2020 NBA Bubble Ball Finals: Lakers vs Heat - Who You Got?

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
Lakers in 6 8
Lakers in 5 6
Heat in 6 5
Heat in 7 3
Little Kid Voice: "Lebron James" 2
Lakers in 4 2
Lakers in 7 1
Heat in 4 1
Heat in 5 0
Playoffs Suspended Due to Things of That Nature 0


Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 16:59 (three weeks ago) link

Do you guys pay attention to, or take seriously, 538's basketball projections? They have Miami as a 73% favourite, which seems crazy to me, but they did pick the Raptors early in their playoff run last year, and stuck with them the whole way.

clemenza, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 17:16 (three weeks ago) link

they had the celtics at 60% to win it all when there were still 5 teams left lol

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 17:24 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, they were all over the Celtics--they seem convinced the East is going to win.

clemenza, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 19:13 (three weeks ago) link

me: "Lebron James"

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 19:15 (three weeks ago) link

but my heart says: "Beat LA!"

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 19:51 (three weeks ago) link

rooting heat, think lakers in 5 prob idk

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 22:30 (three weeks ago) link

I'm thinking Lakers in 6 but possibly just lebron james, he's playing pretty inspired ball right now
still don't really enjoy the bullyball/instafoul nature of his game but damned if you don't have to respect it

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 01:06 (three weeks ago) link

Seems weird to me for the Lakers to be here, I don't see any reason they wouldn't be the favorites though.

Not sure how much joy I'd get personally out of these Lakers winning the chip but hate them or not it was a traumatic start to the year for a lot of Laker fans, so good for them if they get this.

I'd like to see a long series lakers in 6

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 18:13 (three weeks ago) link

Lakes in 5, my guess

Nhex, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 19:25 (three weeks ago) link

LBJ with nothing but a team of misfits and mediocrities in Cleveland snatched a ring away from a great GSW team, so LBJ plus Ant Davis with a team full of misfits and mediocrities should def be considered the favorites.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 19:54 (three weeks ago) link

i have no real prediction cos the bubble is a strange place but im saying heat in 6 for the helluvit

Spottie, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 20:48 (three weeks ago) link

"lakers in 6" is trending

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 22:51 (three weeks ago) link

its the safe easy bet

Spottie, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 23:00 (three weeks ago) link

i have no read on this other than i've been wrong about everything involving the entire bubble so my pick is the lakers in somewhere between 4 and 7 games (inclusive)

Clay, Thursday, 1 October 2020 00:11 (three weeks ago) link

i think the miami el heat will win

ciderpress, Thursday, 1 October 2020 00:16 (three weeks ago) link

lakers in 7 but i wouldn't be shocked by the heat in 6 or 7

call all destroyer, Thursday, 1 October 2020 00:19 (three weeks ago) link

The Heat have a chance for sure.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 1 October 2020 00:27 (three weeks ago) link

Lakers winning would be extremely depressing

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 1 October 2020 00:29 (three weeks ago) link

Honestly after game 4 of the last series I don’t trust any team to beat the lakers ever

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 1 October 2020 00:30 (three weeks ago) link

the refs will decide who wins

ciderpress, Thursday, 1 October 2020 00:30 (three weeks ago) link

Ugh

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 October 2020 00:42 (three weeks ago) link

bron and brow must be rebuked for uniting upon the lake with no lake

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 October 2020 01:21 (three weeks ago) link

"frank vogel needs a timeout"

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 October 2020 01:24 (three weeks ago) link

kentavious avignon-pope

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 October 2020 01:33 (three weeks ago) link

man that extremely giant finals/youtube ad on center court is very bad

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 October 2020 01:35 (three weeks ago) link

AD gonna feast this series

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 October 2020 01:39 (three weeks ago) link

i picked lakers in 6

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Thursday, 1 October 2020 01:43 (three weeks ago) link

i cant remember what i picked

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 October 2020 01:44 (three weeks ago) link

You let the Lakers knock down open threes this will be over in four

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:02 (three weeks ago) link

yeah theyre getting some very easy looks

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:03 (three weeks ago) link

the heat look small out there

call all destroyer, Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:11 (three weeks ago) link

did someone grease up the basketball haha

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:12 (three weeks ago) link

so far doesnt seem good for the heat

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:15 (three weeks ago) link

i think the lakers will win

ciderpress, Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:23 (three weeks ago) link

yes my earlier prediction is looking spot on

Clay, Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:30 (three weeks ago) link

heat too small, do not have enough lebron jameses

Clay, Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:31 (three weeks ago) link

lebron jameses are not evenly distributed across the league

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:32 (three weeks ago) link

i think it's a fact to which the league must wake up

Clay, Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:35 (three weeks ago) link

will the heat dare to introduce meyers leonard to the game?

sknybrg, Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:38 (three weeks ago) link

AD might have no ability to lead a team to this stage on his own without superstar help... but I don't think anyone in the league is more unstoppable or impactful on both ends once they're there than he is. Like Bam was looking like one of if not the best overall player in these Eastern conference playoffs... and AD has effortlessly dominated him while completely locking up half his team on defense.

Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:59 (three weeks ago) link

lost the game, potentially lost Goran, and you're now a meme:

pic.twitter.com/xREKQ307EH

— rebekah entralgo fernández (@rebekahentralgo) October 1, 2020

frogbs, Thursday, 1 October 2020 03:22 (three weeks ago) link

it will really suck if this turns out to be a noncompetitive finals

call all destroyer, Thursday, 1 October 2020 03:24 (three weeks ago) link

Goran thing totally sucks. Bubble playoffs started off so well...

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 1 October 2020 03:28 (three weeks ago) link

yikes, this may be a sweep if goran is done

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 1 October 2020 03:54 (three weeks ago) link

it will really suck if this turns out to be a noncompetitive finals

The fact of a first game blowout isn't all that indicative usually. Teams bounce back as a rule. What's much more troubling is the probable loss of Dragic and having Butler hobbled by an ankle injury. At the competitive level of an NBA Finals your starting five can't be half-crippled, especially your one and two options on offense..

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 1 October 2020 04:29 (three weeks ago) link

torn plantar fascia for goran? :(

Clay, Thursday, 1 October 2020 04:42 (three weeks ago) link

bam was hurt, too. legit sucks for the heat.

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Thursday, 1 October 2020 04:49 (three weeks ago) link

Yikes these injuries...

Jimmy’s ankle turned and touched the ground no idea how he continued to play.

Spottie, Thursday, 1 October 2020 06:09 (three weeks ago) link

welp

The Heat say Goran Dragic (left foot) and Bam Adebayo (MRI revealed a neck strain) are doubtful for Friday's Game 2 of the NBA Finals

— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) October 1, 2020

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 October 2020 18:13 (three weeks ago) link

Only asterik that is any valuable in sports is pre-1947 baseball.

Everyone else earned their freaking championship.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 00:16 (one week ago) link

Only asterik that is any valuable in sports is pre-1947 baseball.

i gather you're a barry bonds fan

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 00:55 (one week ago) link

god what an embarrassing roster lol

― k3vin k., Monday, October 12, 2020 12:18 PM (yesterday)

i assume this is about the Lakers.

i thought this, too, when they restarted. nothing but pure garbage after LeBron and AD.

but i feel like i have to eat those thoughts, man.

not every rotation guy played well every night, but one or two of them stepped up most nights, and it was not only enough, it was plenty. KCP, Rondo and Caruso looked mostly good. Morris and Kuzma had moments. Danny Green was there.

they weren't asked to do much - play hard, fly around on D and chuck up open 3s - but they did it well.

i feel like Pelinka got it right, and i definitely did not think that six weeks ago. no surprise, since he is a top executive at the Los Angeles Lakers and i am not.

alpine static, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:09 (one week ago) link

Rondo played like...weirdly well, one of the strangest parts of the bubble

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:13 (one week ago) link

xpost I mean, with the exception of KCP and the young 'uns (who do not exactly impress), the whole roster after AD and Bron is basically ring chasers. So I would call it embarrassing in the sense that it doesn't have much obvious cohesion or an attractive on-court identity. But yeah, guys like Rondo and Dwight rose to the occasion and played well enough to deserve the ring.

Personally, the experience of watching teams jell (or not) over a period of a few seasons and develop those cohesive identities is one of the most satisfying and entertaining aspects of following sports. As great as it is to have "competitive balance" I'll take dynasties any day if it means we get those long arc storylines. It remains to be seen if the Lakers turn into one of those but it kind of feels like, in as far as Lebron is actually able to continue playing at this level for multiple more years, they'll just keep restocking with interchangeable supporting casts. Maybe one or two guys per year will stick and they'll start to look more like a team, I dunno. It would help if KCP had more of a discernible personality or if Kuzma were a little more likeable (or had actually had a good year).

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:21 (one week ago) link

It's been said before and may be said again... playoff Rondo is a real thing.
not sure what that says about him that he goes whole seasons and stints with teams without showing that side of himself

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:22 (one week ago) link

he's also 34, one of those guys i always think should be older than what he is, just because he won a championship when he was 22 i guess

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:26 (one week ago) link

i don't think 'vet who only gives 100% on a 1 seed team' is an archetype deserving of celebration

ciderpress, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:27 (one week ago) link

these guys basically exist to get the lakers more rings

ciderpress, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:27 (one week ago) link

It's been said before and may be said again... playoff Rondo is a real thing.
not sure what that says about him that he goes whole seasons and stints with teams without showing that side of himself

― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, October 13, 2020 1:22 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i'm pretty sure it says that he's completely bored by regular season basketball

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:28 (one week ago) link

I mean tbf it can't compare to the levels of strategy needed to play Connect 4

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 17:35 (one week ago) link

i'm pretty sure it says that he's completely bored by regular season basketball

maybe he should only be paid to play in playoff games instead of drawing paychecks for 82 games of meh and then waking up in April to see if his team ended up in the lottery because they were carrying his dead carcass

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 18:28 (one week ago) link

hes basically derek fisher

Spottie, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 18:39 (one week ago) link

ok that's just disrespectful

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 18:40 (one week ago) link

i don't think 'vet who only gives 100% on a 1 seed team' is an archetype deserving of celebration

― ciderpress, Tuesday, October 13, 2020 1:27 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

tbf hes been good in the playoffs on lesser teams too

lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 18:54 (one week ago) link

yeah i was exaggerating but it does contribute to lack of parity on some level when teams trying to get over the playoff hump can't rely on these guys to show up and need to look elsewhere

ciderpress, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 19:24 (one week ago) link

derek fisher has way more rings than rondo ;)

Clay, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 19:34 (one week ago) link

So I would call it embarrassing in the sense that it doesn't have much obvious cohesion or an attractive on-court identity

yeah this is what I meant, just a totally soulless, joyless team

k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 October 2020 19:39 (one week ago) link

otm

Spottie, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 19:43 (one week ago) link

i def feel like this lakers team would get its ass kicked in a 7 game series by either of the three previous lebron title teams

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 October 2020 20:17 (one week ago) link

I don't know... Anthony Davis is good as hell.

Like, if Lebron is covering Lebron, who's got Tony?

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 20:29 (one week ago) link

I guess Bosh would be pretty nice but I don't know about that Cavs team

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 20:32 (one week ago) link

LeBron would refuse to guard LeBron

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 20:51 (one week ago) link

these guys basically exist to get the lakers more rings

― ciderpress, Tuesday, October 13, 2020 10:27 AM (three hours ago)

Is this supposed to be a criticism?

alpine static, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 21:00 (one week ago) link

no, just an observation of the lakers/lebron vet vacuums combining

ciderpress, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 21:33 (one week ago) link

i do think the east has 4 teams that could take this team down next year with some modest offseason moves, not sure about the west or whats going on with the clipper ships

ciderpress, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 21:37 (one week ago) link

pic.twitter.com/r9uXcOXcmj

— pickuphoop (@pickuphoop) October 12, 2020

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 22:09 (one week ago) link

those heat teams would destroy this lakers team... better/younger lebron, bosh in his prime is a good match up on AD, wade, much better role players.

after the first two games davis’ contribution was mostly on defense, he didn’t have a dominant offensive series. the idea that you need 1 player to guard him or you will lose isn’t really borne out by this series to say nothing of the rest of his career. and even with AD on the floor, the heat had a stretch of games putting up offensive ratings thar would’ve rated above the no 1 offense in the league. both those heat and cavs teams had floor stretching bigs the lack of which hurt the heat once the lakers realized they could just leave davis in the paint all game (in game 3 they put him on olynyk and the heat shredded them). lebron and AD are a great pair of players, the current league could not overcome
that, but bron’s previous title teams had legit big 3s and better role players, particularly shooters, than this lakers team.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 October 2020 22:43 (one week ago) link

i think olynk should have played in game 6. and herro should have played even more, when the lakers were packing the paint the heat needed a second ball handler when jimmys drive and kick game got shut down

iirc the heats roster for the 13/14 season was pretty av

micah, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 00:27 (one week ago) link

i def feel like this lakers team would get its ass kicked in a 7 game series by either of the three previous lebron title teams


This is true, especially since the other Lebron team would also get a ton of calls

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 02:30 (one week ago) link

herro had an awful series sadly... agree w/ you about olynyk. spo prob went w/ too much of bam -- i understand why but he played like butt for most of the series and no olynyk out there allowed davis to sit in the paint for 40 mins per game

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 October 2020 02:38 (one week ago) link

I had a challopeno popper about Duncan Robinson being a better long term piece than Herro, I might dust that off next year

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 02:42 (one week ago) link

i mean really there were no adjustments in game 6 that would have covered for butler and the heat expending absolutely everything they had to win game 5.

it's funny to talk about herro as if there is any sort of established baseline for him...he's really young and has had a lot of peaks and valleys in performance already. i don't think we have any idea what he is beyond an intriguing talent who has had a few flashes.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 02:53 (one week ago) link

well duncan robinson is 26 and herro is 20

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 October 2020 03:03 (one week ago) link

when you talk about huge beneficiaries of the bubble, robinson and herro go to the top of the list for me as rookies who got to play four playoff series w/o having to ever handle the ball or shoot in front of a road playoff crowd.

that having been said i thought both played above expectations... robinson held up far better than most ppl thought and was basically the second best player for them in the finals which is pretty crazy and explains why they lost but he also had a few huge games and wasn't overwhelmed physically in a series w/ a bunch of grown ass dudes, which was my major concern. herro was a borderline revelation, the stuff he was doing as a ball handler, finishing at the rim, passing out of the pick and roll... we did not see any of that in the regular season. he was having big problems finishing over anyone and then in the bubble was like dropping and 1 mixtape lay ups on anthony davis and jayson tatum. to me the question is how much further he can push it, dan le batard said on zach lowe's pod a little bit ago that the heat think he can be better than devin booker. personally i see him as more of a supercharged lou williams type, a second unit monster who can singlehandedly win games but w/ the added benefit of having a modern killer three point/step back arsenal in his game. there's a pretty decent gap between sixth man of the year and devin booker so we'll see which end he lands closer to

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 October 2020 03:10 (one week ago) link

yeah i mean you are saying things that basically make sense but i just need another season of herro before i'm ready to even suggest what he actually is. has to be one of the most unique rookie seasons ever.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 03:21 (one week ago) link

you are saying things that basically make sense

this is the promise i make to this board ever day

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 October 2020 03:57 (one week ago) link

nba talking heads - keep making sense

cointelamateur (m bison), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 03:59 (one week ago) link

lol

lag∞n, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 05:26 (one week ago) link

i really dont buy any speculation that herro might be a 6th man. he will get starter level contract offers and he will be a starter.

micah, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 05:41 (one week ago) link

i just realized that demarcus cousins is gonna get a ring

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:36 (two days ago) link

do they give those to people who have played 0 minutes for the franchise

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:44 (two days ago) link

iirc if youre not on the playoff roster the active players vote whether to give u a share of the playoff bonus/a ring

lag∞n, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:46 (two days ago) link

boogie will almost certainly get the nod, if just to keep AD happy.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 18:07 (two days ago) link

ok

lag∞n, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 18:09 (two days ago) link

i dont think he'll get one.

Spottie, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 18:47 (two days ago) link

really sad career trajectory for that dude.

Spottie, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 18:47 (two days ago) link

yeah never really had a chance to establish himself outside the Bad Franchise

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 18:50 (two days ago) link

we never got to see what he and brow woulda looked like in the playoffs. they were just figuring it out when he blew his achilles.

Spottie, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 18:51 (two days ago) link

i think he gets one but doesn't wear it out

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 19:09 (two days ago) link


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