2018 NBA Awards Predix & MVPoll

i'd prob vote simmons but that's an undersell of mitchell. if he gets to the line a bit more and gets a little more accurate from 3 he's going to be as good at scoring as any guard in the nba outside the top 4 or so.

in general and in conjunction with the point I was making about jokic in the reg season thread earlier we are just not very great at using the eye test to weight different basketball skills in assessing a players overall value, players who get buckets are always going to be overvalued and people who do little things and play defense are always going to be relatively undervalued. I think the eye test happens to support simmons anyway and the stats suggest it's not close but things like he's the leading scorer on a good team that sound so intuitively right are hard to people to shake loose

mitchell def has the potential to be a star, tho tbh simmons is already there and his ceiling seems to be MVP candidate and in the not too distant future, anyway the discussion is about this year and simmons is the better player

creating shots is the single most valuable nba skill u need to put those old musty nerd opinions in storage

I agree it's important but being better at it does not mean the player is necessarily better, hence my point about weighting and how we are bad at it

hitting home runs is the best thing a baseball player can do but it does not necessarily mean that the guy who hits the most home runs is the best player or even the best hitter, makes u think

none of this is to say mitchell hasn't had a sick year, he has, but simmons is way better and we should give the award to the better dude imo

i agree that hes been better and will prob win but i think mitchell has been great and also i think simmons shd be disqualified for redshirting

this breakdown of defensive positional guarding percentages is super cool: https://public.tableau.com/profile/knarsu3#!/vizhome/DefensivePositions/Dashboard1

Check out Ben Simmons

ha yeah pretty evenly distributed as you might expect

lowe's opinions
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23107445/zach-lowe-2017-18-picks-nba-mvp-defensive-player-year-rookie-year-more-awards

hard to argue with any of those picks, tho I’m agnostic on coach of the year

I’m more and more convinced that an MVP vote for lebron is basically indefensible.

lowe’s love of raw plus-minus stats but not adjusted plus-minus stats bugs me tho lol

i'm disinclined to reward any of the coaches that ended up in the 3-8 western conference mess with a CoY vote.

I just don’t think we know enough about coaching value and voting on it is silly

Golliver's pov
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/04/11/2017-18-nba-awards-cavaliers-rockets-lebron-james-harden-ben-simmons

most of these awards are dumb but COY seems the dumbest behind MIP

My defense of a lebron vote would be solely that he is still great and it would be a make up award for some previous years

I wouldn’t actually vote for him though with harden existing this year

Having to completely remake lebrons custom built team around him midstream is also a serious strike against any real mvp candidacy too as lowe goes into extensively

he was prob the worst defender in the league this year

Aw cmon that’s not true

He was the worst defender in the league for like six weeks tops

i understand conserving yr energy but i feel like he cldve balanced it a lil better between offense and defense

he def wasn't the worst, he's about average over 82 games a this point probably tho def very good when he dials it in

dialed it in for prob 10mins this season the rest he took off he was really exceptionally bad, its not a coincidence the cavs were also insanely bad

yeah we are in general agreement that his defense is not great overall

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/sports/nba-dwane-casey-raptors-coach-of-the-year.html

In a vote of his peers, Dwane Casey of the Toronto Raptors has been selected as the National Basketball Coaches Association’s coach of the year for the 2017-18 season — while Brad Stevens of the Boston Celtics stunningly failed to win a single vote from fellow coaches.

Perfect timing

lol i knew it

oh wait thats the peer award still i think the real one will have the same outcome

very weird

2018 NBA All-Defensive teams:

First team: Rudy Gobert, Anthony Davis, Victor Oladipo, Jrue Holiday, Robert Covington.

Second team: Joel Embiid, Draymond Green, Al Horford, Dejounte Murray, Jimmy Butler.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) May 23, 2018

huh, dipo?

heard rumblings of his defense being amazing this year. covington over draymond seems a little suspect to me. but fair enough, he deserves a lot of credit and dray was cruising at 80% all year.

almost surprised roberson didn't make it even tho he only played 35 games or so

dejounte!!!

al shdve been first team

ALL NBA
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd-zN6-VMAAjELY.jpg

Lillard first team O__o

these, wld not be my lists lol

mine wld just be 15 marcus smarts

On the bright side, we don’t have to hear about Dame not getting any respect ever again.

— A.K ⚖️ (@Kungu_NBA) May 24, 2018

don't understand how KAT could make it after the year he's had.

who's out here voting for TREVOR ARIZA for all-nba?