DRAY v KLAY

if basketball=nut kicking dray is HOF

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pretty damn hard to pick imo.

not that hard imo, golden state's roster serves to underrate klay and overrate draymond. put draymond on an average team and ppl would talk about him roughly like how they talk about steven adams.

need to try to remember some of my old logins

imo if you put klay on a bad team he puts up an empty 24-25 ppg. if anyone is a system player it is he. the warriors system works because of drays versatility not the other way around

Klay is one of the best shooters in the league and a serviceable perimeter defender. Dray is a better defender and a worse shooter (significantly) who can do more things on the court tho i think his 3 pt ability is perhaps more significant given his position and who he guards. i think if u put both of them on teams w league avg dudes, klay's team would put up more than wins, and generally speaking i think klay's skillset is more generally valuable so i vote Klay

dray is an all world defender but a far below average scorer and a good playmaker where people think hes great cause hes playing with great players to playmake with

i think he might have a thing for kicking people in the nuts . not sure if that's a pos or a neg tho

draymond has only kicked someone in the nuts once tbf

phil spector only shot someone once too, just gonna put that out there

it true we shd prob refer to drays repeat behavior as nut hunting

exactly

dray is better but that doesn't excuse his nut hunting

put draymond on an average team and ppl would talk about him roughly like how they talk about steven adams.

― call all destroyer, Friday, February 24, 2017 12:04 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark

this is crazy

draymond is no offensive superstar but he has a serviceable three point shot and is one of the best playmaking bigs in the game

klay is elite at one of the most important skills in the NBA but i agree that on a middling team he'd be mostly empty points, gimme dray's all around game and crazy intensity

if anyone is a system player it is he. the warriors system works because of drays versatility not the other way around

― k3vin k., Friday, February 24, 2017 12:08 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark

i agree with this

his playmaking is good but no one wld be talking abt it if he wasnt playing with guys who constantly create the halfcourt fast break, like he cant take advantage of ppl going under on the pnr cause hes not a good enough shooter etc, hed have 4-5 assists a game on a normal team, and lets be clear on his scoring hes shooting 43% and scoring 10 a game in a situation where he gets more open looks than anyone else in the entire nba, hes is bad at doing points

if anyone is a system player it is he. the warriors system works because of drays versatility not the other way around

― k3vin k., Friday, February 24, 2017 12:08 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark

i agree with this

― J0rdan S., Friday, February 24, 2017 1:08 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the warriors shd be given credit for coming up with a great system for their players, the difference between the jackson years and now is lol, but there are a lot of players that cld work in drays spot the system wld just have to shift, which isnt that hard to do when you have the talent they do

there are more players like klay in the NBA than there are like draymond

only a very handful of guys who can shoot like klay, which is the single most valuable basketball skill

and besides basketball isnt decided on scarcity, its decided on being good at basketball

idk we can do the "on a bad team" thing all day, if draymond is on a bad team he's putting up like a 13/8/4 with lousy shooting percentages. he plays great in their system but his teammates are literally the best shooters in the league so i'm not sure how much he's elevating them further.

i think we can all agree that most of his value is on the other side of the ball regardless, hes great at lots of different defensive things

it's true he's one of the best defenders in the NBA

he is insanely good and versatile at D, maybe the most versatile defender since kg?

yeah can't think of too many guys since who were unmovable on the block and also a terror while on the move

his playmaking is good but no one wld be talking abt it if he wasnt playing with guys who constantly create the halfcourt fast break, like he cant take advantage of ppl going under on the pnr cause hes not a good enough shooter etc, hed have 4-5 assists a game on a normal team, and lets be clear on his scoring hes shooting 43% and scoring 10 a game in a situation where he gets more open looks than anyone else in the entire nba, hes is bad at doing points

― lag∞n, Friday, February 24, 2017 1:11 PM (four hours ago)

his usage is like 15% because he plays on the same team as the 2 best offensive players in the NBA, come on

if anyone is a system player it is he. the warriors system works because of drays versatility not the other way around

― k3vin k., Friday, February 24, 2017 12:08 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark

i agree with this

― J0rdan S., Friday, February 24, 2017 1:08 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the warriors shd be given credit for coming up with a great system for their players, the difference between the jackson years and now is lol, but there are a lot of players that cld work in drays spot the system wld just have to shift, which isnt that hard to do when you have the talent they do

― lag∞n, Friday, February 24, 2017 1:13 PM (four hours ago)

omg you might have heard of this thing called the death lineup for which he is the centerpiece

lol he is not

without dray that lineup gives up approximately one million points per possession

well yeah playing 4 on 5 is never gonna work

oh you

lol

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imo if you put klay on a bad team he puts up an empty 24-25 ppg. if anyone is a system player it is he. the warriors system works because of drays versatility not the other way around

I don't think "he would just average 25 ppg" is a strong argument that someone is a system player

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lol

bad results!!

is results the name of your dog?

im with k3vin on this one

it is quite possible that many ilh voters mistakenly believed they were voting for beloved poster me, thus skewing the results

i know i did

i thought i was voting for pottery

I voted for Klay to revolt against the elites

ugh so mad at you

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something for everyone here

“You know what, Steph Curry has took a step back,” Rodman said. “And it’s cool. It’s actually cool because if you see his game now, I always said with that Golden State team, I always say one thing: that one player is the player right there that makes that team. Who is that player?…

“That is right there: Thompson,” Rodman said. “That kid right there is good. If he went to another team, he’d suck. What I’m saying is that Klay Thompson makes that team. Everybody’s always worried about Curry. I know Curry’s dad and all that bulls—. But Klay Thompson makes that team. It ain’t Green, that guy, no. It’s Klay Thompson.”

yeah but those guys didnt build their game around insane switching defense, although west was certainly a very good defender in his day he was never a guard 1-5 type (which is never actually true!) (unless yr kevin garnett)

anyway im not saying that hell be out of the league just that based on his style of play hell prob have a shorter peak than say a great shooter would

theres a good chance weve already seen his peak peak

which to be clear is all-nba level

ive said before he deserved the dpoy, but on the other hand klay is one of the best shooters to ever play and has the fastest release in the whole nba according to the science website 538.com, shooting is considered an important nba skill and to my understanding he does some other stuff decently too

i mean if ive said it once i said it a million times dray needs to be traded to the orlando magic to really settle this, which is also a thing that shd actual happen asap

it wld be good for him too as a person to not have as many great players on his team to gloat over

no

who says no

https://i.imgur.com/xaGJdFc.png

klay was really incredibly impressive in the finals. his defense was crazy. i still think draymond is better.

Draymond Green spoke passionately about this at shootaround this morning. pic.twitter.com/Xxb1zmjJV0

— Kerith Burke (@KerithBurke) October 27, 2017

Here's everything Draymond Green had to say about the Bob McNair comment: Instagram post and shootaround answers pic.twitter.com/iaHYeELUg5

— Anthony Slater (@anthonyVslater) October 27, 2017

odd but perhaps very canny that dray is focused on the "paying my taxes" line of argument, know your audience

yeah def

dray is awesome

"Wow! This sure does sound Donald Sterling-esque!" love this guy

"For starters, let's stop using the word owner and maybe use the word Chairman. To be owned by someone just sets a bad precedent to start. It sets the wrong tone. It gives one the wrong mindset." keep going dray, so close to the logical conclusion of the players coop league

yup

Have definitely felt weird about team "owners" as a phrase

100% makes sense in terms of "owns the business dba Sacramento kings and personally pays salaries" and much less in terms of players

Would be like saying yeah I took a contract programming for google, Larry and Sergei are my owners

Before even getting to the obv racial overtones drays on that

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNM-lmmVQAAX_nO.jpg

insane picture

also funny cos they got in a fight not long after

lol dray is such a compulsive line crosser, which is fine, but then he complains abt being targeted cmon http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/10/30/warriors-draymond-green-takes-issue-with-fine-for-fight-with-beal/

i see no lies

i am thinking about getting one of these silly bootleg dray flexing shirts...

http://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/1464740-draymond-green-and-one?feed_sku=1464740D1V19G79A44C21S

http://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/1458778-green-defense-two?feed_sku=1458778D1V19G79A44C22S

prefer the AND ONE version

literally heard fitz' voice when i looked at that one

haha

sending one to lagoon for christmas :)

would pitch in

:|

Oh my god how did I forget about this!!! When Draymond scored his first ever NBA field goal he immediately got a technical for taunting. pic.twitter.com/YR2YUFDH76

— GoGSWs (@GoGSWs) August 23, 2018

GOAT

^^^

these chinese klay illustrations are incredible:
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https://i.imgur.com/SCuDVr2.jpg

Klay Thompson is known as “The Electrician” in China, a nickname that – with the backing of his shoe company, Anta – has caught on in recent weeks in a country where the usually mild-mannered All-Star has embraced a different, bathing-in-a-tub-of-gold-sneakers persona. Thompson has begun to embrace the blue-collar moniker, which he earned because of his ability to energize an arena with his timely, titillating shotmaking

Klay Thompson. Not a fan of the ponytail. pic.twitter.com/HJ2w3ajfBy

— Jim Park (@Sheridanblog) November 14, 2018

lol

the tables have turned klay is better now

what IF klay was always better?

he was not but he might be now but he might not be later stay tuned to this space

Klay was always better.

he won the popular vote in a landslide the people have spoken

One of the great Dray stories pic.twitter.com/IQiRNZomZn

— warriorsworld (@warriorsworld) December 6, 2018

hahaha what a psycho i love him

lol then he denounced him

lmao

denounced renounced whatever

You good, Klay? 😂 pic.twitter.com/z3rLfYetGB

— NBA on TNT (@NBAonTNT) December 15, 2018

Omg I died

Draymond Green on his attitude on the court "I realized I had gotten to a point where I was doing more crying than playing. I’m sure it was disgusting to watch because I felt disgusting playing that way." pic.twitter.com/3cTYPT714e

— Chris Montano (@gswchris) May 19, 2019

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzYsSyhAuYe/

As for the thread question, I think GS answered: Klay.