2022 NBA OFF SEASON DRAFT FREE AGENCY TAMPERING ETC

emoni bates is playing for memphis this year but wont be old enough for next years draft, do not recall seeing that before

seems like there's no consensus on the no 1 pick which is pretty interesting, paolo banchero seems like leader in the clubhouse as of now but i see various boards that have other guys at no. 1. he just had prob his best game of the season vs FSU tho, putting up 20-12-7 on 6-11 shooting and making tons of plays down the stretch, nice touch on his passes. i wonder how he'll test athletically, you don't necessarily see overwhelming athleticism in these clips, but he's skilled, poised, and very strong, some real men amongst boys plays. i don't have a great feel for what position ppl think he will play defensively, he's either a positionless fever dream or an exploitable tweener, i can't really tell. if he could passably play center he could be a monster but idk if that's in his future. he's a 34% shooter from deep and shoots 76% from the line, w/ his size the tools are there for a really great offensive player, consistent double-doubles w/ potential for some 20-10-5 type of seasons. feel like ben simmons is a decent comp and what you're giving up in athleticism w/ banchero you gain in overall offensive skill, especially in terms of scoring, as well as just overall oomph on the game. some good clips of his passing in the NC state game from last week, he has a calmness about him in the way that he reads the floor that feels very functional, not preternatural necessarily but if his court vision continues to grow along w/ the rest of his game he will likely be very hard to defend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygtHdAPNNo8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ncXSRvEM3M

everyone seems to have holmgren banchero and jabari smith in some order as the top three, i think i still like holmgren just cause he has that combo of freakish body and great feel for the game that nba stars are made of, smith is your prototypical super athletic very big wing i can def see why teams would be very stoked on him, banchero has the most developed game but maybe lacks some of the elite athleticism length and so forth that could make him an absolute top guy idk

jabari is my #1 bc of the Big Wing thing, thats the most important position in hoops rn, chet worries me bc he just looks like a guy who will miss a lot of time, prove me wrong chet

if the spurs dont launch into the lottery, i like keegan murray from iowa lot. he's older (21 i think) but he's got a pretty nba-ready game from the looks of things

but who am i kidding the spurs are gonna draft another 6'5" combo guard

those top 3 guys all seem to have distinct strengths and weaknesses, no clear front-runner so far. will be interesting to see how it plays out based on their college seasons.

I think Jabari is overrated right now and people are overthinking the chet thing. Players don’t get injured because they’re skinny.

I worry Banchero will turn out to be Michael Beasley

I think Jabari is overrated right now and people are overthinking the chet thing. Players don’t get injured because they’re skinny.

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, January 21, 2022 10:14 AM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

um yes they do!!!!!

penny, shaun livingston, kd, shawn bradley, manute bol, bol bol, pls dont think this is just me spreading more pro-fat propaganda

you know who doesnt miss many games OR meals

jokic

I worry Banchero will turn out to be Michael Beasley

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, January 21, 2022 11:16 AM (one hour ago)

yeah i can see that. marvin bagley & jahlil okafor two other duke guys w/o great athleticism who just dominated w/ size in college and then flamed out. beasley only averaged 1.6 apg in college tho, paolo is at double that, and he's bigger. also michael beasley who has his head screwed on straight & plays the game less selfishly could've been a good player albeit not a multi time all star or anything

i think i would prob pick chet no 1, in the event that you get any of the evan mobley skill set it will prob be worth it

the other thought i had when watching banchero was "what if obi toppin was good and didn't move like an abe lincoln impersonator on stilts"

lmao

jabari smith def seems like a top 3 pick to me, top 5 at absolute worst. if there's any jayson tatum out of the top group it would be him. his spot up shot is a bit slow to me, and the way the ball comes off his hand when he shoots FTs seems a bit weird. he does have a nice fadeaway midrange game tho, and his hands are very active on defense. 7' 2" wingspan. he's another one where i wonder how he tests athletically, you don't see him just killing guys at the rim in his clips... paging jayson tatum. he also only has a season high of four assists this year. i think he's prob below chet and banchero for me

clip of him putting up 25-7-1 w/ 4 blocks and 2 steals on the road vs alabama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBUYA1BxaME

chet's shot is so smooth. w/ his defensive potential i feel like he has to go number 1, at worst i feel like you're getting a porzingis type player w/ a better shot and a body potentially less conducive to leg injuries. at best you're potentially getting like karl towns crossed w/ evan mobley. in between maybe he's chris bosh w/ more rim protection. idk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4ZpisXk6R8

yeah i like chet too, with his freakish arms crazy feel for the game and having all the offensive skills he should go 1 imho, you're potentially getting like karl towns crossed w/ evan mobley exactly he pretty clearly has the highest ceiling of the top guys, the reason hes not the consensus #1 right now is prob because hes not really featured on his team cause he plays next to an older player of the year candidate and that evaluators tend to underrate feel for the game being a true baller and so forth due to it being highly intangible

chets got the juice, the it factor

if jabari smith had an off the bounce game i could see the argument... but he doesnt

feel like chet will be one of those guys who have their aggressiveness questioned leading up to the draft drop a couple few spots then just come in and start doing insane things from day one in the nba

i feel like evan mobley is pretty strong proof of concept for chet, almost feels like it's lining up for it to be the perfect year to take a guy like this no 1 overall. chet maybe not as great defensively i mean mobley seems like a phenom but chet is far more developed as a shooter. w/ his shooting form/touch and natural shot blocking ability i just feel like he's the kind of high floor/high ceiling prospect you should be aiming for w/ a no 1 pick. i'm trying to imagine the worst case outcome for him if he has even average health for a big man. myles turner? jarren jackson jr? his overall feel just seems far superior to those guys and he's taller and he's a better shooter etc

and chet might even be mobley on D, i mean hes a defensive star

People are overthinking this, Chet is clearly the guy. Jabari has a really raw game that requires a lot of projection to see in the nba, Chet can shoot and handle.

tbf jabari can shoot good but yeah hes pretty raw

i hope yall are right abt slenderman

CHET HOLMGREN WITH 11 POINTS IN UNDER TWO MINUTES 🤯 pic.twitter.com/YBeBtOP71q

— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) February 4, 2022

his last 4 games

23-12 4 blocks on 9-12 shooting, 3-5 from three
12-11 on 4-6 shooting, 4-6 from three
21-9 3 blocks on 7-8 shooting, 3-3 from three
22-9 4 blocks on 7-10 shooting, 2-4 from three

shooting 63/46/74 on the season

ok so MAYBE with modern medicine factored in he shd be #1

lol

chet looks like a phenom

Another day at the office for projected top pick Chet Holmgren: 21 PTS (12 FGAs), 15 REBS, 6 BLK, 3 STL in a win over USF. No other player in the draft who can do the things he can on both ends. Going to make a lot of his naysayers look silly. No. 1 prospect in this 2022 class. pic.twitter.com/BvnV51J04S

— Mike Schmitz (@Mike_Schmitz) February 25, 2022

dare i say kevin durant but an even better defender vibes??

Chet Holmgren tonight:

- 21 points
- 15 rebounds
- 6 blocks
- 3 steals
- 2 3-pointers

It’s the 2nd time this season he’s had at least 20 points, 15 boards, 5 blocks and 2 3-pointers in a game.

No other Division I player over the last decade has done that twice.

— Jared Berson (@JaredBerson) February 25, 2022

Chet Holmgren of @ZagMBB has played 5 true road games in his career. He is averaging 18.6 points, 14.6 rebounds and 4.2 blocks in those games.

He's the only Division I player in the last 25 years to average 18/14/4 over any span of 5 road games (let alone his first 5).

— Stats By STATS (@StatsBySTATS) February 25, 2022

it was a weird time because of COVID and I wasn't doing much but I'll never stop kicking myself for not going to see him play in high school, his HS was walking distance from my house

this guy has very long arms

Best Euroleague game of the season for 17-year old Victor Wembanyama with 14 points, 5 rebounds, 5 blocks, 2 assists, 2 steals and a road win. The 7-3, projected No. 1 pick in 2023 showed his fantastic mobility, length, skill and feel for the game against high-level competition. pic.twitter.com/VSWdaV0AMq

— Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) March 23, 2022

dont think ive seen someone that tall get down in a stance like that

feel like he has some "deer running on ice" vibes too him but he looks like he's gonna be a complete monster on defense

draft xpress/espn guy called him the best prospect hes ever seen

i feel like chet is more coordinated and has a better shot but i can see why someone would look at him and think he's an ultimate freak of nature

i just watched a video of him and chet playing against each other and those are some crazy looking guys

At 17 he's not yet accustomed to operating a body with such long arms and legs, let alone perfecting his footwork and his moves. He looks very promising, though. Good timing and vision.

chet is crazy skilled but he still has some of that big man stiffness the wembanyamas flexibility is pretty wild, and filling up the box score of a euro league game at 17 is rare, its even more impressive when you consider that with huge guys it usually takes longer to develop

more of that game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7RTU8FtrM0

wembanyama is going to be a lot of fun to watch, sky-high potential

only thing that worries me, knowing nothing, is hes too tall

but maybe he can overcome by having the pliancy of a 6-10 guy

pray 4 kd

Kyrie Irving said the plan is to re-sign with the Nets this summer. Doesn’t want to leave Kevin Durant and wants to build a legacy in Brooklyn with him.

— Alex Schiffer (@Alex__Schiffer) March 26, 2022

a legacy of alienating everyone off the team

The Kings will miss the playoffs for the 16th consecutive season, a new NBA record.

Kings fans deserve better. pic.twitter.com/Yf3MKtAWFQ

— StatMuse (@statmuse) April 4, 2022

i dont follow the other sports enough to really know what is most complicated but it does seem like the nba is

seems like a pretty good risk at 7 to me

I don't disagree. The most heartening thing I've read about Sharpe so far is that Dame watched all the guys who worked out for the Blazers and he was enthused about picking him. I presume the private work-out and personal interviews for the team contained a lot more info about him, his abilities and his mindset than anyone in the media has access to. All the media types can analyze is what's out in public.

the nfl has some weird stuff with all of the contract restructuring you can do to move money around, but the nba is probably still much more complex than that.

always assumed it's a little more loosey goosey in the other leagues bc the rosters are so much larger so there needs to be wiggle room for the 40 guys on the team nobody knows about

in baseball you can’t even trade normal draft picks (‘competitive balance’ picks are an exception)

thats crazy trading draft picks is so sweet the fans go wild for it

nba is definitely overly complex with the roster rules, a bunch of it is old rules that had a purpose at one point but might no longer that have ossified and accumulated

baseball draft is way more of a crapshoot than nba anyway 1st round picks wouldnt be worth as much there

The situation between the Nets and Kyrie Irving is getting acrimonious, per @wojespn on NBA Today.

— Evan Sidery (@esidery) June 24, 2022

that’s a shame

sending light and love

wild

Pistons have presented Jaden Ivey with jerseys of his grandfather, father and mother, all of whom have played in Detroit professionally.

Ivey is tearing up

— James Edwards III (@JLEdwardsIII) June 24, 2022

i don't think the NBA is any more or less complex than other leagues when it comes to roster rules -- the rules about service time and minor league options and trigger deadlines in MLB are far more complex than the two way system in the NBA -- but putting protections on picks is unique to the NBA. part of that is because the other sports don't have lotteries so you're dealing w/ an extra level of uncertainty w/ future NBA picks, but i think it also is done to purposefully facilitate transactions which is overall a net positive for the league even if it becomes overly complex a lot of the time. in baseball you have prospects driving most transactions but the NBA doesn't have that element, instead picks are the currency and allowing teams to protect picks obviously makes them feel more comfortable about trading (and also receiving) picks

the crazy thing about the NBA to me is that teams are seemingly allowed -- if they can -- to invent new ways to structure contracts and protect picks... like the rules are not already set out. it's kind of a wild west where if you and the other team agree on a way to protect the pick then the league will agree to it. thinking of i.e. daryl morey inventing the reverse protection in trading kyle lowry to the raptors. also daryl inventing the poison pill w/ the jeremy lin offer sheet

I read that Kyrie has a list of teams to which he will accept a sign and trade, a list that includes the Sixers and I'm just trying to imagine the look on Harden's face if that somehow happened.

the list of teams that want to trade for him got to be a lot shorter

who is going to put up with kyrie at this point that is also not a desperate loser of a franchise

its only the lakers

NHL does have a lottery and picks can be traded, but the market isn't as hectic as the NBA. clearly it needs a daryl morey

(when its cap first came in there was a spate of like 12-year hugely front-loaded contracts -- because the cap hit was salary average per year -- but the league soon closed that loophole)

oh boy haha

Creep by Radiohead but it’s about being drafted by the Sacramento Kings

a new ICE2ICE single from me and @jga41agher pic.twitter.com/xUkekHi1mt

— Isaac K. Lee (@IsaacKLee) June 24, 2022

lol ok

Steve Clifford reportedly will return to coach Charlotte Hornets https://t.co/Hg9SltX5ij

— Kurt Helin (@basketballtalk) June 24, 2022

What on earth

hornets quickly becoming the most indecipherable team

― ciderpress, Thursday, June 23, 2022 9:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

How could they not find somebody new lmao what a mess

not sure about this guy michael jordan

dont know much about him will research

they should hire a guy named Will Research

Russ broke the cardinal sin and acknowledged skip

Yoooo… watch your mouth. Don’t say anything here you wouldn’t say to my face. https://t.co/0u8nFXYLY8

— Russell Westbrook (@russwest44) June 25, 2022

honestly, westbrook fighting skip in person is just what this league needs

just finding out the thunder took guys named jaylen williams and jaylin williams

also reflecting upon the fact that the knicks traded a first and four seconds to get rid of kembas $9m expiring contract??

look at this trade it does even have a knicks receive section

Charlotte receives:

• 2023 first-round pick (from Denver via Oklahoma City and New York)
• 2023 second-round pick (via New York)
• 2023 second-round pick (via Utah)
• 2023 second-round pick (most favorable of Dallas/Miami)
• 2024 second-round pick (via New York)

Detroit receives:

• 2022 draft rights to Jalen Duren (via Charlotte)
• Kemba Walker (via New York)

isnt one second round pick more like the usual price to dispose of a expiring mid level contract

That doesn't list the other two firsts NYK received iiuc.

right it shouldnt have the jalen duran part in there basically just in terms of the knicks they traded the 11th pick for three conditional firsts lets call that one trade, then they traded one of those firsts kemba walker and four seconds for nothing?

nm im confused heres the whole sick story

Knicks-Thunder trade
Knicks receive:

2023 first round pick via Detroit (protected 1-18 until 2024, protected 1-13 in 2025, protected 1-11 in 2026, protected 1-9 in 2027)
2023 first round pick via Washington (protected 1-14 in 2023, protected 1-12 in 2024, protected 1-10 in 2025, protected 1-8 in 2026)
2023 first round pick via Denver (protected 1-14 until 2025)
Thunder receive:

No. 11 pick (Ousmane Dieng)
The Knicks had the No. 11 pick entering the night, and there was a lot of talk about them potentially moving up. Instead, they decided to trade out of the first round by sending that pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder in exchange for three future first rounders. While the Knicks do need help now, getting three first round picks in exchange for one is pretty good value.

Knicks-Hornets trade
Knicks receive:

No. 13 pick (Jalen Duren)
Hornets receive:

2023 first round pick via Denver (protected 1-14 until 2025)
2023 second round pick via New York
2023 second round pick via Utah
2023 second round pick (most favorable pick between Dallas and Miami)
2024 second round pick via New York
Shortly after completing the deal with the Thunder, the Knicks then got back on the phone and worked out a trade with the Charlotte Hornets. They took the 2023 first via Denver they got in the Thunder trade, and packaged it with four future seconds for the No. 13 overall pick, who would become Jalen Duren.

Knicks-Pistons trade
Knicks receive:

2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
Pistons receive:

No. 13 pick (Jalen Duren)
Kemba Walker
Finally, the Knicks then flipped the No. 13 pick (Jalen Duren) and Kemba Walker to the Detroit Pistons in a third deal. In return, the Knicks got a 2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee, which the Pistons had previously acquired in the Jerami Grant trade earlier this week.

they really just moved the 13th pick in exchange for the bucks 2025 pick and getting off kembas deal, which also seems pretty bad but not as bad as a first and four seconds

although i guess ultimately they did trade a bad first and four seconds to get off kembas deal but also got back a bad first, so basically four seconds to get off kembas deal

glad we had an opportunity to delineate this

wow, it is nba trades and players

I'm not really defending the Knicks' move, but trading a late lottery pick for multiple potential late lottery picks isn't the dumbest thing ever. I would be more worried about what they are going do with that Kemba cap space.

all the picks they got were heavily protected i think

it would’ve been cool to just get jalen duren, maybe let the injury prone mitch rob go, and let kemba’s deal expire after this year.

but i am not the gm

ppl are saying the knicks basically got the worst picks that OKC owned… plus they got the bucks first which is prob also not great. i would say in their defense that even not great first round picks give you flexibility in trades, ppl will take them on it’s not like they are worthless. and if the knicks use those in trades i could def see them improving their team more than if they would’ve just taken a guy at 11 which is prob like a 50/50 chance of getting a guy who can even hang in the NBA. if all they do with all this ammo is dump salary to give jalen brunson $130 million then never mind but it is feasible they make some moves that amount to more value than a low lottery rookie

11th pick has to be better than that. looking at the 10 11th picks from the 2010s, 8 or 9 made it as rotation players and 3 are all-star level players

my thought when they were acquiring all these picks was that it was gonna be ammo for a kyrie trade lol, which should show you how far into the black pit of negative expectations i have fallen

i always get nervous when teams are like “all the guys we liked were gone at 11.” really? all of them?

its true, every draft there are only 10 good guys and they are always taken in the first 10 picks

yeah teams should just accept that the draft is kind of a crapshoot and take a guy even if hes not their guy

but still lets be honest 4 seconds to move kembas small expiring contract is the craziest knicks move of the night