NBA State of Play – Rule Changes – Trends – CBA – Schedule Reform – Load Mgmt – etc

apparently its made an all star or all nba team within last 3 seasons

Shit I don’t qualify.

was on a long drive yesterday listening to NBA podcasts of course and started thinking about load management ideas…what if there were a minutes restriction for players who’d missed the previous game? like say kawhi sits out a tuesday night game against the wizards. well now he can only play in one half of the next game. it would take some incentive out of sitting if you can’t be fully helpful to your team the next game…while of course being injury friendly…if you just missed a game due to “injury” you should probably be taking it easy the next time around

so you punish a team who’s depriving their fans by depriving them some more hmm

incentives baby. and player safety!

Just make it so that when you miss a game you’re out for the season and someone else takes your spot, and so on.

next man up

Let the load management begin!

Steph Curry and Jonathan Kuminga are both questionable for the Warriors tomorrow in Houston. Left foot soreness for both. Curry was icing his left foot last night postgame. Warriors had a light workout in Sacramento today. Only young guys and Draymond Green.

— Anthony Slater (@anthonyVslater) October 28, 2023

just looked up the new rules not sure theyve been posted here, they actually allow for a lot of resting, pretty reasonable really

1. No more than one star player is unavailable for the same game. Star is defined as a player who has been an All-Star or on an All-NBA team in any of the previous three seasons

2. Teams must ensure that star players are available for national TV and in-season tournament games.

3. Teams must maintain a balance between the number of one-game absences for a star player in home games and road games -- with a preference for those absences to happen in home games.

4. Teams must refrain from any long-term shutdown -- or near shutdown -- when a star player stops participating in games or plays in a materially reduced role in circumstances affecting the integrity of the game.

5. Teams must ensure that healthy players resting for a game are present and visible to fans.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38386013/how-nba-new-rules-resting-stars-work

honestly I love my idea make it so commish

throw the book at these fucks

https://x.com/pompeyonsixers/status/1718684992925044833?s=46&t=XlsbhgknQH65_CH00_uPqw

thinking about these new resting policies and theyre enacted by the league (the owners) to change the behavior of the coaches who the owners employ lol

tho i think the whole thing despite what the league is saying demonstrates the effectiveness of load management, if an owner let it be known that he didnt want his team doing load management then the teams that were doing load management would have a competitive advantage, however if the whole league is prevented from doing it by rule no one gains an advantage

of course the new rules dont prevent it they just try to schedule it so it has the least bad impact on the quality of the games, which is good imo, still think itd be way better to address the root issue and player fewer games, but whatre you gonna do the owners are a bunch of bean counters

throw the book at these fucks

Joel Embiid 29:25 12 22 54.5 2 4 50.0 9 12 75.0 5 10 15 7 2 6 3 3 35 28

there has to be, in 2023, a better option for when the shot clocks go out than rolling the replacements out onto the baseline and leaving them there where none of the players can see them

How on earth did Golden State get TJD at Pick 57? Is what they did even legal? — David H.

Jackson-Davis’ agent had an inkling that the Warriors would give him a multiyear deal and that TJD would have a shot at some minutes with the Warriors. So if teams picking ahead of 57 weren’t going to give TJD a multiyear deal, they were told to pass. Which got him to the Warriors.

TJD’s agent? James Dunleavy, brother of the Warriors GM.

Reminds me of the Brunson Knicks situation, I'm guessing the draft doesn't have rules against tampering that are as strict as FA?

Nice

As part of meeting today with general managers, the NBA discussed possibility of extending Draft format to two days beginning as soon as 2024, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 8, 2023

i assume they would break out the lottery picks only to day 1.

I'm guessing the draft doesn't have rules against tampering that are as strict as FA?

― Kira Nerys Witherspoon (Leee), Tuesday, November 7, 2023 10:26 PM (yesterday)

i listened to someone talk about the jackson-davis thing after the draft... i wanna say tjarks or sam vecenie or someone like that. my recollection is the person was saying that kinda back end maneuvering in the draft is pretty common & not really frowned upon by teams. basically luxury tax teams are incentivized to take second round picks and give them multiyear deals in order to spread the cap hit out over multiple years, and so agents try and get clients to those teams and to those contracts, but it doesn't seem like any team cares enough about back of the second round picks to fight the agents. i think specifically w/ TJD the pacers maybe were going to draft him two picks ahead of GSW but were asked to let him fall so he could take the multi year deal w/ GSW. i just think those kinda players are usually so insignificant to the grand scheme of the league that no team is gonna be like "well no fuck you. you're the 55th pick and you're gonna like it!"

also i don't think tampering exists at all when it comes to the draft bcuz the players involved are not part of the NBA yet. for instance we hear often about teams (OKC) telling players they're going to pick them at x pick and to not work out for any other teams. i think promises in particular are pretty common w/ euro picks? in order to get guys to stay in the draft. i'm sure there's some lines that can't be crossed between teams and such but the concept of "tampering" in the sense of communicating w/ players and all that i don't think exists w/ the draft

ok this really is not necessary. like are they gonna re-air the first round on the second day? because…
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, November 8, 2023 3:44 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i assume they would break out the lottery picks only to day 1.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, November 8, 2023 3:51 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh god they want to make the whole thing into the terrible human interest shit they aired on abc this year, a lil half an hour inspirational movie about each player with nothing about basketball in it

literally cannot fathom a market for a day 2 of the NBA draft even if half the first round picks were pushed off to that

yeah thats a tough sell, they want what the nfl has

I can never make it through the second round, always fall asleep.

wow guess the g league is doing this

Under the new experimental NBA G League rule, one free throw worth one, two or three points will be awarded in the event of any foul that would typically result in one, two or three free throws being shot under standard NBA rules. The experimental free throw rule will not apply during the last two minutes of the fourth quarter or the entirety of any overtime period.

I still say implement my idea from over a decade ago: during free throw dead time ban high fives, the paint is lava

There is way too much hand touching in the NBA. Imagine if it was expected that you had to touch your coworkers that much.

foul shots are mini timeouts, the players will never give this time up

re the in-season tournament maybe somebody’s mentioned this before but if so i haven’t seen it: this juices the money put into gambling, right? more outcomes to gamble on?

is that an incredibly naive question? i refuse to lift a finger to find out on my own obv

I mean I’m sure that was brought up in the meetings, idk if it’s really a big deal either way tho

having point differential goals might be of interest to gamblers who normally care about over/under i guess

Not naive at all. For a significant number of sports fans the ability to place bets is what makes the games worth watching and gives them a powerful incentive to follow their favorite teams and the league in general more closely. If the NBA increases the ways gamblers can bet on teams and games it will probably have a net positive effect on league revenues that the league can measure in terms of ratings.

from what i've gathered the priorities for the IST are 1) increase general interest in the regular season and 2) have a distinct product that could be sold as a package to a network or streaming service.

yeah i think cad has it right. long term i’m sure they are thinking about the gambling element (the tournament ends in vegas after all) but the owners & players both stand to make a lot more money in the next half decade based off the amount they can generate for the broadcast rights

[Mazzulla] said that when his father, Dan, played professionally in Chile, his team once played a two-game series that would be decided by aggregate point total. His father’s team needed to win by six and was up by two in the final seconds, so it scored on its own basket to force overtime, when a six-point win would become possible.

haa

wrapping a guy up should be a flagrant imo its not a basketball play encourage the players to play basketball imo

ok mr cop man sir

wow i guess loving the beautiful game makes you police now ok

hug fouls *are* beautiful, its saying 'i luv u 2 much 2 hurt u rn, but i cant let u do this (score on me)'

no hugging, only hoop

hug fouls *are* beautiful

otm they so much better than the old-fashioned hard-hack fouling that players indulged in, in the same situations

its possible to do neither

ah! you're calling for matador defense on drives during close games! that's not the beautiful game that I know.

im calling for playing defense

how many hug fouls do you see being taken when a defensive player is in position to get a clean block? hug fouls are just intentional fouls that don't hurt anyone and are taken because the defensive player knows he can't stop a score any other way.

yeah exactly if you cant stop a score by playing basketball then the guy should be allowed to score, if you take a hard foul its a flagrant, and if you hug up is should be a flagrant, because its not a basketball play

same logic as penalizing the take foul

flagrants involve excessive force, which is more than just 'a hard common foul'. those happen in every game. the reasoning behind flagrants is to avoid injuries. i'd predict an increase in garden variety hard fouls if wrap-ups are punished like flagrants. because players will still do whatever is the most strategic response to prevent a sure score in a close game. if you start asking refs to determine if a common foul taken during a drive was intentional or not you'll start down a road nobody wants to see. but that's the same logic as penalizing the 'take' foul.

how does penalizing wrap ups have anything to do with whether a common foul is intentional or not lol