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i can’t remember if we have an espn+ mole anymore but if anyone had the ability to c/p k3vin p3lt0n’s breakdown on this trade i will tip my hat to you

J0rdan S., Sunday, 18 June 2023 23:11 (eleven months ago) link

don't know why I get espn+ but I gotcha

symsymsym, Sunday, 18 June 2023 23:38 (eleven months ago) link

PRE-DRAFT DEALS
June 18: Suns land Bradley Beal to form Big Three in Phoenix
Phoenix Suns get:
Bradley Beal

Washington Wizards get:
Chris Paul
Landry Shamet
Multiple second-round picks
Multiple pick swaps

Suns: D

Will adding Beal help the Suns even things up with the defending champion Denver Nuggets after losing to them in the 2023 conference semifinals?

After years of speculation about Beal's possible departure from the Wizards, a deal came together swiftly in the days after ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported Wednesday that the Wizards' front office would work together with Beal and his agent to find a new home for the longtime Washington All-Star.

So what kind of player is Beal at this stage of his career, two years removed from averaging 31.3 PPG and battling Stephen Curry for the scoring title until the last day of the season? Since then, Beal hasn't even so much as made the All-Star team, averaging 23.2 PPG while playing a combined 90 games.

The encouraging news is that Beal was about as efficient as ever last season, posting a .593 true shooting percentage that matched his mark from 2020-21. Unlike 2021-22, when Beal shot a career-low 30% from 3-point range, last year's scoring drop was a function of playing fewer minutes (33.5, his fewest since overcoming stress injuries in his right lower leg that limited his availability early in his career) and a 29% usage rate that was Beal's lowest since 2018-19.

Playing alongside Devin Booker and Kevin Durant, Beal won't need to maintain the massive usage rates -- in the 34% range -- he posted in 2019-20 and 2020-21, the highest-scoring seasons of his career. And compared with many high-scoring stars, Beal is better positioned to maintain his value without the ball in his hands as frequently.

According to data from NBA Advanced Stats, Beal posted a 52% effective field goal percentage on shots with at least two seconds of touch time beforehand, which can broadly be thought of as self-created attempts. That jumped to 61% on attempts with less touch time than two seconds.

Relative to the average NBA player, Beal's ability to create his own shot is more impressive. (League average eFG% was 50% on self-created shots and 59% on all other attempts.) But in an absolute sense, moving to a situation where more of his shots are created by others will make Beal more efficient. That ratio had probably skewed too far toward self-creation in Washington, where 68% of Beal's shots were self-created.

In particular, the biggest shift in Beal's game has been the percentage of his 3-point attempts coming off the dribble. Playing with John Wall early in his career, Beal feasted on a steady diet of catch-and-shoot 3s, peaking at 395 such attempts in 2016-17 at a 41.5% clip according to Second Spectrum tracking. Those represented 71% of Beal's total 3-pointers. Last season, per Second Spectrum, barely half of Beal's 3-point tries were catch-and-shoots.

After a dreadful 2020-21 performance on catch-and-shoot 3s (29%, his lowest in the tracking era, which dates back to Beal's second NBA season), he bounced back to hit 40% last season, according to Second Spectrum tracking. That skill, including Beal's ability to be a threat coming off screens, is why teams have long coveted him as a complementary star.

The challenge of fitting Beal in is that he's being paid like a top-tier superstar rather than a complementary one. Based on the current projection for the 2023-24 salary cap, Beal's salary will come in as the NBA's fifth-largest, trailing only Curry and three players who will make next season's max on extensions that kick in (Joel Embiid, LeBron James and Nikola Jokic).

That salary has been an impediment for the Wizards building a winner around Beal, and although Phoenix doesn't have to worry about adding star talent, filling out the rest of the roster will be a challenge.

Worse yet, Beal is early in the five-year contract he signed with Washington less than a year ago. His salary increases to $57 million in 2026-27 (a player option), when Beal will be 33. An escalating salary cap will likely grow faster than Beal's contract, but not enough to offset age-related decline. That's why the return the Wizards got in terms of picks and players isn't commensurate with Beal's reputation as a player.

More so than whether Beal was the right star to pursue to go with Booker and Durant, the question for the Suns is whether adding a star was the right move as opposed to trying to use Paul's contract to beef up their depth with multiple contributors.

In Booker and Durant, Phoenix already has two of the league's best individual scorers. Yes, we saw against the Nuggets how a committed, effective defense could slow down Durant, who averaged 29.5 PPG in the series but shot just 45% from the field and 22% from 3-point range.

Still, the Suns' larger issue was their lack of two-way role players, which forced them to tilt heavily toward weaker defenders to space the floor well enough for Booker and Durant to operate -- allowing Denver to feast offensively.

Beal can be that kind of player. When motivated, he's been a quality individual defender on the perimeter. Still, his addition makes Phoenix small on the wing with a pair of natural shooting guards listed at 6-foot-4 (Beal) and 6-5 (Booker) -- unless the Suns plan to use Booker at point guard, taxing him with more offensive responsibilities but putting more size on the court.

Moreover, Phoenix again traded multiple contributors for a single player. The quartet of Beal, Booker, Durant and center Deandre Ayton will combine to make $163 million in 2023-24, enough to already put the Suns into the luxury tax without signing even a fifth player to make a full lineup.

As a result, without an Ayton trade, the Suns assuredly won't have access to their taxpayer midlevel exception because of incoming rules restricting teams that exceed the second luxury tax apron. Phoenix could still re-sign its own free agents, most notably forward Torrey Craig, but any outside additions to the roster will likely be limited to players making the veteran's minimum.

There's a path to the Suns filling out the roster by taking advantage of veterans' desire to pursue a championship in an attractive, warm-weather market. But we don't have to look back further than the 2021-22 Los Angeles Lakers to see the potential pitfalls in trying to build a roster this way.

Given how much time all three of Phoenix's All-Stars have missed to injury -- they combined to play 61% of possible games last season -- it's plausible the Suns could find themselves battling just to avoid the play-in next spring.

Games Played Past Two NBA Seasons
PLAYER 2021-22 2022-23
Bradley Beal 40 50
Devin Booker 68 53
Kevin Durant 55 47
Total 163 150
The problem will only get worse in future seasons, when Phoenix will be limited by the second apron in terms of adding through the draft and free agency while Beal and Durant (35 by the start of next season) age. Perhaps a satisfying Ayton trade will emerge that both enhances the Suns' depth and takes them out of second-apron purgatory, but that's an enormous risk to willingly take -- using much of Phoenix's minuscule remaining draft capital in the process.

The Durant trade seemed like a reasonable gamble to take at the time, given its championship upside. Adding Beal to the mix after an early playoff exit, by contrast, feels more like doubling down on a hand that was already losing.

Wizards: B-

The urgency for the Wizards to make a move now, while Beal was inclined to waive his no-trade clause, is clear. Washington let Beal go for less than what it could have dreamed of getting a few years ago so it could avoid his trade value dropping further over time as he ages and teams reckon with the impact of the second tax apron.

Already, the market for Beal seems to have been impacted by the possibility of Damian Lillard coming available later this summer, depending on what the Portland Trail Blazers do with the No. 3 pick. That might have limited how far the Miami Heat were willing to go in pursuit of Beal. As a result, Washington came out of this trade without a single first-round pick, although swaps in the distant future could have value if the Suns implode due to age.

The biggest question here, then, is whether the Wizards would have been better off waiting to see if the Blazers can swing a deal for a veteran who might have ensured Lillard's happiness with Portland's roster. In that scenario, Washington might have been able to leverage a deal heavier on draft picks out of Miami.

It will be interesting to see how the Wizards handle Paul. The bulk of Paul's $30.8 million salary for 2023-24, previously $15.8 million guaranteed, must become guaranteed for salary-matching purposes. (He'll bump up to $28.4 million guaranteed, per ESPN's Bobby Marks.) If Kristaps Porzingis exercises his $36 million player option, Washington won't have cap space this year, meaning a Paul buyout doesn't carry much benefit. The team would surely instead prefer to flip Paul elsewhere for a similar salary and modest draft compensation.

As for Shamet, despite having three years left on the extension he signed ahead of the 2021-22 season, he's functionally an expiring contract. Shamet's 2024-25 and 2025-26 salaries are non-guaranteed, meaning the Wizards can come out of this trade without any salary on their books beyond next season.

Depending how Washington handles Porzingis and Kyle Kuzma -- with the latter all but certain to decline a $13 million player option in favor of free agency -- it's possible Daniel Gafford's $13.4 million salary will be the largest for the Wizards in 2024-25. That will give Washington the ability to use cap space next summer to take on unwanted contracts from other teams in exchange for draft compensation.

Perhaps the most important thing the Wizards get out of this deal is clarity about the team's direction. After years of trying to make the playoffs with little upside beyond losing in the first round, Washington has finally acknowledged reality with the arrival of a new front office led by team president Michael Winger.

Rebuilding offers no guarantees for the Wizards, but it allows them to aspire for something more than 45 wins and a competitive first-round exit.

symsymsym, Sunday, 18 June 2023 23:39 (eleven months ago) link

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lag∞n, Sunday, 18 June 2023 23:51 (eleven months ago) link

oh that's awesome

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 June 2023 00:06 (eleven months ago) link

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― lag∞n, Sunday, June 18, 2023 7:51 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

is this true for other sites too?

k3vin k., Monday, 19 June 2023 00:19 (eleven months ago) link

maybe but none that i know of unfortunately, there is actually a way to read all articles tho which i prob shouldve said in the first place which is go to archive.ph paste the link of the article you want and it will show it to you like https://archive.ph/k877E

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 00:24 (eleven months ago) link

Nice of the Wiz to include Jordan Goodwin, feel like the Suns are gonna need some guys like that

frogbs, Monday, 19 June 2023 00:49 (eleven months ago) link

a nice touch is that beal will still have a no-trade clause in phoenix

mookieproof, Monday, 19 June 2023 00:58 (eleven months ago) link

thats fine, they just have to trade booker instead when it doesnt work out

ciderpress, Monday, 19 June 2023 01:00 (eleven months ago) link

james jones went to the lebron school of GMing I see lol

k3vin k., Monday, 19 June 2023 01:18 (eleven months ago) link

literally

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 01:33 (eleven months ago) link

how did they know

CHRIS PAUL YOU ARE A WIZARD. pic.twitter.com/7uooJFalT0

— Phoenix Suns (@Suns) February 2, 2022

frogbs, Monday, 19 June 2023 12:43 (eleven months ago) link

ok took me a second but lmao

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 19 June 2023 12:53 (eleven months ago) link

haha same

k3vin k., Monday, 19 June 2023 14:29 (eleven months ago) link

i was playing some poker yesterday and there was a guy with a cp3 suns jersey there. a few hours before the trade tho

k3vin k., Monday, 19 June 2023 14:29 (eleven months ago) link

Just bought my son a wizards fitted cap. Looking forward to them maybe being worthwhile in 4 years

Heez, Monday, 19 June 2023 14:49 (eleven months ago) link

ESPN's Windy noted the philosophical difference in Suns opting for Beal trade and Miami passing. 2nd apron -with big tax and very restrictive rules- "concerned" Heat. Suns new owner thought if "they were going to pierce the second apron, it was better to explode right through it"

— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) June 19, 2023



As Woj said this AM, Suns offer to Washington was best offer received. That's why Suns got him. Woj said Wizards 5 or 6 2nd round picks received are equivalent to 1 or 2 first rounders. Plus, Suns gave Wizards expiring money. Heat didn't.

— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) June 19, 2023



it feels like the breaking point here was that the heat wanted the wiz to take back in all likelihood duncan robinson to lessen miami’s tax bill. what’s curious to me is why the wiz are so reluctant to take back salary if they’re just going to be tanking for 2-3 years… they *are* going to be tanking for 2-3 years right?

J0rdan S., Monday, 19 June 2023 15:08 (eleven months ago) link

*ominous music plays*

ciderpress, Monday, 19 June 2023 15:10 (eleven months ago) link

*MJ suits up*

Heez, Monday, 19 June 2023 15:13 (eleven months ago) link

lol salute

Suns new owner thought if "they were going to pierce the second apron, it was better to explode right through it"

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 15:13 (eleven months ago) link

sounds like the heat didnt want to put lowrys expiring contract in the trade, rather just have it come off the books, or use it to get dame i guess

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 15:17 (eleven months ago) link

In attempt to appease Heat target Lillard and build contender, Blazers looking to make deal for vets with not only third pick but also no. 23 pick, per ESPN today. Obviously need great value to move third pick.

— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) June 19, 2023



i think the fact that scoot is now the heavy betting favorite to go 2 works in miami’s (or whoever’s) favor here. i just don’t think this third pick is really all that valuable if there is no potential of getting scoot — idk who is trading a really good veteran player in order to get brandon miller or one of the other guys. we’re back to there being a big cliff after the top 2 in this draft. 23rd pick gets you a deanthony melton type which is useful but not changing dame’s life.

the blazers were in the catbird seat in a scenario where scoot falls to 3 but if he’s going 2 then i don’t think they’re in a very enviable spot. picking miller or cam whitmore to put w/ their current roster doesn’t get them anywhere. this is the scenario that points them in the direction of taking their best option at 3, trading dame & building around that guy simons & sharpe imo

J0rdan S., Monday, 19 June 2023 15:21 (eleven months ago) link

I know individual opinions will differ, but aren't scoot and miller pretty much seen as equivalent bets?

k3vin k., Monday, 19 June 2023 15:39 (eleven months ago) link

seems like the blazers just arent ready to trade dame

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 15:41 (eleven months ago) link

such a dumb situation

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 15:41 (eleven months ago) link

i am sympathetic to wanting to keep the franchise player for their whole career

ciderpress, Monday, 19 June 2023 15:48 (eleven months ago) link

I know individual opinions will differ, but aren't scoot and miller pretty much seen as equivalent bets?


i think a shorthand timeline of the situation is that scoot was the clear no 2 before the year but during the college season miller seemed to come even with him in the great mind of the general consensus, bcuz miller was playing well on the no 1 team in college ball while scoot was playing decently in obscurity. but in the last few weeks when teams have been doing individual workouts it’s all flipped back the other way where now scoot is the heavy betting favorite to go 2 & vegas has a pretty good track record across sports in nailing the odds on these top picks. ppl like givony have been saying that scoot has been blowing ppl away in workouts where as miller has shown up w sub par conditioning etc

givony actually has miller over scoot but i think he’s out on a limb there tho his evals are interesting in relation to portland bcuz of the espn connection there now. hollinger actually has cam whitmore over miller

J0rdan S., Monday, 19 June 2023 15:57 (eleven months ago) link

i am sympathetic to wanting to keep the franchise player for their whole career

― ciderpress, Monday, June 19, 2023 11:48 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

its just not how the league is set up to work, the blazers and dame need to face reality

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 16:12 (eleven months ago) link

it would work if they werent paying a bunch of middling players

ciderpress, Monday, 19 June 2023 16:17 (eleven months ago) link

hollinger actually has cam whitmore over miller

vecenie too. whitmore had some ridiculously low number of passes this year at villanova, i think he's mocked high bc of his age and athleticism. he's for sure a high ceiling, low floor guy bc he could totally bust in the wrong development program (ie hou, det) bc of his lack of "feel".

the big knock on miller is his lack of finishing and athleticism. if he doesnt fix his efficiency at the rim, it really limits his offensive ceiling. i buy his shooting and could see a middleton type role for him, but i dont see him being better than scoot.

the knock on scoot is his shooting (which is not terrible) and his lack of positional size (really just height bc he's very strong

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 19 June 2023 16:27 (eleven months ago) link

this draft is fascinating bc there are so many high upside swings (thompsons, whitmore, miller) high in the draft, so we could have some crazy variance in actual career performance where ppl will say "lol it was so obvious that (x) was going to hit/bust"

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 19 June 2023 16:29 (eleven months ago) link

re guys staying with their teams, the complicating factor nowadays that wasn’t present when guys were staying with one team forever in previous decades is that the best guys are going to be getting $50m-$60m per year now even into their mid to late 30s. i think some teams will just accept that as reality — like i don’t see the sixers trading embiid so that they don’t have to pay his age 36 season — but the money involved now makes the incentives on both sides different than they used to be

J0rdan S., Monday, 19 June 2023 16:31 (eleven months ago) link

ive been watching videos on some of the PGs bc i want the spurs to trade up soe of their dozen 1rps to get someone in the late lottery/mid-1st round. i think kobe bufkin could be really good in the nba. his shooting splits are outstanding and he's got good positional size, seems to have a good overall skillset. anthony black should be at minimum a functional rotation player, like a bigger ricky rubio i guess, and if he ever develops a jumper he could be really impactful. im afraid washington will draft him and ruin him. cason wallace is one i like but am wondering if he can anything more than a pat bev type. hood-schifino is my favorite name in the draft and i want him to succeed on that alone.

xp

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 19 June 2023 16:34 (eleven months ago) link

seems like the blazers just arent ready to trade dame

they'll wait until the perception around the league is that they have no choice left except to trade dame so as to minimize his trade value

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 19 June 2023 16:49 (eleven months ago) link

jumping back to the beal deal for a sec,

Woj said Wizards 5 or 6 2nd round picks received are equivalent to 1 or 2 first rounders.

this is highly dubious, they seem to think they're in the nfl. i guess with an increasing number of teams wealthy with 1st rounders from teardowns, some of them may be willing to trade down for overseas stashes or whatever... but ime this is not how the nba works, 2nd rd picks are the cryptocurrency of the nba

that being said wiz fans have to be feeling some sense of a new dawn that they don't have to keep trying to build around beal, whatever the return was

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 19 June 2023 17:26 (eleven months ago) link

also very excited for there to be an nba player named kobe bufkin. let's end our long national nightmare of a kobe-less nba

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 19 June 2023 17:27 (eleven months ago) link

feel like there may be more of that now that kids born in the 00s are entering the league

ciderpress, Monday, 19 June 2023 17:41 (eleven months ago) link

you could get a bad first for a bunch of seconds prob so the statement is technically true i guess

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 17:45 (eleven months ago) link

there are so many pro athletes named shaq now

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 17:45 (eleven months ago) link

Second round picks are more like a wishing well for nba front offices. About one in fifty picks becomes a valuable piece of the rotation for a good team. About one in a million turns out to be Nikola Jokic.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 19 June 2023 17:49 (eleven months ago) link

crazy fact I just read - outside of Bucks/Suns in 2021 every Finals since 2011 has included either the Heat or the Warriors. and yet they never faced each other.

frogbs, Monday, 19 June 2023 17:55 (eleven months ago) link

hope someday we see a team with a kobe and lebron playing side by side, bringing harmony to the universe

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 19 June 2023 17:59 (eleven months ago) link

People around the league expect the Pelicans to move Zion Williamson by Thursday, per @BillSimmons

“The Zion thing is a real, real, real, subplot. I had somebody tell me yesterday—that I trust—that he will not be on [the Pelicans] by Thursday.” pic.twitter.com/CXZAgpr2kr

— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) June 19, 2023

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 18:30 (eleven months ago) link

good

ciderpress, Monday, 19 June 2023 18:31 (eleven months ago) link

gotta be a deal to charlotte for the #2

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 19 June 2023 18:34 (eleven months ago) link

I feel like Scoot Henderson is going to go before Miller partially because his name is so cool

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 June 2023 18:43 (eleven months ago) link

developing a new orlando magic theory

ciderpress, Monday, 19 June 2023 18:45 (eleven months ago) link

melo-zion could be crazy if either of them ever play in games and learn defense

lag∞n, Monday, 19 June 2023 18:54 (eleven months ago) link

2 big ifs!

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 19 June 2023 19:04 (eleven months ago) link


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