NBA State of Play – Rule Changes – Trends – CBA – Schedule Reform – Load Mgmt – etc

thinking about these new resting policies and theyre enacted by the league (the owners) to change the behavior of the coaches who the owners employ lol

tho i think the whole thing despite what the league is saying demonstrates the effectiveness of load management, if an owner let it be known that he didnt want his team doing load management then the teams that were doing load management would have a competitive advantage, however if the whole league is prevented from doing it by rule no one gains an advantage

of course the new rules dont prevent it they just try to schedule it so it has the least bad impact on the quality of the games, which is good imo, still think itd be way better to address the root issue and player fewer games, but whatre you gonna do the owners are a bunch of bean counters

throw the book at these fucks

Joel Embiid 29:25 12 22 54.5 2 4 50.0 9 12 75.0 5 10 15 7 2 6 3 3 35 28

there has to be, in 2023, a better option for when the shot clocks go out than rolling the replacements out onto the baseline and leaving them there where none of the players can see them

How on earth did Golden State get TJD at Pick 57? Is what they did even legal? — David H.

Jackson-Davis’ agent had an inkling that the Warriors would give him a multiyear deal and that TJD would have a shot at some minutes with the Warriors. So if teams picking ahead of 57 weren’t going to give TJD a multiyear deal, they were told to pass. Which got him to the Warriors.

TJD’s agent? James Dunleavy, brother of the Warriors GM.

Reminds me of the Brunson Knicks situation, I'm guessing the draft doesn't have rules against tampering that are as strict as FA?

Nice

As part of meeting today with general managers, the NBA discussed possibility of extending Draft format to two days beginning as soon as 2024, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 8, 2023

i assume they would break out the lottery picks only to day 1.

I'm guessing the draft doesn't have rules against tampering that are as strict as FA?

― Kira Nerys Witherspoon (Leee), Tuesday, November 7, 2023 10:26 PM (yesterday)

i listened to someone talk about the jackson-davis thing after the draft... i wanna say tjarks or sam vecenie or someone like that. my recollection is the person was saying that kinda back end maneuvering in the draft is pretty common & not really frowned upon by teams. basically luxury tax teams are incentivized to take second round picks and give them multiyear deals in order to spread the cap hit out over multiple years, and so agents try and get clients to those teams and to those contracts, but it doesn't seem like any team cares enough about back of the second round picks to fight the agents. i think specifically w/ TJD the pacers maybe were going to draft him two picks ahead of GSW but were asked to let him fall so he could take the multi year deal w/ GSW. i just think those kinda players are usually so insignificant to the grand scheme of the league that no team is gonna be like "well no fuck you. you're the 55th pick and you're gonna like it!"

also i don't think tampering exists at all when it comes to the draft bcuz the players involved are not part of the NBA yet. for instance we hear often about teams (OKC) telling players they're going to pick them at x pick and to not work out for any other teams. i think promises in particular are pretty common w/ euro picks? in order to get guys to stay in the draft. i'm sure there's some lines that can't be crossed between teams and such but the concept of "tampering" in the sense of communicating w/ players and all that i don't think exists w/ the draft

ok this really is not necessary. like are they gonna re-air the first round on the second day? because…
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, November 8, 2023 3:44 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i assume they would break out the lottery picks only to day 1.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, November 8, 2023 3:51 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh god they want to make the whole thing into the terrible human interest shit they aired on abc this year, a lil half an hour inspirational movie about each player with nothing about basketball in it

literally cannot fathom a market for a day 2 of the NBA draft even if half the first round picks were pushed off to that

yeah thats a tough sell, they want what the nfl has

I can never make it through the second round, always fall asleep.

wow guess the g league is doing this

Under the new experimental NBA G League rule, one free throw worth one, two or three points will be awarded in the event of any foul that would typically result in one, two or three free throws being shot under standard NBA rules. The experimental free throw rule will not apply during the last two minutes of the fourth quarter or the entirety of any overtime period.

I still say implement my idea from over a decade ago: during free throw dead time ban high fives, the paint is lava

There is way too much hand touching in the NBA. Imagine if it was expected that you had to touch your coworkers that much.

foul shots are mini timeouts, the players will never give this time up

re the in-season tournament maybe somebody’s mentioned this before but if so i haven’t seen it: this juices the money put into gambling, right? more outcomes to gamble on?

is that an incredibly naive question? i refuse to lift a finger to find out on my own obv

I mean I’m sure that was brought up in the meetings, idk if it’s really a big deal either way tho

having point differential goals might be of interest to gamblers who normally care about over/under i guess

Not naive at all. For a significant number of sports fans the ability to place bets is what makes the games worth watching and gives them a powerful incentive to follow their favorite teams and the league in general more closely. If the NBA increases the ways gamblers can bet on teams and games it will probably have a net positive effect on league revenues that the league can measure in terms of ratings.

from what i've gathered the priorities for the IST are 1) increase general interest in the regular season and 2) have a distinct product that could be sold as a package to a network or streaming service.

yeah i think cad has it right. long term i’m sure they are thinking about the gambling element (the tournament ends in vegas after all) but the owners & players both stand to make a lot more money in the next half decade based off the amount they can generate for the broadcast rights

[Mazzulla] said that when his father, Dan, played professionally in Chile, his team once played a two-game series that would be decided by aggregate point total. His father’s team needed to win by six and was up by two in the final seconds, so it scored on its own basket to force overtime, when a six-point win would become possible.

haa

wrapping a guy up should be a flagrant imo its not a basketball play encourage the players to play basketball imo

ok mr cop man sir

wow i guess loving the beautiful game makes you police now ok

hug fouls *are* beautiful, its saying 'i luv u 2 much 2 hurt u rn, but i cant let u do this (score on me)'

no hugging, only hoop

hug fouls *are* beautiful

otm they so much better than the old-fashioned hard-hack fouling that players indulged in, in the same situations

its possible to do neither

ah! you're calling for matador defense on drives during close games! that's not the beautiful game that I know.

im calling for playing defense

how many hug fouls do you see being taken when a defensive player is in position to get a clean block? hug fouls are just intentional fouls that don't hurt anyone and are taken because the defensive player knows he can't stop a score any other way.

yeah exactly if you cant stop a score by playing basketball then the guy should be allowed to score, if you take a hard foul its a flagrant, and if you hug up is should be a flagrant, because its not a basketball play

same logic as penalizing the take foul

flagrants involve excessive force, which is more than just 'a hard common foul'. those happen in every game. the reasoning behind flagrants is to avoid injuries. i'd predict an increase in garden variety hard fouls if wrap-ups are punished like flagrants. because players will still do whatever is the most strategic response to prevent a sure score in a close game. if you start asking refs to determine if a common foul taken during a drive was intentional or not you'll start down a road nobody wants to see. but that's the same logic as penalizing the 'take' foul.

how does penalizing wrap ups have anything to do with whether a common foul is intentional or not lol

i'll spell it out.

flagrants have a separate function having nothing to do with intention and everything to do with penalizing actions that cause injuries.

take fouls have nothing to do with avoiding injury and everything to do with 'a clear path' to a score.

hug fouls never occur when there is a genuinely clear path because they happen too close to the hoop and a defender is in their path. they do not use excessive force. therefore they are simply a common foul, but intentional. the only thing you want to punish is the intentionality of it. you apparently believe that it's the intention to foul to prevent a score that deserves harsher penalties. nothing else.

so, you aren't really following the logic of the take foul, but a new logic that says when a defender intentionally fouls for the purpose of preventing a layup or dunk then that should be treated as a flagrant. ofc, that intention is obvious with a wrap-up foul, but the logic requires penalizing the intention, not the means used. if you only apply that logic to wrap-ups, you're only inviting defenders to commit more dangerous fouls, as close to edge of flagrant as they dare.

just make a play on the ball without endangering anyone its not that complicated, play basketball not the foul game, and hug fouls as they with from now on be know are done primarily to prevent the and 1, obviously

legalize fouls imo

the nba has been good about getting more basketball in basketball games, via rules around flagrant fouls, the hack-a, take fouls, having fewer timeouts, and now they simply must eliminate the hugging foul, if you cant stop a lebron and 1 without hugging or hurting him then the man should get his and 1

or just let him dunk, thats the defenders prerogative

if you cant stop a lebron and 1 without hugging or hurting him then the man should get his and 1

During most of the game defenders will not foul intentionally, because it isn't strategic. For at least the first three and a half quarters there's plenty of game left, more shots to take and good defense to play to win the game. But when the game is very close and nearly over there will always be intentional fouls. Logic dictates that a dunk is a much easier, more certain way to score two points than taking two free throws, so you stop the dunk and dgif about fouling.

I guess you could up the ante for fouls in the last two minutes even further than currently, but that would have to apply to every foul in order to make sense, not just hug-fouls. Otherwise you're just back to penalizing intention differently and making the refs figure it out. Or else you are penalizing hugging differently because it 'looks bad'.

you could just eliminate hug fouls

so I guess 'looks bad' is a good enough reason for you. but it won't change anything of substance

hugging up is substantially different than other intentional fouls the whole point of it is to eliminate continuation, and it looks bad, but thats why it looks bad

if you eliminate dangerously hard fouls which has already happened, and you eliminate hugging fouls which which lord willing will happen, then even intentional fouls have continuation, and were playing basketball, as god intended

the take foul rule and the refs' implementation of it is far from perfect but it's so much better to have it on the books than not. you could definitely do the exact same as the hug foul as far as penalizing it with free throws + retaining possession.