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Watch how The speed of Galloway’s dip on the way down matches it on the way up. A key component to rhythm. The bottom of the dip is timed with the tap of the right foot 👌 🏀@BBiomechanics pic.twitter.com/U9ByVC2Ra4

— BBALLBREAKDOWN (@bballbreakdown) January 6, 2020

one motion shot w minimal jump has become the standard, steve nash really the patient zero for the current culture imo w steph being the prime vector

lag∞n, Monday, 6 January 2020 04:00 (four years ago) link

galloway does the a kinda hybrid hop into a 1-2 there as far as the footwork which is kinda interesting

lag∞n, Monday, 6 January 2020 04:03 (four years ago) link

There’s more than one way to skin a cat

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 6 January 2020 19:39 (four years ago) link

hop is def the current thinking but seems like all the best shooters will use the 1-2 situationally sometimes

lag∞n, Monday, 6 January 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link

The moment Ball looked down at the crossover was when the charge was gonna happen pic.twitter.com/zgkuKlFQvk

— BBALLBREAKDOWN (@bballbreakdown) January 18, 2020

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2020 22:57 (four years ago) link

Deemed legal in real time.. @bballbreakdown @NunnBetterRefs @OfficialNBARefs pic.twitter.com/m8kEMpmk7s

— BBiomechanics (@BBiomechanics) January 29, 2020

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 22:42 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

saw some thing a while ago talking about how dell made steph radically change his shot to a higher release point while he was in high school because he wouldnt be able to get it off in the pros steph called it his summer of hell, got a lil chuckle out of that watching lamelo and trae shoot from their chins

lag∞n, Thursday, 25 February 2021 16:22 (three years ago) link

🎥 LaMelo Ball from the Warriors logo in slow-mo pic.twitter.com/oX2PmubnIu

— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) February 27, 2021

lag∞n, Saturday, 27 February 2021 02:37 (three years ago) link

it goes in but you would not teach someone to shoot that way

call all destroyer, Saturday, 27 February 2021 02:39 (three years ago) link

but maybe its good idk!

lag∞n, Saturday, 27 February 2021 02:40 (three years ago) link

The release point looks good

i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Saturday, 27 February 2021 02:48 (three years ago) link

What did Biyombo do to his free throw form??? pic.twitter.com/yABXnSAKaI

— BBALLBREAKDOWN (@bballbreakdown) February 27, 2021

lag∞n, Saturday, 27 February 2021 04:10 (three years ago) link

oh no. i do not like that.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 27 February 2021 04:19 (three years ago) link

biyombo is a non-baller

k3vin k., Saturday, 27 February 2021 04:36 (three years ago) link

the weirdest ft shooter I remember seeing was Shawn Marion, wouldn’t he kind of shove the ball with both hands semi-horizontally at the backboard?

brimstead, Saturday, 27 February 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link

pretty much describes his jumpshot altogether lol

lag∞n, Saturday, 27 February 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link

huh, his release point looks like it's close to his shoulders!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu9ig4mbouo

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 27 February 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMzIGECoaVQ

Fetchboy, Saturday, 27 February 2021 19:25 (three years ago) link

pretty funny that rick barry, one of the greatest shooters ever, shot free throws underhand

lag∞n, Saturday, 27 February 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link

with some of those you have to feel for the teammates who had to dap them up at the line, like "um... good job?"
i've always be been a fan of nelly's weird one handed thing

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 03:44 (three years ago) link

iirc Rick Barry was and remains outspoken about the underhand free throw. I know I heard an interview once about how he got Wilt to do it for a game or part of a season or something and he was able to make a much higher percentage, but wilt wouldn’t stick with it bc it didn’t look cool.

It’s pretty amazing how many dudes in that video actually had dece percentages. More than one way to skin a cat!

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:48 (three years ago) link

i remember that barry/wilt anecdote too, from basketball gypsy

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link

In his autobiography Chamberlain said using the "granny" shot made him "look silly" and "like a sissy."


To paraphrase the great Free to Be You and Me, a sissy is somebody who doesn’t use the granny shot because he’s afraid somebody will call him a sissy if he does use the granny shot

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Sunday, 28 February 2021 21:08 (three years ago) link

i didn't realize until recently that elena delle donne is a significantly better ft shooter than any nba player. her holding the ball out with her elbow at a 90 degree angle seems notable, but her shot looks pretty conventional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEHbB-9JvUo

circles, Sunday, 28 February 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link

the smaller ball would help with shooting % imo

micah, Sunday, 28 February 2021 22:32 (three years ago) link

so silly they shd use the same ball

lag∞n, Monday, 1 March 2021 00:29 (three years ago) link

uh why

micah, Monday, 1 March 2021 02:21 (three years ago) link

cause its the same sport

lag∞n, Monday, 1 March 2021 02:43 (three years ago) link

I could watch Pistol Pete Maravich demonstrate ballhandling drills to Red Auerbach all day ...

pic.twitter.com/BWWbqcVFbH

— Super 70s Sports (@Super70sSports) March 11, 2021

lag∞n, Thursday, 11 March 2021 17:22 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

"hip mobility" is the new scouting buzzword lol

lag∞n, Saturday, 17 April 2021 04:24 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Eid7669zY

lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 04:16 (two years ago) link

marcus would be an amazing player development coach someday. he talks the game really well.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 00:17 (two years ago) link

such obvious passion too

lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link

yeah i could see him really wanting to do a job like that

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

never been clear to me who the guys are who help the players do drills, are they on the development staff or what they tend to be young theyre not coaches theyre not ball boys

Andrew Wiggins struggling a bit at Warriors practice. 👀

(via @LetsGoWarriors, h/t @dubs4o8)pic.twitter.com/convmX6EFR

— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) October 1, 2021

lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?GameEventID=429&GameID=0022100172&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=Clarkson%20REBOUND%20(Off:0%20Def:1)&sct=plot

never seen this play before. the pacers used it to break the jazz zone. it's like the elevator doors play but in reverse

micah, Friday, 12 November 2021 11:09 (two years ago) link

this is cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2T4bJh165g

lag∞n, Friday, 26 November 2021 03:00 (two years ago) link

Ralph Miller, the coach of the Oregon State Beaver hoops team from 1970-1989 favored a similar heavily pass-oriented offense. I think he cribbed it from Phog Allen. He hated to see his guards dribbling more than twice.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 26 November 2021 04:32 (two years ago) link

Fascinating video

Spottie, Friday, 26 November 2021 05:56 (two years ago) link

that was great, thanking u

call all destroyer, Friday, 26 November 2021 14:41 (two years ago) link

Ya watched that a couple weeks ago and been telling all my bball friends about it

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 26 November 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link

NEW Breakdown: Ty Lue shows again why he is one of the best X's & O's coaches in the NBA - NASTY ATO counter! pic.twitter.com/U4MAFvOKCd

— Half Court Hoops (@HalfCourtHoops) December 7, 2021

lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link

love it

Spottie, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 21:52 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

I made diagrams of 34 types of ballscreens, from Angle PnR to Wedge Roll

If you see a pick-and-roll but don't know its name so you can't look it up, try looking for it on this page and hopefully you'll find the right one

Lmk which ones I've left out!https://t.co/aBO1HPCn7T

— Bowser2Bowser (@bowser2bowser) January 21, 2022

lag∞n, Saturday, 22 January 2022 00:04 (two years ago) link

that is excellent.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 January 2022 14:36 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyA_wTOzza4
Alex Caruso talks defense

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 17 February 2022 21:15 (two years ago) link

i want to thank caruso for shaving his head

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2022 22:15 (two years ago) link

love that

Spottie, Thursday, 17 February 2022 22:18 (two years ago) link

hes really thinking about the shot clock good stuff

lag∞n, Thursday, 17 February 2022 22:21 (two years ago) link

steals are one of the best plays, as long as youre not gambling

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 17:31 (six months ago) link

seems like pursuing the play once youre beat has become standard defense where it was once not, leads to more blocks from behind poking balls away and so forth

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 17:38 (six months ago) link

Jose Alvarado please stand up. Also get healthy so you can poke away balls again.

Jeff, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 18:36 (six months ago) link

the 309 point game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvyiAiF6L9c

lag∞n, Sunday, 26 November 2023 14:57 (five months ago) link

man i really cant stand how that guy talks.

micah, Wednesday, 29 November 2023 11:04 (five months ago) link

i was mad they did not overturn this

I can’t believe that I have to explain this…#basketballiscooked pic.twitter.com/f5KF8N4WIw

— #1 ranked snitch ref (@DevInTheLab) November 29, 2023

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Thursday, 30 November 2023 15:57 (five months ago) link

steph mightve put a lil extra on that one hard to tell tho he was moving in many directions

lag∞n, Thursday, 30 November 2023 16:06 (five months ago) link

funny thing was his kick didnt hit anyone

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Thursday, 30 November 2023 16:55 (five months ago) link

he got monk on the thigh, pretty dubious call tho i can see how the refs would be suspicious of the path his leg took sort of an usual hooking motion

https://i.imgur.com/GSgQEAi.png

lag∞n, Thursday, 30 November 2023 17:00 (five months ago) link

shoudla just been a nocall

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Thursday, 30 November 2023 17:53 (five months ago) link

yeah in real time it looks like theres a ton of contact but there wasnt much really

lag∞n, Thursday, 30 November 2023 19:52 (five months ago) link

i dont think devin should be using a clip of reggie of all people to demonstrate a natural shooting motion

or mj or kobe or cp3 for that matter

micah, Thursday, 30 November 2023 20:16 (five months ago) link

haha thats fair

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Thursday, 30 November 2023 20:42 (five months ago) link

i think a lot of these guys practice kicking out to the extent it does become part of their usual motion, even if its not necessary to get the shot up... no real downside to it unless the league cracks down

micah, Thursday, 30 November 2023 21:20 (five months ago) link

the right leg kick out is def naturally when turning on that shoulder to shoot

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Thursday, 30 November 2023 21:35 (five months ago) link

sure in that particular shot maybe

micah, Sunday, 3 December 2023 08:49 (five months ago) link

two months pass...

Whyyyy

Kyle Anderson warms up with corner 3’s before Wolves-Clippers.

(via @TomerAzarly) pic.twitter.com/kEx9DjGYxn

— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPoints) February 13, 2024

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 03:42 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

investigating the luka mysteries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZfufGaRhHg

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:08 (one month ago) link

crazy the mavs have two guys who are elite with the ball and do nothing otherwise

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:09 (one month ago) link

i think thinking basketball lets him off the hook there only trying when you have the ball is actually really bad, is pretty easy to look at individual plays and see things luka couldve done better but theres also the hidden loss of strategic flexibility, mavs arent drawing up plays for luka to get easy catch and shoot threes, and their opponents know that and theyre like thank you for leaving that very good play on the table, it also as mentioned in the video squanders the talents teammates who are good with the ball

luka reads the game in a self centered manner, hes an amazing passer but not in a way that cares about his teammates talents, its anti point guard stuff, its a hardenesque approach where hes just like spread out and be ready to shoot or roll, his teammates are cogs in the luka machine, and then he powers down when he doesnt have the ball lol, cant be the most fulfilling system to play in

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:30 (one month ago) link

funny aside about plus minus in there lol yeah a stat thats noisy over a single season might not be the best over a longer timeframe because players output might change over the course of five years, but they want it to be good so bad it makes so much sense

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:37 (one month ago) link

great video, even if ben thanos’d jokic for some reason lol.

raw plus-minus is clearly telling you something important, you can just look at the guys at the top, but you are always going to have outliers that need to be explained (usually due to weird lineup things, for example KCP is like top 10 in raw plus minus this year). the adjusted plus-minuses are getting better and better, they still have some kinks but it’s not like the old days where some rando big was 7th in the league in PER or something.

brony james (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:45 (one month ago) link

delivering accuracy on the level of asking a casual basketball fan is a great accomplishment for a decade of work by the statistics community

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:53 (one month ago) link

i think these playoffs will tell us a lot about the current state of luka. he is a perpetual top 5 player so he should be held to a high standard; on the other hand there isn't any lead player drafted in his class or after him that has anywhere near as many playoff wins. the thunder could make the finals this year and SGA still wouldn't have as many playoff wins as luka & that's including games where he was chris paul's sidekick. if the mavs win another playoff series this year, given what is on their roster, i think i'd have a hard time worrying about whether luka's "impact" is overstated

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:17 (one month ago) link

he just needs to win one playoff series and the questions about his game are moot

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:20 (one month ago) link

i mean, no. i said i get why he is held to a high standard. but i also think if he continues to demonstrate the ability to win playoff series when other stars his age cannot/do not, that some of the criticisms start to seem a bit silly

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:24 (one month ago) link

Luka Doncic is leading the league in scoring and is 2nd in assists, but for there's a long term trend related to the scoreboard that doesn't match that production

yeah i wonder why that could be one sec lemme check their roster

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:26 (one month ago) link

mavs roster always seems to be bad its weird lemme check what some of their past players are up to

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:28 (one month ago) link

yeah when he had a really good young player on his team luka put up 32/10/7 and led his team to the conference finals hopefully one day archeologists are able to uncover his impact there, it's a huge mystery

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:35 (one month ago) link

i was watching mavs celtics last game with my dad who is a big box score reader but not that big of a game watcher outside the celtics and he was getting all fired up about luka to kind of an annoying degree tho tbf luka was cooking the celtics were just guarding him straight up letting him get his i was like just watch him get tired as the game goes on and sure enough by mid third quarter he was chucking stepback 3s then in the fourth he had one basket and the celtics wrecked the mavs easily, his style of play its just obviously not good its not the good way to play basketball

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:36 (one month ago) link

mavs barely squeaked into the conf finals and got destroyed, they were a second round quality team that year, i mean it was nice for them dont get me wrong and they were on a roll for sure but stuff like that happens no one is consulting the history books over it

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:39 (one month ago) link

like the lakers last year sometimes there just a bunch of pretty good teams and one of them wins a couple rounds

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:39 (one month ago) link

i think one reasonable theory about lukas game is that its a high floor and not necessarily capped ceiling but its more difficult to raise the ceiling of his teams to contender status because he doesnt play good team ball, of course thats just speculation at this point since hes never had a contending quality roster

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:43 (one month ago) link

the suns that year were defending conference champs, brought back the same nucleus, won 64 games, and were the 1 seed by 8 games so gonna have to disagree w/ you on that one. don't retcon that game 7 into them being some mediocre opponent

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:44 (one month ago) link

i agree w/ you & have consistently agreed that he has conditioning, stamina, modulation issues that he has to figure out as his career progresses so if "style of play" just means a decrease in usage so that he can last longer across games/the playoffs then yeah. but the heliocentric possessions where ppl stand around and watch luka thing that you guys really pick at i just don't think is as big of a problem bcuz he's simply too good. i'm not chalking james harden's playoff failures up to "style of play" and then pinning that on luka

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:45 (one month ago) link

he just stands around when he doesnt have the ball and that includes defense its really bad its harmful not sure what else to say about that hes giving back a bunch there

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:47 (one month ago) link

xp didnt say the suns were mediocre tho they did have some issues what i said was the mavs barley squeaked through (seven game series) then got wrecked (five games series)

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:48 (one month ago) link

sorry but beating the 1 seed on the road in game 7 by 40 points does not count to me as squeaking through but whatever

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:51 (one month ago) link

i watched that celtics game too and maybe your analysis of it is correct, it's subjective. luka was out of his mind incredible in the first half and did not match that in the second half. but my take away from that game was that the mavs are built on the concept of having two high level star players and if kyrie is going to go 9-23 and 1-7 from three vs a team as good as boston then the mavs are not going to be competitive

you're presenting a theoretical scenario where luka tries less hard and passes more in the first half of that game, gets his teammates involved more and is able to have more stamina to dominate in the fourth quarter. i would submit that if luka wasn't playing like the best basketball player of all time in the first half the mavs would've been down by 20+ and nothing that happened in the second half would've even mattered. so i guess it's a matter of perspective

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:52 (one month ago) link

but again people have been talking about luka figuring out a better balance between domination and stamina since he was putting up first half triple doubles vs the clippers in the 21 playoffs and i don't think he has taken a serious critical approach to that aspect of his game so all of that stuff i agree w/

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 17:55 (one month ago) link

that celtics game they were targeting him on defense was part of the reason he was so tired the other part is he plays a very tiring style, good teams are going to do the same until theres a solution for it, he could get in better shape we dont have any idea how much hes capable of increasing his stamina, its seems like probably some but also he likely doesnt have naturally high stamina, his style of expending a ton of energy with the ball then resting the rest of the time just makes him vulnerable to scheming

you really want your perennial mvp candidates to elicit the reaction from opponents wtf are we supposed to do with that, like whatre you gonna do vs joker whats the plan here you got nothing, giannis youre like wall him off hope the bucks dont hit threes its not great but its what you have, embiid the obvious plan is to have al horford haha jk he has stamina issues too, but luka the plan is pretty clear youre gonna go after him on d which tbf is just good for scoring points and it will tire him out and then you hope he fades in the second half it has a decent chance of working

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:03 (one month ago) link

maybe in the regular season where he's not playing as hard sure, that is real. in that suns series they were putting luka in every single pick and roll every single time they could and some games it was fruitful and in other games it was a disaster. he is big so you can only take so much advantage of him on defense, i don't think ppl feel like we're dealing w/ a trae or early steph curry level point of attack defender where just purely from a size perspective there is very little that person can do, tho steph is also a great example of how guys can continue to get stronger and better at defense over the years to the point where the defense is no longer dragging down the offense. you can also more easily scheme away from having the same guy getting picked on every time in the playoffs than you can or do in the regular season. so yeah idk

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:08 (one month ago) link

luka is legitimately an extremely bad defender hes not close to where he should be

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:09 (one month ago) link

i agree that he is not close to where he should be but the individual numbers on his defense do not suggest that he is extremely bad specifically and the mavs have played great defense for long stretches w/ him on the floor

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:11 (one month ago) link

if you took shai off OKC and put luka in his place and told j dub and chet that they had to stand around for 5 extra possessions a game as they watched luka cook i think OKC would prob be a worse regular season team but i don't think their playoff ceiling would be lower and it quite possibly could be higher. and if shai was on dallas i don't think anyone would be saying that they have a significantly better shot of winning a playoff series. so how much of it is the warts of the player vs the warts of the roster

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:12 (one month ago) link

the mavs have played great defense for long stretches w/ him on the floor

― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, April 4, 2024 2:11 PM (twenty-eight seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

mavs playing good team defense in the regular season in stretches against just ok teams is one thing, throwing luka and kyrie out there against a quality prepared playoff opponent is a completely different proposition, the mavs could just try to effort and swarm their was through it switch a bunch fly around and so forth it could even work thats what they did in that suns series, but what they cant do is just play solid and make minor adjustments, a fwiw they are for the season a not good defensive team

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:17 (one month ago) link

luka on okc is an interesting thought experiment would we even know that jdub is a good player, prob not, maybe close watchers of the team would figure it out, tho would okc let luka play the way he likes to idk hard to say

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:20 (one month ago) link

but yeah putting luka on a better team would be good for him he should look into that, not the nugs tho that would just be unfair

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:25 (one month ago) link

it would be interesting to see if joker could get him to play better ball tho

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:26 (one month ago) link

they’re bffs it is fated I’m afraid

brony james (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 21:18 (one month ago) link


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