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prob just variance

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 15:40 (two months ago) link

few games get to 80 instead of 79 here and there

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 15:40 (two months ago) link

2007 and 2016 seem to be the years things change where 04 and 12 are outliers

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 15:44 (two months ago) link

would be interesting to dive deeper into that data and see if specific teams with extreme good d/bad o splits skew for particular years. i looked at the replies to the tweet and didn't say anything that spoke to that but did come across this amazing picture:

SIXERS: 79
KNICKS: 73

First time in 8 (!) years that a game has ended with both teams below 80 points. Throwback. pic.twitter.com/KGZ4ENZL03

— NBA University (@NBA_University) March 11, 2024

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 11 March 2024 15:55 (two months ago) link

love that photo

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Monday, 11 March 2024 15:56 (two months ago) link

bogey only played 18mins in that game and took 8 shots mightve wanted tp bump that up under the circumstances, meanwhile josh harts going 4-13

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 16:16 (two months ago) link

with 6 turnovers

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 16:26 (two months ago) link

that sixers line up is tragic

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 11 March 2024 16:56 (two months ago) link

not great stuff

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 17:17 (two months ago) link

Free Throw Attempts before and after Jan 31,2024

You can see a sharp drop in offense after Jan 31, the main reason is due to less FTs i.e. shooting fouls not being called

All except 2 teams (CHI, HOU) have lower FTA after Jan 31 than before

Largest drops: PHI,NYK,NOP,BOS,MIL pic.twitter.com/t3cEf5yk4D

— Sravan (@SravanNBA) March 11, 2024

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Monday, 11 March 2024 18:56 (two months ago) link

new year new me --nba refs

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 18:59 (two months ago) link

silver made some calls

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Monday, 11 March 2024 19:00 (two months ago) link

or they want to gear up for playoff basketball post all star break

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Monday, 11 March 2024 19:00 (two months ago) link

sixers and knicks big drops prob mostly due to injuries, celtics are being persecuted tho, they dont even get to the line that much in the first place its unfair

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 19:02 (two months ago) link

or they want to gear up for playoff basketball post all star break

― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Monday, March 11, 2024 3:00 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is a good idea have an in between phase to ease into the playoffs

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 19:04 (two months ago) link

these trend lines are all over the place. wild stuff

Looking at Fouls per Game

It is on a downwards trend throughout the season

Fouls per Game have never been lower in 5 seasons https://t.co/s5FUgPwLBU pic.twitter.com/ERbwrSvn23

— Sravan (@SravanNBA) March 7, 2024

micah, Monday, 11 March 2024 19:53 (two months ago) link

kudos to the league for being so responsive they pushed the button as basically as soon as everyone started complaining

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 22:06 (two months ago) link

if a silent directive on officiating is causing most of this that’s actually pretty scary

call all destroyer, Monday, 11 March 2024 23:32 (two months ago) link

i mean theyve been doing it all along points of emphasis the famous no hand checking wasnt a rule change, however messing w stuff in season secretly is pretty different

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 23:37 (two months ago) link

what if the officials decided to do it on their own, theyve been getting pretty bold

lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2024 23:38 (two months ago) link

::rudy gobert money sign:: they all collectively decided to bet unders

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 00:35 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/3X3nXGZ.png

lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 00:42 (two months ago) link

found myself cringing on lowe’s behalf throughout his interview on the pod this week with joe dumars and monty mccutchen, who were lying and stonewalling like a couple of cops… embarrassing for everyone involved honestly

brony james (k3vin k.), Saturday, 16 March 2024 19:58 (one month ago) link

I couldn’t finish it.

Jeff, Saturday, 16 March 2024 20:37 (one month ago) link

I actually think league pass is a net negative for the NBA. Too much access to games has made games carry less weight/meaning. I think if you’re going to have league pass it should be very expensive except for maybe one or two days a week.

— Nate Jones (@JonesOnTheNBA) March 19, 2024

fellas is it gay to watch too much basketball

brony james (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 03:39 (one month ago) link

One of the worst takes I’ve ever seent

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 03:51 (one month ago) link

what in the world

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 03:52 (one month ago) link

That is a bad person.

Jeff, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 10:29 (one month ago) link

its funny how clapping to complain to the refs has become such a thing and they absolutely hate it

lag∞n, Thursday, 21 March 2024 01:39 (one month ago) link

not the sarcastic clapping the emphasis clapping

lag∞n, Thursday, 21 March 2024 01:40 (one month ago) link

end of an era rip where will teams find underperforming draft picks now

G League Ignite is finished after this season, the NBA announced. "The decision to end the program comes amid the changing basketball landscape, including the NCAA’s Name, Image and Likeness (NIL) policy and the advent of collectives and the transfer portal." pic.twitter.com/mJnmtwWPoL

— Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) March 21, 2024

lag∞n, Friday, 22 March 2024 18:16 (one month ago) link

no reason to go ignite if you can get paid six figures to go to kentucky or duke

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 22 March 2024 18:29 (one month ago) link

yup

lag∞n, Friday, 22 March 2024 18:30 (one month ago) link

tim macmahon made a good point on the hoop collective pod today about how the four highly drafted ignite players -- jalen green, kuminga, dyson daniels, and scoot -- were all really raw when they came into the league, as if no development at all had happened between high school and the NBA

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 22 March 2024 18:35 (one month ago) link

yeah its odd

lag∞n, Friday, 22 March 2024 18:43 (one month ago) link

get paid to scrimmage more or less

infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 22 March 2024 18:55 (one month ago) link

pretty bad that the nba was doing a worse job preparing guys for the nba than extremely far from ideal college basketball was

lag∞n, Friday, 22 March 2024 19:03 (one month ago) link

i think it makes sense because you have to consider the draw for coaching talent and idk what great coach is going to take a job w/ the ignite as opposed to any college or NBA team. also just the fact of institutional knowledge, obv there is selection bias w/ i.e. a kentucky or duke in terms of the talent coming in the door but i do think there's prob something to be said for places like that having had a many decade head start in terms of building everything they do around getting kids to the NBA

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:33 (one month ago) link

i think the ignite shouldve been able to do a better job developing guys than college for the reasons of 1. it was their only job college ball theyre trying to win games 2. they have more time college ball has limited practice time by rule 3. theyre nba guys they should be able to teach nba skills 4. college coaches have a lot of dumb ideas about basketball

for instance european soccer basically operates on a g league ignite model for player development, the academies, and they do a great job, think the nba mustve just half assed it not really had a plan

lag∞n, Friday, 22 March 2024 19:42 (one month ago) link

could just be random too tho maybe the ignite guys wouldve been exposed if they played in college and thus gone later in the draft and no one wouldve thought twice about it

lag∞n, Friday, 22 March 2024 19:47 (one month ago) link

there might have been some selection bias at play like the ignite guys weren’t traditional college guys for one reason or another…

brony james (k3vin k.), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:54 (one month ago) link

guys without that dog not out for the college glory not enough ambition to get a booster to pay them more then the ignite

lag∞n, Friday, 22 March 2024 19:55 (one month ago) link

scoot is the most damning case of him being in their system for two years, being hyped up as this super high character, wise beyond his years sage of a PG who had the mentality to change any franchise around and he gets to the NBA and i'm not sure he could've played worse if he had just gone to the league as a 17 year old

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 22 March 2024 21:12 (one month ago) link

for instance european soccer basically operates on a g league ignite model for player development, the academies, and they do a great job, think the nba mustve just half assed it not really had a plan

― lag∞n, Friday, March 22, 2024 3:42 PM (one hour ago)

i think there's just a huge difference between individual franchises doing this as opposed to a centralized league. the NBA doesn't know how to run a successful franchise but man city and real madrid do. you also have kids going into these teams systems as like 8 year olds compared to what ignite was trying to pull off

i also think there's something to be said for individual soccer clubs training their youth prospects in the vision of a specific system -- barcelona's u14 team is taught to play the same style as barcelona's A team and tho that might not be great for kids who can't hack it in that system it does self select for players who can thrive for the pro team. and then as a prospect advances you have a real top class league where he can start to get meaningful playing time as he further develops

i'm gonna lapse into coach speak here which i know lagoon hates but i also think there is an element that matters about playing a team sport, being trained in an environment where there is a shared vision/goal. i think even at the college level w/ the exception of like kentucky even the top schools like kansas and gonzaga are thinking about things like team fit, do we have enough leaders on this team etc. you could prob train a pitcher or hitter in baseball w/o any concept of teammates in mind, not sure that can really be pulled off in basketball. can you really be receiving proper training at point guard if you're heavily incentivized to not care all that much about your teammates' success?

think about the fact that we see teams of hall of famers like bron wade bosh or kawhi PG harden play ugly disjointed awkward losing basketball for 20-30 games after being thrown together in one offseason before figuring it out. that's basically the ignite's whole model: putting random guys together for about 30 games but w/ no shared goal of future success to force them to figure out how to play better basketball

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 22 March 2024 21:23 (one month ago) link

if the heat, spurs, warriors, celtics etc had youth academies where they were training the best teenagers for 5+ years that would prob be amazing for the NBA the problem is you can't do that and have a draft model

lagoon the NBA is doing more what you describe w/ their international academies and i think that's a much better path for them to travel, those places can call getting like 2 or 3 guys just onto NBA rosters as a huge success. they don't need to be meddling w/ top 10 picks

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 22 March 2024 21:27 (one month ago) link

The comparison with european talent-development systems doesn't quite work because europe never had the equivalent of big time college sports, a system that grew and developed for more than a century in the USA.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 22 March 2024 21:36 (one month ago) link

the academy system pointedly focuses on skills over winning games, games are seen as a treat for the players, which i think points to the fact that players want to play and win, winning is very satisfying you dont really need to motivate it, what players dont want to do is work on their floater or eat healthy food which is where a training environment thats not focussed on winning can really help

worth noting that its not just soccer, euro basketball has youth systems too, luka jokic et al went to spain when they were teens and went through the process

usa has a system thats just about winning all the time theres not much incentive to care about the long term success of the players, thats most obvious in aau where kids play so many games that its physically unhealthy

lag∞n, Friday, 22 March 2024 21:38 (one month ago) link

ignite obvs isnt exactly the same as the academy system but the similarities are obvious and i dont think theres any reason why it shouldnt work for the same reasons, who knows what they were up to over there tho

lag∞n, Friday, 22 March 2024 21:40 (one month ago) link

doesnt seem like they were helping scoot with his shot tho

lag∞n, Friday, 22 March 2024 21:43 (one month ago) link

yeah i'd never defend AAU or any of the haphazard organizations that exist in america to try and capitalize on young basketball talent

but i do think that colleges esp the ones whose recruiting pitches depend on their players getting drafted and being successful are more so able to strike a balance where they're training kids w/ their eyes on the pros while also putting them an environment that doesn't solely prioritize the self

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 22 March 2024 21:43 (one month ago) link


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