golden state warriors thread

light years ahead not looking so hot these days

turns out it was more like five years

definition of light year really up in the air, one for the poets and philosophers really

could be it was lite years, the kind with only three months

Leap years.

Whatever, 4 in 7 while going to the finals 6 times is light years ahead of any team since the Bulls/Showtime Lakers. Going to be hard to match that with the new cap rules moving forward. Someone is going to need to give up a bag. Like the Celtics might run it back but their window won't be open for much longer after they pay Tatum unless they want to live in the 2nd apron!

My optimism is definitely a bit of cope, but I still believe the dubs got some more potential magic left.

Whatever, 4 in 7 while going to the finals 6 times is light years ahead of any team since the Bulls/Showtime Lakers.

whither tim duncan

its true were unlikely to see a run like that again anytime soon, tho a run like that is rare at any time, suspect the celtics will be happy to wear the aprons as long as theyre contending but they do make it hard to add the talent you need to keep rolling

Tiny did 5 in well over a decade (99-2014). The density of years in which the Warriors contended is unmatched since the 90s

Timmy! Lol

tiny duncan

hold me closer tiny duncan

lol

Tiny did 5 in well over a decade (99-2014). The density of years in which the Warriors contended is unmatched since the 90s

― octobeard, Saturday, June 22, 2024 8:25 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

spurs won 4 titles in 8 years! thats pretty close to the 4 titles in 7 years mark, closer than the warriors are to the 90s bulls. and then for shits and giggles they won another one when they were old as fuck which the warriors will not do.

If Kuminga (or Wiseman, sad lol) had become Kawhi then they’d still be contending and the Spurs would actually be a great analog. Alas

yeah not sure what caliber star you could reasonably expect to get for kaminga and/or moody, but not sure what picks gs has to offer tbh

think theyve got all their own firsts besides this years

suspect a lot of teams would be happy to add kuminga hes not a star but he is a young big wing who can play pretty good

two firsts and kumniga could get you an allstar level player prob

spurs won 4 titles in 8

Sure, but the Warriors went to 6 finals in 8 years (not 7, my bad), going to 5 in a row. Spurs did have to contend with another dynasty at the time, the Kobe/Shaq Lakers. The Warriors Western Conference domination, the more talented conference at the time too, is what I'm referring to and something the Spurs did not equivalently achieve at that level. Not to say they aren't an amazing dynasty, one I'd put above the Warriors, but the sustained success from '15-'22 is ridiculous, and not accomplished since the Bulls/Showtime.

your back must be killing you after moving those goalposts, take a breather friend!!

lol

two firsts and kumniga could get you an allstar level player prob

possible they haven't given Klay an offer yet because they're prioritizing exploring possibilities like this and won't know what they can afford to offer him til that's settled.

Either trade Kuminga or extend him now, I think. No point in letting him become a free agent next year.

xp eh I keep making the same point! Just conceding more specificity to it lol.

Either way, I'm just feeling very generous towards my guys. Probably because my baseball bois are constantly shitting themselves every other day and the GOAT just passed away

It is amusing Celtics fans are jumping on this thread after their win - don't y'all have some more parading and celebratory drinking to do?

mods please change thread title to golden state warriors thread for delusional warriors fans only

who could the warriors get in a trade garland ingram dejounte pg?

SI:

In a recent report from The Athletic's Anthony Slater, it was revealed that Golden State is actively seeking larger-scale upgrades using Chris Paul's expiring $30M salary that becomes fully-guaranteed on June 28th.

"They’ve been actively searching for paths to larger-scale upgrades, using Chris Paul’s non-guaranteed $30 million contract as a flexible tool," Slater wrote. "There’s been talk with Paul about possibly pushing that guarantee date back from June 28 into July, if necessary, per league sources, which would only be telling Thompson to wait longer."

Slater added that Golden State is also not expected to waive veteran center Kevon Looney, despite speculation suggesting otherwise, as his $8M salary could also be used to help facilitate a trade. As Slater indicated, Golden State is clearly preparing to make a significant trade, but it remains to be seen what type of return they are after, and who would be willing to part with such a return.

Dejounte only makes 25 mil, so they wouldn't need CP and Looney's deals to do that one. Ingram, Garland, and Jimmy Butler seem like plausible targets to me.

searching for paths to larger-scale upgrades

Podz had higher win shares and the same VORP as Klay. Both played at least 74 games. VORP is a counting stat so Podz was technically better. Podz defense and BBIQ on court were better than Klay's most of the year just with the eye test. Podz was a defensive positive, Klay a liability (looking at DBPM, but is consistent with my visual memory too). Podz had way more rebounds and assits than Klay. He was the better all around impact player on the court. Podz was also a rookie, mind you, and was first team All Rookie! You have nostalgia goggles on. Podz is by far the best talent value on the entire roster (outside maybe Steph).

― octobeard, Friday, June 21, 2024 8:18 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Shooting ain't everything, and there's more people who can replace Klay's numbers than Podz' overall impact. Dude's a baller.

― octobeard, Friday, June 21, 2024 8:20 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Oh yeah Klay had a 117 turnovers to Podz 88 and Podz led the league in getting charge calls. I mean... that's INSANE. It was Podz and Jalen Brunsen leading the league in drawn charges and everyone else was a distant third. Again.... rookie!

― octobeard, Friday, June 21, 2024 8:25 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

podz had a good rookie year and did a lot of things well but his defense was not that good! taking charges is cool and it means he has good instincts but klay is a better defender even in his declined state. maybe podz defensive stats look better cos he's a really good rebounder?

ownership thinks theyre cooked hence making getting under the lux tax their priority

― lag∞n, Saturday, June 22, 2024 11:30 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

ownership thought they were cooked in 2022. the core won despite it. they are more cooked now but if they got a 2022 wiggins theyd be in a fine spot. him turning into the worst version of his worst self since then has really hurt them, more than anything else imo.

Nah lagoon otm, trading Steph asap would be a good idea imo. Also everyone else on the team.

― brimstead, Saturday, June 22, 2024 11:45 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

ouch! im not ready. i'd still rather watch these guys play then bottoming out. also not sure i trust management to make the right moves back to relevancy.

two firsts and kumniga could get you an allstar level player prob

― lag∞n, Saturday, June 22, 2024 7:18 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

they have the cp3 and wiggins contracts to move and kuminga/picks for positive return. i do think adding (the right) all star level player could put them back in the mix. Klay i want back but only at the right price and completely buying into his new role. if he's feeling slighted then they may not be able to save it and need to move on. def interested to see what managament decides, they say they want to duck the tax but party of me just thinks joey lightyears is posturing.

klay is a better defender even in his declined state

Watching the games last year certainly revealed to me Podz was a better defender. And the stats backed that conclusion up! Show me any stats that prove otherwise. I highlighted above that advanced stats show Podz as a better defender and he had far more rebounds and even more steals per game than Klay. Your proclamation here is not actually based in the real world, but nostalgia and pre-injury Klay. Those rosy memories are clouding a lot of opinions right now, it's insane.

I think a lot of people (outside the NBA) are simultaneously overestimating Klay and underestimating what the Dubs got in Podz.

I think they also want to duck the tax to avoid the repeat offender penalties iirc. Who knows what happens in the next few weeks but it'll definitely be interesting!

I'm not sure there's a team that values Wigs enough to want to pay him $30 m in 26-27.

2022 wiggins was a different guy than andrew wiggins, suspect youll not see him again

the thing about podz and klay is you can reasonably expect podz to get better and klay to get worse

absolutely i just dont think he was more valuable than klay last year. for me its not nostalgia with klay, he's like half of what he was when he got hurt in 2019. but i just think on the whole, klay was more valuable last year, based on nothing more than watching the games. podz hit the rookie wall right when klay was figuring out his new role like jan-march. didnt mean to make this a one or the other thing. love podz, love klay hopef he's back for nostalgia sake and cos he's still a useful player.

one hold up i have is i have a hard time believing a steph/podz backcourt is sustainable. when podz lost his confidence for a while there the spacing was rough for steph. and they are both short and can get picked on. steph had his worst defensive season i think ever last year.

2022 wiggins was a different guy than andrew wiggins, suspect youll not see him again

― lag∞n, Monday, June 24, 2024 12:00 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

he shows up for about 1 week every 2 months now.

Where are you guys on Moody? Can he fill the Klay role? I don't really see it.

Payton can't stay healthy but I like him when he's out there. He has major limitations even then.

Even if they get Superstar X they still need another key rotation guy imo.

https://i.imgur.com/ZktIHiM.png

Even if they get Superstar X they still need another key rotation guy imo.

The depth might get decimated by the trade tho so you may be right.

I love GP he’s great as a situational guy but the injuries are killer

podz hit the rookie wall right when klay was figuring out his new role like jan-march

What wall? Looking at the monthly splits for Podz, he was consistent all year, and in April he ended on his best month offensively with a .637 TS%. Granted Klay also had his best month in April too, but why don't you rewatch that play in game! BTW in that game, Podz had the best +/- of any player who played more than 20 minutes and outplayed Klay both offensively (not hard to do) and defensively.

Podz will only get better and stronger, likely earning a starting lineup spot depending on how the off season pans out. Klay's not much more than an off the bench spot up shooter now, and that role can be more easily replaced. Highly unlikely you're going to get more out of Klay than Podz the next 2-3 years.

The thing that peeves me with Klay much more than performance however was his attitude last year. He came off as near toxic with his body language, and his poor performances would compound during a game. His lack of grace during the last couple seasons has been a terrible vibe to watch and it's soured me a bit on him too.

All that to say, I would love to see Klay back! At the right price, with the right role, and him openly and humbly understanding where he's at in his career and being a complete team player. He also needs to get out of his head. I don't have confidence he'll be that team player given what I've seen from him lately. It sucks.

damn we got a dubs civil war on our hands

this is what it sounds like when dubs fight

Hey, let's not have it come to blows! Ha

I think part of the issue here is that Klay still had insane offensive moments last year at times and the value Podz brings is more akin to Draymond, less "sexy" or obvious since he isn't a points first guy, but all hustle and BBIQ. It's really easy to be seduced by the former and overlook the latter. Fortunately I'm pretty confident the coaching staff and FO see what I see.

Podz will only get better and stronger, likely earning a starting lineup spot depending on how the off season pans out. Klay's not much more than an off the bench spot up shooter now, and that role can be more easily replaced. Highly unlikely you're going to get more out of Klay than Podz the next 2-3 years.

i dont disagree but that wasnt the argument. i still worry about a curry/podz starting back court tho. i didnt love what i saw once klay moved the bench (which is when podz hit a wall imo).

Granted Klay also had his best month in April too, but why don't you rewatch that play in game! BTW in that game, Podz had the best +/- of any player who played more than 20 minutes and outplayed Klay both offensively (not hard to do) and defensively.

its true klay had his worst game of the season in the play-in (and worst series vs the lakers the year before). i dont need to rewatch it thx. two years in a row of being at his worst when they need his best was v painful and probably the biggest knock on him. they def need a true 2nd option so a cold klay night doesnt handcuff them. would be awesome if podz turns into a bigger scoring threat to help too.

The thing that peeves me with Klay much more than performance however was his attitude last year. He came off as near toxic with his body language, and his poor performances would compound during a game. His lack of grace during the last couple seasons has been a terrible vibe to watch and it's soured me a bit on him too.

― octobeard, Monday, June 24, 2024 2:44 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

think the fanbase needs/needed to give him some more grace. not an easy thing to confront your decline and everything it entails (especially after being robbed of 2.5 seasons of his prime)... we cant expect every pro to be tim duncan with how they react to it. it took him some time but he figured it out, i was fascinated by it last year and even found him to be pretty relatable in his frustrations. I think he earned the time they gave him... on the other hand andrew wiggins did not earn the rope they gave him and his issues compounded klays. if klay comes back i think he'll be a better vet/pro about it all.

I think part of the issue here is that Klay still had insane offensive moments last year at times and the value Podz brings is more akin to Draymond, less "sexy" or obvious since he isn't a points first guy, but all hustle and BBIQ. It's really easy to be seduced by the former and overlook the latter. Fortunately I'm pretty confident the coaching staff and FO see what I see.

podz is a baller! im not being seduced by anything lol.