thread of luka doncic

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averaging 26.7, 10.3, and 9.5 on .605 true shooting through 6 games

I can think of...maybe 3 players whose next 3 years I would take over luka’s

he‘ll be 21 in 4 months

k3vin k., Monday, 4 November 2019 15:17 (two weeks ago) link

Who was the last guy who was clearly the best player in his age group from 17-21? Even Anthony Davis was a late bloomer.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 4 November 2019 15:32 (two weeks ago) link

the list of players 21 or under who had at least 20% usage and a PER of >25 is jordan, magic, lebron, shaq, KD, anthony davis, KAT, jokic, and luka

k3vin k., Monday, 4 November 2019 15:51 (two weeks ago) link

the players I’m pretty sure are better than luka doncic right now: lebron, davis, giannis, kawhi, harden, curry

k3vin k., Monday, 4 November 2019 16:26 (two weeks ago) link

he is v good at basketball. got tix to see him on black friday.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 4 November 2019 16:27 (two weeks ago) link

will be proud to say i got to see his first nba game

de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Friday, 8 November 2019 00:33 (one week ago) link

im intrigued to see how he and zinger work out. watched a few games of theirs and it looks like zinger is way underused in the final minutes of close games. it should be pnr with him and luka but he ends up just spotting up and someone else runs the pick.. then its just luka time. if they can grow/stay together and stay healthy that could be a killer duo for a while.

he looks to be in way better shape this season which is huge. has a crazy array of ways to make shots.

de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Friday, 8 November 2019 00:36 (one week ago) link

is zinger good? I’m honestly not sure

k3vin k., Friday, 8 November 2019 00:57 (one week ago) link

he's obviously Por

EZ Snappin, Friday, 8 November 2019 00:59 (one week ago) link

Depends on your definition of good

de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Friday, 8 November 2019 01:22 (one week ago) link

he just missed a whole season prob wont know for a while

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 02:15 (one week ago) link

feel like even during that one year when he was good he was a really inefficient scorer, surprisingly so for someone of his size and with his skills. I think he is just bad at offense. he is also a really bad rebounder and doesn’t pass. he can block shots good tho

k3vin k., Friday, 8 November 2019 04:39 (one week ago) link

he's a guy who could have developed out of his bad habits but it's tough to develop when you're always injured

call all destroyer, Friday, 8 November 2019 04:42 (one week ago) link

he was the whole offense in NY so he should see an uptick in efficiency. his rebounding is so weak and he is def one of the worst black holes in the league. he could be an amazing 2nd best player on a good team just depends if he wants that role or not.

de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Friday, 8 November 2019 04:44 (one week ago) link

well he’s not in doncic’s league as a player so he’s gonna have to. and despite this he’s shooting terribly!

k3vin k., Friday, 8 November 2019 05:05 (one week ago) link

I mean his true shooting is .516, how is that even possible

k3vin k., Friday, 8 November 2019 05:06 (one week ago) link

cos his FT% is way down so far. this should all get better he hasnt played in like 21 months

de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Friday, 8 November 2019 05:10 (one week ago) link

his career ts% is like .534, this is just who he is I think

k3vin k., Friday, 8 November 2019 05:23 (one week ago) link

I think Cad is right. Right when he seemed to have turned a corner a bit he got hurt.

de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Friday, 8 November 2019 05:55 (one week ago) link

yeah last we heard of him he had an insanely good start to the season then started complaining about being exhausted and blew up his acl

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 16:24 (one week ago) link

I find Porzingis’ TS% strange because he shoots a healthy 3p% and is generally good on midrange postups. Those are two things that are so high equity and valuable from a 7 footer that I almost don’t care about the ts%

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 8 November 2019 16:32 (one week ago) link

He’s probably the best rim protector in the league as well

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 8 November 2019 16:34 (one week ago) link

anyway if he stays healthy theres no way he wont play better u dont just miss a season and a half and play yr best ball

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 16:39 (one week ago) link

it’s actually the midrange stuff that’s killing him, he’s taking a career high share of his shots (24%) from 3-10 feet and only shooting .296 from there

k3vin k., Friday, 8 November 2019 17:11 (one week ago) link

wonder if hes having trouble getting to the rim in the pnr or if those are more post ups or what

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 17:14 (one week ago) link

With his incredible start to the season (26.7pts, 9.1ast, 9.9reb), the question #must be asked: Is Luka Doncic A Top 5 Player In The NBA? https://t.co/dZN2uGhYub

— BBALLBREAKDOWN (@bballbreakdown) November 8, 2019

k3vin k., Friday, 8 November 2019 18:53 (one week ago) link

Top 15 it seems

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 8 November 2019 21:40 (one week ago) link

he's top 5 until he isn't

ciderpress, Friday, 8 November 2019 21:40 (one week ago) link

aron baynes is also a top 10 player currently

ciderpress, Friday, 8 November 2019 21:41 (one week ago) link

yeah i mean the thing is even when a young players is putting up all nba number vs the wizards on a tuesday night we all know it takes years of honing their game before they can dominate vs the real good teams when it really counts (the nba playoffs baby)

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 21:45 (one week ago) link

i mean like even giannis whos been at this a while longer and has an mvp still kinda got exposed in last years offs

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 21:48 (one week ago) link

kawhi leonard on the other hand got very not exposed

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 21:54 (one week ago) link

I really think luka is in that giannis/kawhi class in terms of talent, even if he’s not quite there yet. not sure I’ve felt more sure of a young dude since maybe anthony davis, and lebron before that

k3vin k., Friday, 8 November 2019 22:53 (one week ago) link

only thing i wld say is he doesnt have the defensive or athletic ceiling near any of those guys, hes more like...........harden

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 22:57 (one week ago) link

but a harden who plays joyfully and unselfishly, sounds pretty great!

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 22:58 (one week ago) link

i think u cld also compare him to steph or kyrie tho obvs those are smaller guys and so a little different

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 22:59 (one week ago) link

harden is closest tho, theyre both chuckers

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 22:59 (one week ago) link

but harden is an efficient chucker something that is apparently possible now

lag∞n, Friday, 8 November 2019 23:00 (one week ago) link

another big game tonite

ciderpress, Saturday, 9 November 2019 05:03 (one week ago) link

he is good at basketball

k3vin k., Saturday, 9 November 2019 06:11 (one week ago) link

Doncic is probably done for the night. The line he achieved in three quarters -- 24 points, 14 boards, eight assists -- has only been done in nine other regular season since last season's All-Star break. Doncic has now done it three times this week.

— Bobby Karalla (@bobbykaralla) November 10, 2019

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 03:15 (one week ago) link

on the second night of a back to back, man. I miss being 20

k3vin k., Sunday, 10 November 2019 03:51 (one week ago) link

http://bkref.com/tiny/6Rdfq

looks like only the fifth 24-14-8 on a back to back since 83, joining barkley, bird, jeff ruland(!), and...david lee?

k3vin k., Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:13 (one week ago) link

luka basically a combo of all those guys (idk who jeff ruland is)

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:14 (one week ago) link

consecutive games of 24-14-8, that is

k3vin k., Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:14 (one week ago) link

would be cool if luka was part jeff ruland

ciderpress, Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:15 (one week ago) link

lmao

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:21 (one week ago) link

both guys wearing the same shoes except one is hi top and one is mid

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:23 (one week ago) link

lol that is exactly chicago mike d'antoni from the reg season thread!

mike dan tony (Clay), Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:30 (one week ago) link

does luka have the celtics mindtype

k3vin k., Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:50 (one week ago) link

oh definitely

lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:53 (one week ago) link

i am not convinced he does

ciderpress, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:12 (one week ago) link

Ayton was a really bad pick but you could at least understand the outlines of it, Bagley I just didn’t get at all. What was the best case scenario for him?

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:25 (one week ago) link

My theory is that Ranadive thought Bogdan was better

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:25 (one week ago) link

the ol weve already got a guy like that

lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:26 (one week ago) link

which prob factored into the suns pick too

lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:28 (one week ago) link

then theres atl who had luka fall into their lap and traded him, tho trae is looking pretty great too

lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:29 (one week ago) link

The odd thing about the Suns is a big reason not to take Luka would seemingly be that they already had a good sf but then they handed him to the pacers inexplicably

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:36 (one week ago) link

mightve been worried abt the fit w booker in that theyre both ball dominant, which is silly imo but bad teams stay bad for a reason

lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:40 (one week ago) link

Rubio and Doncic would have been a questionable fit so they’ve got that going for them. But unfortunately Ayton is Rony Seikaly without the style

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:53 (one week ago) link

well they probably wouldn't have signed rubio if they had doncic. at least a sane team wouldn't do something like that.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 01:10 (one week ago) link

rubio and doncic would be kinda fascinating

k3vin k., Wednesday, 13 November 2019 02:24 (one week ago) link

this is fn insane considering he doesnt actually get all the way to the rim that often

Best FG% off drives so far this year (min 10 drives per game):
Luka Doncic - 68.6% (!)
Gordon Hayward - 63.4%
Russ Westbrook - 63.0%
Dame Lillard - 60.2%
Pascal Siakam - 58.2%
Brandon Ingram - 57.9%
James Harden - 57.8%
Derrick Rose - 57.1%
Jaylen Brown - 56.7%

— Michael Gallagher (@MikeSGallagher) November 13, 2019

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 17:39 (one week ago) link

gotta think thats gonna cool off but still

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 17:40 (one week ago) link

I’d love to see like the points per possession on drives, he’s deadly in the paint, gets fouled a ton in there, and finds guys all the time

k3vin k., Wednesday, 13 November 2019 17:48 (one week ago) link

Through games on Nov. 12, which #NBA sophomores have done the most (or least) with their minutes during the 2019-20 season? pic.twitter.com/KfLkEyiMnT

— NBA Math (@NBA_Math) November 13, 2019

k3vin k., Wednesday, 13 November 2019 17:59 (one week ago) link

i am seeing some outliers

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 18:40 (one week ago) link

this is getting pretty ridiculous. career high 42-11-12 tonight

k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 04:35 (yesterday) link

This kid was the MVP of the all-European championship tournament at age 18, or maybe 19, so you'd expect it would take him a good year of seasoning in the NBA before he was ready to show is true mettle. Last year was just him getting acquainted.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 04:39 (yesterday) link

just luka things

moullet, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 16:55 (yesterday) link

I think I said it before itt but has there been another player since Lebron who was the unquestioned best guy in his age group from 17-21?

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:08 (yesterday) link

idk how helpful that framework really is, I mean his production at age 20 is completely without precedent. he’s basically mike trout.

to your question tho guys like...kyrie, AD, maybe? I mean isn’t there always a guy who’s the best

k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:20 (yesterday) link

AD didn’t blow up until his senior year of high school

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:33 (yesterday) link

Rubio was the best from 14-18 probably

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:34 (yesterday) link

I think I said it before itt but has there been another player since Lebron who was the unquestioned best guy in his age group from 17-21?

― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:08 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if it was unquestioned he wouldnt have gone 3rd, i mean the ppl questioning it were obvs wrong but still they questioned it

lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:44 (yesterday) link

w bron no one questioned it except like 2 contrarian sportswriters

lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:44 (yesterday) link

I remember a few iconoclasts who were all about darko >> bron

mike dan tony (Clay), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:52 (yesterday) link

might as well go all the way w it

lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:53 (yesterday) link

I think I said it before itt but has there been another player since Lebron who was the unquestioned best guy in his age group from 17-21?

― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:08 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if it was unquestioned he wouldnt have gone 3rd, i mean the ppl questioning it were obvs wrong but still they questioned it


The reason he slipped to third is that people thought he didn’t have the upside but Ayton and bagley were both disappointing in college to some degree and he was euroleague mvp or whatever

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 20:22 (yesterday) link

Even this offseason people did the same upside argument but he continues to be the best player his age

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 20:23 (yesterday) link

oh ok I understand your question better now, you’re asking about guys who were the best every year over those years?

k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 20:35 (yesterday) link

Yeah

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 21:59 (yesterday) link

What makes the Lebron story so amazing is that he was number 1 at age 16 and he just checked the box every year and continues to do so

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:02 (yesterday) link

the goat

lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:03 (yesterday) link

has vince carter been the best 37-42 year old player for all those years? that’s impressive too

k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:35 (yesterday) link

of all time i doubt it, he hasn't been that effective for the past few years

ciderpress, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:13 (yesterday) link

no I just mean during those years

k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:20 (yesterday) link

Yeah Vince outlasted his whole generation

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 00:04 (nineteen hours ago) link

same draft as dirk and pierce

lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 00:09 (nineteen hours ago) link

Btw taking a look back at it the second best nba player from Anthony Davis’ recruiting class, by a considerable margin, is Malcolm Brogdon. Was barely a top 100 recruit.

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:12 (seventeen hours ago) link

yeah, vince is the last remaining guy who played in the '90s, i think.

would kd count as a best in his class, 17-21 guy? assuming that people didn't *actually* think oden was better.

circles, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:18 (seventeen hours ago) link

a lot of ppl thought oden was better

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:19 (seventeen hours ago) link

yeah, it's kind of iffy

circles, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:21 (seventeen hours ago) link

btw, looking for kd's nbadraft.net page, i just noticed that they totally redesigned, r.i.p. website that had looked exactly the same for the last ~18 years.

circles, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:21 (seventeen hours ago) link

oden was never that good tho

lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:26 (seventeen hours ago) link

lol circles i had the same experience & thought like a week ago

infinite nature of (god)7 (Clay), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:34 (seventeen hours ago) link

xp it was still an era when being a big center was a premium thing

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:37 (seventeen hours ago) link

xpost stuff's mostly still there, just harder to find. i know this is a thread about the greatest slovenian baller of all time, but:

Strengths: His upside is out of this world … This kid is not even begining to scratch the surface of his potential … Looking at him you see his frame is going to fill out in 3-4 years … Very fluid athlete with explosiveness … He plays hard and is still learning the game … Provided he works hard, Durant is going to be a special player in the league who will be able to do many different things on the court … Not aggressive enough to be like Kevin Garnett, but skilled enough down the road to contribute like a Andrei Kirilenko or a Grant Hill … Developing inside outside game … Can shoot the 3 and flush in transition … It is scary to think of what he could be like if he puts on 15 lbs of muscle and developed a handle, a 2010 version of KG!

Weaknesses: His (lack of) stength is his major weakness, and he really needs to put on weight or he won’t be able to do much in the NBA except shoot deep 3s or score in transition like Darius Miles of 4 years ago … Needs to become more aggresive, develop more nastiness … Still developing a game off the dribble Defensively he needs to move his feet better and keep his hands active on the ball … Oak Hill Academy is giving him the work ethic he will need in the long run, since he most likely won’t be going to college
Aran Smith – 12/27/2004

vs.

Aran Smith – 7/9/2005
Strenths: Incredibly fluid athlete for a 7 footer Tremendous speed in the open court A center with his agility and talent comes along roughly every 8-10 years Extremely quick and explosive Enormous potential His game has improved significantly from his sophomore to junior seasons Starting to understand how to use his body and how dominant he can be Big defensive presence, and a terrific shot blocker with great length, timing and instincts Excellent rebounder Soft touch around the basket Has developed a decent turnaround hook with his right hand Very good passer with nice court vision (averaged 3.7 assists per game as a junior) Quality kid with a great attitude Very coachable, listens and wants to improve Team player with a winners mentality Improving on a daily basis Decent free throw shooter at 64% but needs to and should improve upon it (improved considerably from 51% as a sophomore)

Weaknesses: Soft spoken. Very humble personality, which is a positive and a negative in that some would like to see him develop more of a swagger of confidence, but Tim Duncan and David Robinson were/are both silent (humble) assassins Needs to add more nastiness on the floor to dominate Still raw in terms of post moves, they are developing, but still have a ways to go He is so dominant on the high school level he hasn’t needed to develop any range or post skills Doesn’t have the ability to create offense for himself as he can overwhelm anyone he faces with his size and athleticism Still scores mostly on ally oops and put backs Has nice touch, but needs to develop a consistent mid range shot ( la David Robinson) Strength wont be an issue for him ultimately, but right now he needs to add muscle to his upper body and legs Almost too unselfish

Outlook: The top candidate for the number 1 pick in the 2007 draft, one year removed from high school A year of college should give him a great stepping stone for the NBA.

circles, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:42 (seventeen hours ago) link

Ah he needs to develop a mid range shot, like David Robinson

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 02:19 (sixteen hours ago) link


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