2019 MVPOLL (and awards predictions/talk)

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who will be the reg season MVP?
DPOY?

discuss such things itt

Poll Results

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Giannis (27-13-6-1.4-1.5 in 33 mpg, 60/24/72, 64 ts, 31.8 usg, 30.2 per, 6.10 rpm, team 46-14) 6
Harden (36-7-8-2.1-0.8 in 37 mpg, 53/36/87, 61 ts, 40.3 usg, 30 per, 7.44 rpm, team 36-25) 2
Jokic (21-11-8-1.4-0.6 in 32 mpg, 56/32/85, 59 ts, 28 usg, 27 per, 6.30 rpm, team 42-18) 2
George (29-8-4-2.3-0.4 in 37 mpg, 49/40/84, 59 ts, 29.6 usg, 24.5 per, 7.85 rpm, team 38-22) 0
Curry (28-5-5-1.3-0.4 in 34 mpg, 55/44/92, 66 ts, 30 usg, 25.4 per, 5.37 rpm, team 43-18) 0
Durant (27.5-7-6-0.8-1.2 in 36 mpg, 57/36/89, 63 ts, 30 usg, 25 per, 5.51 rpm, team 43-18) 0
Other 0


but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Thursday, 28 February 2019 18:16 (two months ago) Permalink

I had thought Harden up til recently and it remains hard to overlook 36+ ppg but I'm thinking Giannis now

extreme dark horse possibility is Kawhi.

omar little, Thursday, 28 February 2019 18:18 (two months ago) Permalink

i think kawhi has no shot cos he sat the whole last season and still sits random games. also his defensive prowess seems to have slipped and he doesnt help his teammates get easy buckets.

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Thursday, 28 February 2019 18:20 (two months ago) Permalink

i see now how many games he's missed!

there is also no narrative around him anyway. i think in the end it will be Giannis/Harden/George.

omar little, Thursday, 28 February 2019 18:22 (two months ago) Permalink

those are the top 3 for sure

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Thursday, 28 February 2019 18:23 (two months ago) Permalink

btw LeBron has had thirteen consecutive top 5 MVP finishes and fifteen consecutive top 10 finishes.

omar little, Thursday, 28 February 2019 18:27 (two months ago) Permalink

Kawhi would be talked about more, if he hadn't alienated most of the voters by his clueless and tone-deaf treatment of the Spurs and their fans for an entire year before the trade to Toronto. He'll need at least another season of rehabilitating his reputation before he gets any consideration at all.

Harden has earned it by being a relentless scoring machine all season. That streak of consecutive unassisted baskets was insane. Giannis, by comparison was just his usual freaky unicorn self, awesome in his own way, but not as consistently reliable as Harden. The Rockets' problems this year all have to do with CP3's injury and Capela's drop-off. Harden has delivered like a mofo.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 28 February 2019 18:31 (two months ago) Permalink

btw i put them in order of how i see it atm

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Thursday, 28 February 2019 18:33 (two months ago) Permalink

harden already got his and the bucks have the best record. giannis has been very consistent!

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Thursday, 28 February 2019 18:39 (two months ago) Permalink

this is a 3-man race between giannis, harden, and paul george, with jokic being in his own tier at 4 imo, and the rest really not being important

harden's been slipping over the past couple of weeks, and has been dowright awful since the all star break, but I think at least some of that has been re-integrating with chris paul, who has been playing better and assuming a larger role in the offense, something the rockets need him to do if they're going to challenge the warriors again in the playoffs. I think this is ultimately unfair, but unless harden goes supernova (again) from here on out, I think the timing of the tear he went on earlier in the year is going to hurt him as much as it'll help him -- people are bored by his greatness and I think let their personal opinions of the aesthetics of his game overshadow just how unstoppable he was, and how utterly crucial that stretch was in not only keeping the rockets afloat but vaulting them from 14th in the west to 5th while paul was out. and the guy is scoring more than anyone in modern NBA history, and doing it without losing one ounce of his usual efficiency. I mean come on

the case for giannis (and, in a way, jokic) is much more straightforward: he's the best player and fulcrum of the best team in the league, (and one that's flying under the radar as statistically one of the strongest regular season teams ever) and doing it while basically putting up prime shaq's shooting numbers in kevin durant's body. by the way, he's hit 31% of his threes in january and now 40% of his threes in february. if this is a sign that, in a season or two, he can be an average 3pt shooter, we're past MVP discussions and might be looking at one of the 5 best players of all time. weirdly, I think he can even improve more on defense too, and he's already a terror

paul george has basically morphed into 80% of kevin durant's offense and 125% of his defense, frankly a shocking leap for a player his age who it seemed like we'd seen everything he had to show us. there's something to be said about the way russ has deferred to him this year, especially late in games, in a way he never even did with KD, but part of that might be russ's own (offensive) decline and maybe billy donovan's coaching. ultimately it's hard to make a case for george when the other major candidates either have better numbers than him or are doing just as much to help their teams, but he's deserving of a top 3 vote

k3vin k., Thursday, 28 February 2019 19:23 (two months ago) Permalink

100 otm. Only really included kd and Steph if they end up with the best record and one of them goes nuts from here on out. Jokic needs a narrative push and a huge finish to the season but even then it’s a big stretch to overcome those three.

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Thursday, 28 February 2019 19:31 (two months ago) Permalink

agreed that giannis/harden/george are your real options. from a marketing perspective, if the bucks end up winning the east (and they likely will), i presume you give it to giannis as a way to stir up some MUST SEE TV vibes. Otherwise, barring a massive collapse, you back-to-back harden. george doesn't have the name recognition with the general public and, in a year with lebron maybe not making the playoffs, i think the NBA won't take the risk.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 28 February 2019 19:54 (two months ago) Permalink

well the NBA doesn’t dictate who wins, and the votes are due at the end of the regular season, not during/after the playoffs

k3vin k., Thursday, 28 February 2019 21:55 (two months ago) Permalink

further reading from amico
https://theathletic.com/843494/

and harper
https://theathletic.com/836876/

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Thursday, 28 February 2019 21:57 (two months ago) Permalink

xp i thought mvp was announced during playoffs, my bad
and yes, votes are from the journalistic community but allow me my tinhat to conflate sportspress with nba in the belief that there's some common goals as far as pulling attention is concerned for both

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 1 March 2019 00:30 (two months ago) Permalink

insofar as "narrative" matters to voters, perhaps. and the award is announced during the playoffs, but is voted on before them

k3vin k., Friday, 1 March 2019 02:43 (two months ago) Permalink

jesus harden, 40% usage rate?

voodoo chili, Friday, 1 March 2019 05:46 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah. you'd think the opposing players would try guarding him, am I right?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 1 March 2019 06:34 (two months ago) Permalink

alright im leaning harden again

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Monday, 4 March 2019 20:20 (two months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Friday, 8 March 2019 00:01 (two months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Saturday, 9 March 2019 00:01 (two months ago) Permalink

good piece

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 14 March 2019 01:23 (two months ago) Permalink

it seems that this is one of the first years in a while that it's tough to find enough worthy players to fill out both the forward and the guard spots

k3vin k., Wednesday, 20 March 2019 17:42 (two months ago) Permalink

giannis gonna win it

lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 17:42 (two months ago) Permalink

PG normalized after his hot streak which he does every year (shooting splits since asb 38/31)
JH also came down to earth a bit, to be expected after he got his squad back and could chill a bit (shooting splits post asb 41/27)

Giannis has increased his 3p% by a whole point post asb and everything else has maintained. Bucks are going to have the best record. It's his.

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 17:51 (two months ago) Permalink

also hes lovable

lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 17:53 (two months ago) Permalink

lmao

lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 17:57 (two months ago) Permalink

ROY is gonna go to Luka BUT the raw stats (and even TS%) have really evened out over the season between he and Trae.
http://bkref.com/tiny/GCdZ2
like it's really close. I would consider a co-ROY thing for real.

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:28 (one month ago) Permalink

its crazy what a big load both of them are carrying @ 20 y/o

lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

trial by fire and so forth, not sure its really the best approach tbh

lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

its fine if you're all in on the star and you want to build from the ground up.

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:01 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah I mean only a certain caliber of player can handle it, I do think luka is a level or two above trae especially projecting forward but trae has been out of his mind since 2019 started

k3vin k., Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Every time people start hyping Trae young I check the stats and he’s still shooting 42/33 on the season. Luka’s just better.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 April 2019 00:54 (one month ago) Permalink

I mean trae’s been nuts and I’m really optimistic about him...but luka will be an MVP candidate in a few years

k3vin k., Thursday, 4 April 2019 01:57 (one month ago) Permalink

luka cld get there but thats a long road

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Luka is also shooting 43/33 Matt

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:17 (one month ago) Permalink

heh

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:18 (one month ago) Permalink

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

you know who deserves sitewide mod privileges? (m bison), Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:21 (one month ago) Permalink

that's just better, last i checked

ciderpress, Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:33 (one month ago) Permalink

lagoon your luka skepticism is funny to me, what is your angle?

k3vin k., Thursday, 4 April 2019 03:18 (one month ago) Permalink

white genocide

you know who deserves sitewide mod privileges? (m bison), Thursday, 4 April 2019 03:19 (one month ago) Permalink

just the most impressive teenager since lebron, can basically do everything, what’s not to love

k3vin k., Thursday, 4 April 2019 03:30 (one month ago) Permalink

its the thing abt being the best teen since lebron its just obvs not true, i cant stand for it

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2019 03:34 (one month ago) Permalink

can u name a better 1

k3vin k., Thursday, 4 April 2019 03:35 (one month ago) Permalink

like in real life teens are usually bad

k3vin k., Thursday, 4 April 2019 03:35 (one month ago) Permalink

ant davis obvs for one just real super clear

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 April 2019 03:36 (one month ago) Permalink

I mean playing devil's advocate is fine but the guy is going to dominate it's v obvious

k3vin k., Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:17 (one month ago) Permalink

i mean consider for a second how his future looks if hes not that good of a shooter, which he has not been for his career


Bro he’s 19

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:58 (one month ago) Permalink

saw gobert play in person last night and it's crazy how good he is at defense, think he had 5 blocks but at least 5-10 more times where dudes didnt even try to get a shot off in there just dribble through the key and kicked it out.

The @utahjazz started a Gobert for DPOY campaign that's inspired by a John Coltrane jazz vinyl record, track listing and all 🎼 pic.twitter.com/IKo1pNrM3m

— NBA on ESPN (@ESPNNBA) April 4, 2019

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Thursday, 4 April 2019 23:48 (one month ago) Permalink

idk why but My One and Only Love (Defense) is cracking me up.
Love watching great big men defenders in person. Camby was incredible.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 5 April 2019 14:49 (one month ago) Permalink

The Bucks reached 60 wins yesterday with a few games yet to play. My hot take is that probably will give Giannis the definite edge in MVP voting. If Harden hadn't won his first MVP already it would be hard to deny him this time, but he's got one on the shelf, so this season Giannis will get his.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:37 (one month ago) Permalink

yes. otm. he's done his homework and expressed his conclusions well.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 02:50 (one month ago) Permalink

"James Harden has no weaknesses on offense. He could thrive within any ecosystem. He is the best offensive player in the league." im sorry but this is dumb

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:36 (one month ago) Permalink

yea i read that back a few times...

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:37 (one month ago) Permalink

"Best and most valuable are almost the same, but not quite." also this

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:37 (one month ago) Permalink

general consensus picks across the board appear to be Giannis for MVP, Doncic for ROY, Budenholzer for coach, Gobert for DPOY, Siakam for MIP and Williams for 6th Man (again).

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:41 (one month ago) Permalink

that will most likely be how it plays out yea

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:42 (one month ago) Permalink

"James Harden has no weaknesses on offense. He could thrive within any ecosystem. He is the best offensive player in the league." im sorry but this is dumb

― lag∞n, Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:36 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

being an unstoppable iso scorer kind of means this is true

k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:49 (one month ago) Permalink

Harden's string of 87 consecutive unassisted baskets was the most insane hoops stat I have ever heard.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:53 (one month ago) Permalink

"James Harden has no weaknesses on offense. He could thrive within any ecosystem. He is the best offensive player in the league." im sorry but this is dumb

― lag∞n, Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:36 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In terms of how basketball is played and officiated in 2019 this is absolutely true.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:09 (one month ago) Permalink

its really not

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:13 (one month ago) Permalink

are you under the impression that there is a better offensive player or

k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:58 (one month ago) Permalink

i mean if offense is just lighting up the magic on a tuesday night or whatever fine give it to harden

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Harden's string of 87 consecutive unassisted baskets was the most insane hoops stat I have ever heard.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:53 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its impressive but also a bad way to play basketball

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:03 (one month ago) Permalink

steph is def in the convo but as far as effort day in day out body of work and so forth this season it’s harden

k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:03 (one month ago) Permalink

the problem with judging day in day out body of work is it just not what the generally agreed upon goal of playing in the nba is, tho tbf it might be hardens goal

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:05 (one month ago) Permalink

impressive but also a bad way to play basketball

that's why I chose my words carefully. it isn't sane to play a team sport like that, yet he makes it work for him at an all-star level of production.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:07 (one month ago) Permalink

its pretty psycho really

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:13 (one month ago) Permalink

like he cld play better basketball that doesnt see him chucking in the playoffs but he chooses not to

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:16 (one month ago) Permalink

if offense is just shooting then give it to Steph, of course. but it's not. Harden is better at creating shots for other guys and insanely better at getting to the line.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Harden is better at creating shots for other guys

this is very false. steph is way better at making his teammates lifes easier and getting them open shots, assist #s dont tell the whole story

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:25 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't think Tucker, Green, and House even know how to dribble anymore but ok.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:31 (one month ago) Permalink

thats bad

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:25 (one month ago) Permalink

harden is a great passer but their whole thing is so screwy

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:27 (one month ago) Permalink

its kinda funny how they almost won the chip last year via D tho

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:28 (one month ago) Permalink

dont think this years team has the defensive talent to pull that off tho, hardens gonna have to hit those stepbacks

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:29 (one month ago) Permalink

or get foul calls in tight games

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:31 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah i think he shd just try to make the shots

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

its why someone like kyrie is more valuable in the offs cos he makes hard shots instead of foul hunting.

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:33 (one month ago) Permalink

harden is perfectly capable of making tough shots tho he maybe just needs to focus on that rather than the foul hunting

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:34 (one month ago) Permalink

his floater game is crazy.

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:51 (one month ago) Permalink

I would disagree about kyrie being more valuable in the offs btw, harden didn’t have the luxury of playing with lebron

also let’s not forget that for all of his struggles they should have won the chip last year and he’s gotten better

k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:06 (one month ago) Permalink

like this step back stuff he’s taken to a whole new level

k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:07 (one month ago) Permalink

hes gonna have to prove it in "the playoffs"

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:08 (one month ago) Permalink

I would disagree about kyrie being more valuable in the offs btw, harden didn’t have the luxury of playing with lebron

also let’s not forget that for all of his struggles they should have won the chip last year and he’s gotten better

― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 10, 2019 2:06 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

should clarify that i dont think kyrie is more valuable than harden in the offs, but that his skillset is more valuable during the offs

but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:11 (one month ago) Permalink

sometimes a player is just that much better though regardless of skillset or else the best nba player would be like otto porter or something

ciderpress, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:14 (one month ago) Permalink

jeff green is the MVO (most valuable in the offs)

k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:22 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

george over jokic for MVP is so cringey

k3vin k., Sunday, 19 May 2019 01:24 (yesterday) Permalink

yeah, shouldnt be a dpoy finalist either imo

micah, Sunday, 19 May 2019 01:50 (yesterday) Permalink

pg was having a legit year but then fell the fuck off as per usual

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 May 2019 04:48 (yesterday) Permalink

prob would've helped had he not torn his rotator cuff

J0rdan S., Sunday, 19 May 2019 16:24 (yesterday) Permalink

true

lag∞n, Sunday, 19 May 2019 16:52 (yesterday) Permalink


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