employees. all the sports leagues are bad about this, but nba feels worse bc they hide behind a veil of progressivism with the wnba and elevate a few women in coaching and front offices.

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:00 (one year ago) link

Link to the post from miles victim, has pics and details so don’t click if you want to avoid

Spottie, Friday, 1 July 2022 05:55 (one year ago) link

Maybe that link didn’t work but you can find it on Her IG and Twitter. She also has video of their kid talking about and I’m sick. Hope he never plays another minute in the nba

Spottie, Friday, 1 July 2022 06:06 (one year ago) link

Good thread fuck that guy

Heez, Friday, 1 July 2022 11:11 (one year ago) link

i would really like to see the league take action on this but am not optimistic.

call all destroyer, Friday, 1 July 2022 13:02 (one year ago) link

i think the nba is going to have to address it in light of the photo evidence

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Friday, 1 July 2022 14:44 (one year ago) link

that would be contingent on adam silver actually doing something for the first time since he made sterling sell.

call all destroyer, Friday, 1 July 2022 14:48 (one year ago) link

yeah, and there will invariably be allegations of hypocricy bc jason kidd has never wanted for work in this league, kendrick nunn was still allowed to join with a team, jaxson hayes is still here after pleading no contest to false imprisonment, etc. but that just be more reason why the league needs clear consequences for abusers.

this makes me yearn for politically organized fan groups a la supporters groups in soccer. imagine the kind of pressure a team's fans could have if they boycotted the team en masse for signing abusers.

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Friday, 1 July 2022 15:11 (one year ago) link

baseball has taken a pretty strong stance recently on DV/abuse cases, they have the latitude to suspend players regardless of criminal findings. they have suspended players for 75-100 games, whole seasons recently. trevor bauer got 324 games even tho his accuser’s case got dismissed

the NFL will have a big one coming up with deshaun watson. the recent reporting is that he’ll get suspended for the whole season but i’m in “i’ll believe when i see it mode” on that one. they’ve issued a few long suspensions in high profile cases but those were really obvious ones. ezekiel elliot got 6 games a few years ago.

comparatively the NBA does seem to be lagging. the thing is that with baseball in particular the commissioner’s ability to issue suspensions or put players on leave is in the league CBA. i have no idea what silver is allowed to do per the CBA… maybe it’s something that will be addressed in the new CBA negotiations. it’s possible the union is as much or more of a hinderance than the league office/silver is

J0rdan S., Friday, 1 July 2022 17:27 (one year ago) link

it’s possible, but i have to think that silver could find some mechanism to do something if he wanted to. even if it’s in a cba gray area he could do it and dare the union to push back.

call all destroyer, Friday, 1 July 2022 17:38 (one year ago) link

The charges against Miles Bridges and how the NBA Domestic Violence policy workshttps://t.co/Cu1sAEh84U

— SB Nation NBA (@SBNationNBA) July 1, 2022

J0rdan S., Friday, 1 July 2022 18:09 (one year ago) link

i dont know how any self-respecting team could sign him. i hadnt read all the details, but it sounds like his wife is making a life-saving move bringing this abuse to light. i feel like the strongest message here is a lifetime ban from the nba.

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Friday, 1 July 2022 18:18 (one year ago) link

we can only hope. seriously seeing their kid talk about broke me.

Spottie, Friday, 1 July 2022 18:31 (one year ago) link

i dont know how any self-respecting team could sign him.

Thing is that teams are desperate to win and will overlook criminal behavior in pursuit of Ws.

Antifa Lockhart (Leee), Friday, 1 July 2022 18:37 (one year ago) link

see: browns, cleveland

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Friday, 1 July 2022 18:40 (one year ago) link

Sources expect Charlotte to pull the qualifying offer for Miles Bridges making him an unrestricted free agent after being charged for domestic violence by the LAPD.

— Emiliano Carchia (@Carchia) July 2, 2022

Antifa Lockhart (Leee), Saturday, 2 July 2022 16:41 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

has the nba done anything at this point? hornets didn't pull their qualifying offer so he'll still get paid this year.

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:32 (one year ago) link

i did not realize he was a klutch guy.

Spottie, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:54 (one year ago) link

just because hes still under contract now doesnt mean he will actually get paid

micah, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 21:15 (one year ago) link

Facing up to ~12 years if convicted of current charges.

Spottie, Thursday, 21 July 2022 00:54 (one year ago) link

since there aren’t any games i doubt the league is in a rush to do anything... feels like the ball is in the hornets court

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:13 (one year ago) link

And all they’ve done is release the same release twice with the usual “let it play out” stuff

Spottie, Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:20 (one year ago) link

i feel like as long as he’s facing multiple years in prison on credible charges there’s little chance of him being signed. really doubt a team that isn’t charlotte would go out of their way to get involved in this so i guess it comes down to whether the hornets sign him to the minimum amount they can just to retain his rights?

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:23 (one year ago) link

looks like the league has only ever handed down multi year bans for repeated failed drug tests. arenas was suspended for the remainder of the 2010 season over the gun stuff, of course there was artest. from what i can tell silver is working without precedent in a world that takes this stuff more seriously than ever (one hopes) … i feel like he’ll get a long suspension but something far short of being banned for life (not sure that would even hold up legally/CBA wise) and we’ll see if he gets effectively blackballed a la ray rice. i feel like the latter is prob the most likely outcome w/ the league making some implicit decree that he won’t ever play again

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:26 (one year ago) link

prob can’t rule out some team signing him to a one year deal in a few years & then cutting him two days later after public backlash. can’t trust these teams

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:27 (one year ago) link

this does seem to be trending toward his career being over one way or another

call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:31 (one year ago) link

There’s a chance it won’t matter cos he’ll be locked up no?

Spottie, Thursday, 21 July 2022 03:47 (one year ago) link

doubt he gets anything close to the max sentence

micah, Thursday, 21 July 2022 06:39 (one year ago) link

i think once you go to prison for any real length of time (like anything more than a few months) you’re pretty much done as a pro athlete, regardless of how young you are. the only example i can think of is michael vick but he was a no 1 overall pick phenom level player so i think he got an unusual amount of leeway. also his victims weren’t humans which prob made it easier for him to return. henry ruggs will likely serve a sentence that releases him in his athletic prime but i doubt he’ll ever play in the NFL again

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 07:40 (one year ago) link

actually matt bush who is a reliever for the rangers did 3 years in prison and was signed after his release and ended up making it to the majors a year later. but he was convicted on a series of DUI crimes, in a sense victimless. and he was also a no 1 overall pick. baseball perhaps a bit unique as well bcuz the he was signed for nothing and sent to the minors so the investment (monetarily, roster wise) was as minimal as could be

J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 July 2022 07:47 (one year ago) link

the worst exception i can remember is pitcher josh lueke, whose rape conviction was ignored by multiple teams in multiple leagues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Lueke

the reaction to bauer suggests that things have improved in the last decade (although the fact that literally everyone who has met bauer thinks he’s an asshole is, i think, a real aggravating factor in his case)

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 July 2022 09:49 (one year ago) link

who was the last prominent nba player to face such serious charges? kobe?

micah, Thursday, 21 July 2022 10:56 (one year ago) link

abuse charges to be specific

micah, Thursday, 21 July 2022 10:57 (one year ago) link

Darren collision?

Spottie, Thursday, 21 July 2022 14:55 (one year ago) link

bet if he gets the charges reduced they let him back in

lag∞n, Thursday, 21 July 2022 15:02 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

man...

Ben Gordon was arrested on allegations he beat up two security guardsin Chicago, per TMZ

The arrest comes less than one month after Gordon was accused of punching his 10-year-old son in the head at an airport for dropping a book pic.twitter.com/TfqhFiRkxL

— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) November 6, 2022

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 7 November 2022 09:26 (one year ago) link

jesus

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 7 November 2022 12:29 (one year ago) link

btw this josh primo situation has me p disillusioned w the spurs right now, kinda taking a personal break/boycott until heads rolls

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 7 November 2022 12:30 (one year ago) link

i just kinda skimmed headlines on that one so far. have the spurs mishandled it?

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 7 November 2022 15:37 (one year ago) link

woman who primo exposed himself to is suing them saying she reported it and they did nothing

lag∞n, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:39 (one year ago) link

and spurs denied it quite forcefully but said they couldnt offer any evidence cause its a legal matter now

lag∞n, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:40 (one year ago) link

worth considering

League sources say there have been some "strong voices" urging Joe Tsai to back off the Nets' intent to hire suspended Celtics coach Ime Udoka as Steve Nash's successor given the considerable turmoil Brooklyn has already faced this season.

More to come: https://t.co/LGN9cVpMwn

— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) November 7, 2022

lag∞n, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:44 (one year ago) link

woman who primo exposed himself to is suing them saying she reported it and they did nothing

― lag∞n, Monday, November 7, 2022 8:39 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh yikes ok

im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 7 November 2022 15:45 (one year ago) link

yeah not great, obvs the basic story as far as them ignoring it is not hard to believe, and then the fact that he was cut right before the lawsuit was filed makes it seem even more likely

lag∞n, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:49 (one year ago) link

i was listening to someone last week, i think it was zach lowe, who said that some other teams had done some due diligence on udoka and did not come away thinking he was hireable. that could be an attempt to mess with the nets but interesting nonetheless.

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:56 (one year ago) link

yeah saw some thing that said that people were surprised when the celtics hired him cause of his apparently well known within the league problem with fuckin at work

lag∞n, Monday, 7 November 2022 15:58 (one year ago) link

given how the spurs handled the primo situation, i wonder how much of that shit was happening while udoka was an assistant in sa

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 7 November 2022 23:39 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35281343/amare-stoudemire-charged-battery-allegedly-hitting-daughter

cw: domestic violence
Former 15-year NBA veteran Amar'e Stoudemire is facing a misdemeanor battery charge after he allegedly hit one of his teenage daughters in the face.

Miami-Dade County court records show that Stoudemire, 40, was arrested early Sunday and later released on $1,500 bond with a no-contact order issued.

According to a copy of the police report obtained by The Miami Herald, Stoudemire allegedly struck one of his two teenage daughters during an argument at his Miami home Saturday night. The report did not identify which of Stoudemire's two daughters, ages 17 and 14, was hit.

Stoudemire allegedly confronted the girl and accused her of being disrespectful to his mother during a phone call, according to the police report. When she denied it, he told her, "You're talking back again," and punched her in the jaw, leaving her bleeding, the report says.

The girl contacted her mother, Stoudemire's ex-wife, who came to the home, picked up the two girls and their two brothers, and contacted police.

The report says that when officers went to Stoudemire's home, he told them the teenage girl "was sad because she received a whooping from him for being disrespectful and a liar." He then invoked his right to remain silent.

Stoudemire denied the allegation against him in a statement posted on social media Sunday night.

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 19 December 2022 00:00 (one year ago) link

ok so i dont know how the hide text feature did that and i cant delete it despite ostensible mod privs

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 19 December 2022 00:01 (one year ago) link

also he could still get caught up case

lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 20:48 (eleven months ago) link

in the case

lag∞n, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 20:49 (eleven months ago) link

he should def be thanking his lucky stars twice per day that he didn't get charged w/ anything, but honestly imo murder charges based on being an accessory exist so that states can put as many black people in jail for life as humanly possible. like i don't think miles should get away scot free but charging him w/ murder bcuz his friend decided to shoot someone doesn't feel right either

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 16 May 2023 21:28 (eleven months ago) link

my feelings on this did change after reading that story a couple of months ago, but I also get the feeling that there is more to the story that has been shall we say not divulged to the public

k3vin k., Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:01 (eleven months ago) link

four weeks pass...

it's always bothered me that floyd mayweather is treated like royalty at NBA games & the same for this doofus despite several credible rape allegations... and now he's alleged to have raped someone in the heat's arena. really pitiful & sadly predictable stuff & everyone will pretend they had no role in this incident, which is completely backwards

TMZ reports that McGregor has been accused of raping a woman in men's bathroom shortly after Game 4 at Kaseya Center last Friday night. McGregor has denied allegation, per TMZ. https://t.co/oTpxNd1yiB

— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) June 15, 2023

J0rdan S., Thursday, 15 June 2023 19:56 (ten months ago) link

fuck this shithead

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Thursday, 15 June 2023 20:27 (ten months ago) link

and good point on mayweather, too, like the whole telecast practice of finding celebs in the crowd thing is whatever, but they dont actually need to bring him up at all!

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Thursday, 15 June 2023 20:45 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

Rose is even dumber than I thought he was

#Bulls Derrick Rose goes in detail about his rape allegations:

“She owed me $20k-$30k after the court case” pic.twitter.com/gWFGfrRpZE

— Die-Hard Chicago Bulls Fans (@DieHardCBfans) July 28, 2023

nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Sunday, 30 July 2023 00:50 (eight months ago) link

i cannot stand him and the little cult of inspiration bros around him

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Sunday, 30 July 2023 03:38 (eight months ago) link

oh god the Math Hoffa podcast

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 July 2023 01:28 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

he was already on that weird contract because he was a hothead. you have to assume they will release him…

J0rdan S., Monday, 11 September 2023 20:34 (seven months ago) link

likely

nobody respects the chair (Spottie), Monday, 11 September 2023 20:42 (seven months ago) link

What a piece of shit. Hopefully the fact that his victim used to be in the WNBA forces the league to finally start taking these things seriously but after the shameful way they handled the Bridges situation I'm not holding my breath.

Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Monday, 11 September 2023 20:52 (seven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

wtf at this primo shit

brimstead, Saturday, 30 September 2023 02:52 (six months ago) link

Did I read only 4 games?

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Saturday, 30 September 2023 02:53 (six months ago) link

i have no idea why this came out now, it does not seem like he's on track to play in the nba anytime soon

call all destroyer, Saturday, 30 September 2023 03:43 (six months ago) link

apparently hes singing a two way deal with the clippers

lag∞n, Saturday, 30 September 2023 03:45 (six months ago) link

ugh no thanks

call all destroyer, Saturday, 30 September 2023 03:49 (six months ago) link

i really wish they would write some 'lifetime ban' rules into the next cba, the fact that he and bridges are coming back is shameful

oatly carmichael (m bison), Saturday, 30 September 2023 03:55 (six months ago) link

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/arrest-warrant-issued-again-hornets-forward-miles-bridges/3OISIMWT3RCDVBPZGROEPRCTAM/

A criminal summons has also been issued for Bridges, which came out Wednesday. Once again, because it has not been served, it’s not public record, so we have not been able to get a copy of it.

The corresponding police report indicated that the victim’s windshield was smashed in and that her protective order was violated by Bridges’ appearance. The incident happened at her residence.

The victim in question is Bridges’ longtime girlfriend. The pair has several children and is in the middle of a custody battle.

oatly carmichael (m bison), Thursday, 12 October 2023 00:01 (six months ago) link

This guy needs to be out of the league.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 12 October 2023 00:57 (six months ago) link

throw the hornets out of the league while we're at it

Clay, Thursday, 12 October 2023 02:03 (six months ago) link

whadda guy

Manhattan prosecutors have dropped one of the assault charges against Houston Rockets guard Kevin Porter Jr., acknowledging Monday during Porter's hearing in Manhattan Criminal Court that he did not fracture his girlfriend's neck vertebra during an alleged attack at a New York City hotel last month.

According to the New York Post, Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Mirah Curzer cited "insufficient evidence" as the reason for dropping the charge of second-degree assault, telling Judge Jay Weiner on Monday, "What initially appeared to be a fractured vertebrae was not in fact an injury caused by the defendant."

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 October 2023 13:43 (five months ago) link

it was all just a misunderstanding

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 14:14 (five months ago) link

This trade does a version of the opposite. It commodifies domestic violence in the parlance of NBA contracts. Horrible behavior becomes salary cap maneuvering. Agreeing to pay the remainder of Porter’s contract is worth a vaguely intriguing prospect and two second-round picks. Porter might as well have torn his Achilles tendon for the purposes of this trade. Same upshot, more or less. Both teams took the reality of the situation and used it to pursue their basketball-specific goals. They lined up their assets and made what they thought was a mutually beneficial trade.

Again: morally repugnant. Houston was reportedly shopping Porter around the league, attaching picks to Porter to make a potential trade more appetizing to other teams. The likelihood is if the Thunder had not made the trade, another team would have stepped in to make a similar deal work. The Rockets were clear that Porter was not going to play for them again after the incident. Viewing this through a basketball-first lens, they salvaged the contract they gave Porter the best way they could.

Jane Eyre Jordan (Leee), Wednesday, 18 October 2023 20:03 (five months ago) link

glad someone wrote that

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 18 October 2023 22:37 (five months ago) link

The issue isn’t so much that the Rockets and the Thunder made the situation work for themselves, but that their ability to do so speeds up the process of forgetting what Porter is alleged to have done. A cynic would suggest that is part of the point in allowing this.

i agree very much with this point from that piece. but i think it leaves a big problem unmentioned (and apologies if i missed it in there)--that there is no realistic mechanism to keep porter from getting his guaranteed money.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 October 2023 00:28 (five months ago) link

good for Chuck:

Charles Barkley asks Adam Silver about the domestic violence issues within the NBA pic.twitter.com/dhU73K4MGO

— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) October 24, 2023

symsymsym, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 03:06 (five months ago) link

it’s amazing how bad adam silver is at this sometimes

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 14:38 (five months ago) link

three weeks pass...

just wow, what a quote

Miles Bridges believes that public perception of him will change if he helps the Hornets get back on track

“I know a lot of people feel some type of way about me being back and I understand that. It’ll be a while before I gain their trust back. So I’m just gonna go out there… pic.twitter.com/pjV0K0mWwj

— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) November 16, 2023

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Thursday, 16 November 2023 21:10 (five months ago) link

fuck this guy

micah, Friday, 17 November 2023 00:09 (four months ago) link

Somebody said this when talking about the Gobert fight but it really is what's on video and going viral vs what isn't for them (see this vs Ja)

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 November 2023 00:13 (four months ago) link

Jesus, this Josh Giddey shit (sleeping with a 15/16 year old) looks bad. Doubly fucked up that if it's true and she's 16 he won't face any legal consequences because of Oklahoma age of consent laws.

Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Thursday, 23 November 2023 21:28 (four months ago) link

are the “reports” of her age accurate?

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 23 November 2023 21:48 (four months ago) link

man what the fuck

oatly carmichael (m bison), Thursday, 23 November 2023 21:58 (four months ago) link

The NBA is looking into the allegations of Oklahoma City’s Josh Giddey having inappropriate relationship with a minor that have emerged via social media, league spokesman Mike Bass said.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 24, 2023

k3vin k., Friday, 24 November 2023 22:15 (four months ago) link

trying to wait til official word but all signs pointing to this being really bad

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 24 November 2023 22:16 (four months ago) link

yeah I mean I’m going to be looking for some more concrete info before making an opinion

k3vin k., Friday, 24 November 2023 23:24 (four months ago) link

From the Herald Sun:https://t.co/qhaGEkRoOy pic.twitter.com/OMnSzYFtNO

— Stephen Dolan (@SteveThunderfan) December 1, 2023

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 1 December 2023 22:59 (four months ago) link

that matches up to the rumblings I’d been hearing. if that’s the case I don’t see how this could proceed any further

truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Friday, 1 December 2023 23:09 (four months ago) link

Gloria Allred - so much for Giddey and the NBA wanting to keep this quiet

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39042578/gloria-allred-representing-family-involved-josh-giddey-case

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 4 December 2023 21:11 (four months ago) link

yea that's weird, def seemed like the family wanted this to go away, guess there's more to the story

frogbs, Monday, 4 December 2023 21:19 (four months ago) link

not really a story there

truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 00:27 (four months ago) link

(in that article that is)

truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 10:59 (four months ago) link

four months pass...

Out of the league now but big yikes

Ben McLemore was arrested Tuesday and booked into the Clackamas County Jail on accusations of first-degree rape and other sex crimes, per @KGWNews pic.twitter.com/e8OA2bhoXg

— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) April 10, 2024

I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Thursday, 11 April 2024 06:33 (five days ago) link

jesus christ

polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Thursday, 11 April 2024 11:08 (five days ago) link

also, not sure where else to put this but the suns most famous superfan mr orng was arrested for child sex crimes
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/peoria-breaking/2024/04/10/patrick-battillo-phoenix-suns-superfan-mr-orng-accused-child-sex-trafficking/73278042007/
another teacher helped him out. disgusting.

I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Thursday, 11 April 2024 16:31 (five days ago) link


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