2020 nba offseason draft free agency etc

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What's going on with the top three prospects?
James Wiseman's departure

Wiseman's surprise decision to abandon his Memphis Tigers team midseason just as his NCAA-mandated suspension was nearing its end brought additional scrutiny about his perceived lack of competitiveness among NBA teams.

This has been a lingering concern for Wiseman, as he had already been prone in the past to pick and choose when to play and whether to operate at maximum intensity. That isn't ideal for a modern NBA big man who doesn't have proven shooting range or a means of creating offense consistently off the dribble.

At the moment, Wiseman's candidacy for the top pick consists of two impressive performances against overmatched opponents in South Carolina State and Illinois-Chicago, an inconsistent, foul-plagued showing against Oregon and a strong month on the high school all-star circuit last spring. That body of work leaves a lot to be desired, especially considering the concerns teams have about the ability of big men in his mold -- lacking elite defensive feel or money 3-point touch -- to affect an NBA game.

LaMelo Ball's unknowns

Ball rocketed to the top of some draft boards in the fall with his special combination of size, ballhandling, creativity and passing instincts. However, many skeptical teams did not make it a priority to scout his early-season National Basketball League games, and now a foot injury from early December could cause him to miss the rest of the season.

Most NBA decision-makers projected to be picking at the top of the 2020 draft never got a chance to evaluate Ball live in Australia, despite the early signs indicating he was more than worth their time, which in hindsight was a crucial mistake.

The fact that Ball has missed most of the NBL season because of injury -- something that has also been an issue for his brother, Lonzo, in the NBA -- won't do anything to quell the myriad concerns teams already had about him at the top of the draft. Along with his durability, the questions primarily stem from his reportedly erratic work ethic, potential distractions generated by his father, LaVar, and his glaring inconsistency with defense, perimeter shooting and general half-court scoring prowess.

Ball has clear No. 1 pick talent, but NBA teams still need a lot of convincing to feel comfortable that he has a good chance to realize his full potential.

Anthony Edwards' inconsistency

Edwards might gradually emerge as the consensus safest pick at the top of the draft, which is odd considering the Georgia guard has yet to put together a full game in which he is locked in from start to finish: operating at maximum intensity, making good decisions with the ball consistently and finding ways to use his tremendous tools to make an impact on both ends of the floor.

The theoretical version of Edwards at his peak -- a long-armed, hyperathletic, multipositional guard who can dribble, pass, shoot and defend -- is far more enticing at the moment than what he has actually shown.

To this point in the season, he has been plagued with inconsistency, passivity and inefficiency, but his extreme youth, less-than-ideal team situation and flashes of brilliance in small doses seemingly give him an edge. Those inconsistencies are not as worrisome to NBA executives as the major red flags his competitors for No. 1 carry.

Edwards still has quite a bit to prove over the next two months, but the door is wide open for him to emerge as the presumptive favorite.

Ball is still a candidate for the No. 1 pick, but there remains a lot of uncertainty among NBA evaluators. Setbacks caused by a lack of scouting opportunities Wiseman's abrupt desertion, combined with injuries to Ball and North Carolina guard Cole Anthony, have brought to the forefront a long-bubbling conversation in scouting circles pertaining to the NBA's self-imposed handicaps for evaluating future draft picks.

Outside of a handful of camps and all-star settings -- such as the McDonald's All American Game, the Nike Hoop Summit, the National Basketball Players Association Top 100 camp and the USA Basketball junior national team minicamp -- NBA scouts are restricted in their exposure to top high school talent before those prospects enroll in college. Scouts aren't allowed to watch elite prospects in their most natural settings (high school and AAU games), as the 2005 age limit intentionally restricted NBA scouts' ability to travel to games for youth prospects over a year away from draft eligibility.

More and more, NBA teams are asking why these outdated rules -- which are rife with confusion regarding who can and can't be scouted -- are still in place. Many expect a push to come soon that will allow scouts to return to high school gyms, even without the one-and-done rule going away.

Since the age limit was instituted, there have been numerous examples of players being drafted despite playing only a handful of college games -- or none at all, in the case of Darius Bazley and Mitchell Robinson. Injuries to the likes of Kyrie Irving and Darius Garland showed young prospects that the NBA isn't afraid to pick players in the top five even if they've played only a fraction of a season. The extreme case of Dante Exum, in which the Australian sat out an entire season to protect the draft stock he built up at the FIBA level and was nevertheless picked in the top five, showed the benefits of withholding scouting opportunities.

Now, more prospects feel that there's no need to risk injury or poor play knowing that the NBA has rarely shied away from selecting players due to limited information if there's intriguing upside attached.

From a basketball development standpoint, there's a strong case to be made that top prospects considering this strategy might very well be costing themselves the valuable experience of playing in big games, participating in practices, engaging in film sessions, undergoing skill-development training and handling legitimate feedback through the ups and downs of an actual season. It's one thing to be drafted high in the lottery, but it's another altogether to be ready to compete and excel in the NBA.

There's a real chance that none of the top seven players currently in our top 100 NBA draft rankings ends up playing a single NCAA tournament game. The entire top half of the lottery not playing in the tourney would be unprecedented in draft history, further costing NBA teams opportunities to evaluate prospects in high-stakes situations.

A number of scouts are concerned that the lowering of the age limit back down to 18 could cause elite prospects to take the drastic step of skipping their senior years of high school altogether, which would lead to further confusion in player evaluation. So it's no surprise that the chatter around one-and-done going away has screeched to a halt, as executives have encouraged their owners to tell NBA commissioner Adam Silver how opposed they are to making draft decisions on high schoolers yet again.

lag∞n, Friday, 10 January 2020 17:32 (eight months ago) link

everyone gonna be looking to trade their draft picks

championship winning vibration (Spottie), Friday, 10 January 2020 17:40 (eight months ago) link

There aren't any Zions or Lukas lurking out there for 2020, but there could easily be a Kawhi.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:27 (eight months ago) link

I feel like RJ Hampton will be the highest upside guy outside the top 5. Has an “it factor” to me.

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 12 January 2020 17:34 (eight months ago) link

idk i feel like after rj barretts struggles teams might be weary of selecting another rj

lag∞n, Sunday, 12 January 2020 17:45 (eight months ago) link

That’s gonna be a factor no doubt

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 12 January 2020 18:41 (eight months ago) link

Through 12 games, Ball averaged 17 points, 7.4 rebounds, and 6.8 assists per game, while shooting 37.7 percent from the field and 25 percent from beyond the arc. NBA scouts are intrigued by the California-native point guard skillset for his 6’7 frame, yet still have questions about his suspect jump-shot, which he struggled with over the season

https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/nbl/lamelo-ball-nbl-news-stats-injury-update-latest-illawarra-hawks-shutting-down/news-story/8013a5ec7305ce0e624f1e0cba42bb97

omg what did you type to find this gif? (Spottie), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:12 (eight months ago) link

that famous ball jumper

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 January 2020 17:22 (eight months ago) link

why is he projected as a top 3 pick idgi

omg what did you type to find this gif? (Spottie), Thursday, 16 January 2020 17:25 (eight months ago) link

everyone who missed out on lonzo is chomping at the bit to get another shot

ciderpress, Thursday, 16 January 2020 17:34 (eight months ago) link

why is he projected as a top 3 pick idgi

― omg what did you type to find this gif? (Spottie), Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:25 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

because there's no one that teams like any better

call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 January 2020 18:01 (eight months ago) link

yeah no ones feeling this draft

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 January 2020 18:09 (eight months ago) link

Anybody wanna post some Givony content

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/28484246/nba-draft-international-scouting-notebook-lottery-picks-more-intel

Heez, Thursday, 16 January 2020 18:16 (eight months ago) link

i put it in the thread for c&p

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 January 2020 18:24 (eight months ago) link

Some guy named Pokusevski has all of a sudden entered the top 10 mix.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:33 (eight months ago) link

Thanks goon btw

Heez, Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:20 (eight months ago) link

yaya

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:25 (eight months ago) link

I was looking at the grizz and they are insanely under the cap this offseason and there’s lots of small forward free agents, their only position that seems to be an issue. Might be worth overpaying one of them.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:13 (eight months ago) link

Add giannis and they'd be pretty tough

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:15 (eight months ago) link

Like why not just throw a ton at Davis Bertans

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:15 (eight months ago) link

Morant-Brooks-Bertans-JJJ-Jonas would be a hard team to defend that’s for sure

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:16 (eight months ago) link

six months pass...

Sad to say as a Georgia grad that I’ve never seen Anthony Edwards play. I guess he’d be nice next to trae. Confused why everyone has us passing on Wiseman just because capella is there now.

Heez, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 17:36 (one month ago) link

yeah thats silly

lag∞n, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 18:00 (one month ago) link

I saw him play Great Balls of Fire on piano once, but never basketball. Maybe with Eriq La Salle at some point?

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 18:25 (one month ago) link

da big day

The NBA draft lottery is tonight at 8:30PM EST on ESPN. pic.twitter.com/orfzsg0auk

— •Association Addict• (@AA_BallTalk) August 20, 2020

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 August 2020 14:55 (one month ago) link

fingers crossed

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Thursday, 20 August 2020 15:38 (one month ago) link

i like that they changed the odds and number of spots so that the teams with less shot still have some shot not like .0001%

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 August 2020 15:57 (one month ago) link

i also like that the 1-3 worst record have equal shot and it's not a guarantee at all. like gs could have the #5 pick thatd be great

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Thursday, 20 August 2020 18:00 (one month ago) link

yeah if the warriors get the 5 pick thats a good system

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 August 2020 18:00 (one month ago) link

This is one of those drafts where it feels like the best player is gonna go 9th

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 20 August 2020 18:12 (one month ago) link

11th* (if thats the spurs pick)

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Thursday, 20 August 2020 18:14 (one month ago) link

i also like that the 1-3 worst record have equal shot and it's not a guarantee at all. like gs could have the #5 pick thatd be great

― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:00 AM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah if the warriors get the 5 pick thats a good system

― lag∞n, Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:00 AM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

whoa you guys are rude. they deserve the top pick they are just scrappy underdogs trying to get back into the playoffs next year sheesh #WeBelieve

Spottie, Thursday, 20 August 2020 18:45 (one month ago) link

lol

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:06 (one month ago) link

i have faith those guys are gonna be the cinderellas of the ball

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 20 August 2020 22:30 (one month ago) link

spurs deserve the top pick every time they miss the playoffs so i am rooting for SA it is right

Clay, Friday, 21 August 2020 00:46 (one month ago) link

Lol knicks

Spottie, Friday, 21 August 2020 00:50 (one month ago) link

Lol hawks

Heez, Friday, 21 August 2020 00:51 (one month ago) link

wow cursed no longer

Clay, Friday, 21 August 2020 00:55 (one month ago) link

lucky for the hornets who prob needed it more than half the teams below them

ciderpress, Friday, 21 August 2020 01:08 (one month ago) link

I think Anthony Edwards could be good, if he ends up on the right team and plays like his hair’s on fire he could be a Russ type. But he can’t shoot for shit.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 21 August 2020 02:27 (one month ago) link

Is Anthony Edwards nickname "Goose"? If not, can we make that happen?

EZ Snappin, Friday, 21 August 2020 03:27 (one month ago) link

It would surprise me if Edwards doesn’t become a good shooter tbh

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 21 August 2020 17:14 (one month ago) link

Tim Duncan is the only player in the lottery era to be selected No. 1 overall and lead his original franchise to multiple titles.

crazy fact!

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 16:17 (one month ago) link

guess theyre leaving bron out since he left and came back

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 16:37 (one month ago) link

also the cavs only won one title :-p you are thinking of his time with the multiple time champion miami heat

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 August 2020 16:54 (one month ago) link

i dont know them

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 17:10 (one month ago) link

we had over a week straight of 4 games b2b2b2b daily and now im missing it. felt like march madness watching 1030 am hoop.

Spottie, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 18:03 (one month ago) link

yeah that sched is fun for sure

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 18:08 (one month ago) link

NBA is moving toward pushing back this year's draft, scheduled for Oct. 16, along with Oct. 18 start of free agency, partly because of likelihood that the tentative opening of the 2020-21 season will be delayed from Dec. 1, per sources. Also allows more time to set a salary cap. https://t.co/Sv2i5EqAsp

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 25, 2020

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 19:33 (one month ago) link

There’s not that many guys in the pre-lotto era that did it other than Magic, are there?

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 20:30 (one month ago) link

did kat tweet the cap emoji yet?

Spottie, Sunday, 27 September 2020 20:32 (four days ago) link

i feel like it’s pretty semantic at the end of the day... they aren’t going to trade him anytime soon whether he “wants out” or not. and if they continue to not be very good he’s going to leave and d’angelo russell being there won’t prevent that

J0rdan S., Sunday, 27 September 2020 22:35 (four days ago) link

greetings to the celtics who just maybe could still use a better Big Man instead of their diminishing-returny amount of scoring wings

ciderpress, Monday, 28 September 2020 02:08 (three days ago) link

yeah theis had a very rough playoffs

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 02:09 (three days ago) link

ehh he had to play vs the two best centers in the conference. still probably not the guy you want as your starting C though on a contender

ciderpress, Monday, 28 September 2020 02:12 (three days ago) link

i mean he got wrecked

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 02:13 (three days ago) link

i think the celtics just need like 2 more good players regardless of position

J0rdan S., Monday, 28 September 2020 02:14 (three days ago) link

their bench was not great this year

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 02:15 (three days ago) link

great season thooo they really out performed what most people thought

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 02:16 (three days ago) link

how do the c's feel about lamarcus aldridge i think he's available.

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:17 (three days ago) link

never heard of him

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 02:19 (three days ago) link

he is tall and can shoot, something u cant say for daniel theiger

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:24 (three days ago) link

think he does the exact opposite set of things from what the celtics need out of that spot

ciderpress, Monday, 28 September 2020 02:45 (three days ago) link

lma on the celtics is absurd, but not funny-absurd.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 28 September 2020 02:52 (three days ago) link

marc gasol imo

micah, Monday, 28 September 2020 02:57 (three days ago) link

al horrors might be available

Clay, Monday, 28 September 2020 03:02 (three days ago) link

horford lol nice tho

Clay, Monday, 28 September 2020 03:02 (three days ago) link

if horf wasnt aging i wld welcome him back, alas...

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 03:05 (three days ago) link

aging (into al horrors)

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 03:06 (three days ago) link

sad lol @ al horrors

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Monday, 28 September 2020 12:04 (three days ago) link

*tossing grass into the wind* trades a comin

Report: 76ers stars Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons don’t get along https://t.co/HF0vebX5CL

— Kurt Helin (@basketballtalk) September 28, 2020

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 15:12 (three days ago) link

Victor Oladipo is looking to move on from the Pacers this offseason, per Jared Weiss of The Athletic pic.twitter.com/AZ1LzEyWs1

— NBA Central (@TheNBACentral) September 28, 2020

Spottie, Monday, 28 September 2020 17:55 (three days ago) link

offseason is shaping up

Spottie, Monday, 28 September 2020 17:55 (three days ago) link

dipo really putting the pacers in a spot

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 18:06 (three days ago) link

in his current shape... hes not the type to get a team over the hump on a one year rental i dont think

Spottie, Monday, 28 September 2020 18:31 (three days ago) link

nagl vic

micah, Monday, 28 September 2020 20:36 (three days ago) link

played 50 games in the last two seasons, hogged the ball and chucked at a bad % when he did play, and now wants to force a trade with a year left on his contract...

micah, Monday, 28 September 2020 20:43 (three days ago) link

DOC FIRED

Spottie, Monday, 28 September 2020 21:17 (three days ago) link

they couldn't even work out a trade for him huh

Spottie, Monday, 28 September 2020 21:17 (three days ago) link

that is unexpected???

Clay, Monday, 28 September 2020 21:18 (three days ago) link

can’t fire the players I guess!!!

Clay, Monday, 28 September 2020 21:18 (three days ago) link

Doc is not a very good coach when a game is on the line. He basically just lets his players play. The players like him for that, but when it doesn't work he deserves the blame he gets for it.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 28 September 2020 21:29 (three days ago) link

paul george will not let the rivers family rest

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 21:57 (three days ago) link

That time lord guy always looks good when the celtics play him what’s the hold up there?

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 28 September 2020 22:16 (three days ago) link

hes out of position on defense all the time, but i do think he shd play more he makes offense better and has very good defensive potential, i think hell get more time next year

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 22:21 (three days ago) link

fire brad imo

Spottie, Monday, 28 September 2020 22:22 (three days ago) link

wow everyone calm down

lag∞n, Monday, 28 September 2020 22:24 (three days ago) link

about what?

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 28 September 2020 22:24 (three days ago) link

lol mark Jackson new clippers coach

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 28 September 2020 22:32 (three days ago) link

I mean I wish

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 28 September 2020 22:33 (three days ago) link

time lord can also barely play 4 consecutive minutes before he’s gassed.

call all destroyer, Monday, 28 September 2020 22:33 (three days ago) link

does he have any offensive skills to speak of

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 29 September 2020 01:02 (two days ago) link

hes a dangerous vertical spacer as they say

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 01:05 (two days ago) link

he can pass a bit and he can catch lobs

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 01:10 (two days ago) link

is he on a really cheap contract? that can be a very valuable skill in the luxury tax era.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 03:01 (two days ago) link

I can barely process this


I had heard a lot from people in the Nuggets organization about Vlatko Cancar being ultra dedicated to the weight room but GOOD LORD VLAKTO. pic.twitter.com/mQtWQmPNkp

— T.J. McBride (@TJMcBrideNBA) September 28, 2020

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 03:47 (two days ago) link

on the caruso plan

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 04:03 (two days ago) link

Vlatko Svarceneger Čančar, avgust 2019 - Septembar 2020 pic.twitter.com/V1YsYtE8rR

— Sale (@SaleVieDub) September 28, 2020

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 04:04 (two days ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/vknUdej.png

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 13:37 (two days ago) link

Source: Doc Rivers is currently with the Sixers brass and will watch Game 1 of the NBA Finals with them. A job offer is expected to follow soon.

— Jason Dumas (@JDumasReports) October 1, 2020

Spottie, Thursday, 1 October 2020 06:24 (fifty-one minutes ago) link


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