ITS THE OFFS BABY THE 2023 NBA PLAYOFFS

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they like to let giannis roam doesnt seem like they ever use him as a perimeter stopper which idk why not

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 02:56 (three years ago)

Just finished and just wow man incredible stuff if you don’t like that you don’t like nba basketball

Spottie, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 03:08 (three years ago)

i didn't like that

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 03:14 (three years ago)

lol

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 03:16 (three years ago)

feel like they’ve made an organizational decision to save giannis for offense and then they don’t play great offense so idk how well it’s working

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 03:21 (three years ago)

espn nba rank had trae young and karl anthony towns ranked ahead of butler at the beginning of the season

― J0rdan S., Monday, April 24, 2023 10:52 PM (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

82 game players vs 16 game players

k3vin k., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 03:37 (three years ago)

one of the knocks on budenholzer is he just doesn’t make adjustments like that, he sticks to the game plan. idk

k3vin k., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 03:38 (three years ago)

advanced stats have always liked butler even in the reg season...hes consistently in like the top 15 in the bkref metrics

ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 03:53 (three years ago)

also he's a strong hater

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 03:56 (three years ago)

ya I kind wondered how it's possible Butler just gets so much better in the playoffs but his regular season numbers are pretty good too

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 03:57 (three years ago)

i was gonna say ppl just underrate butler in the regular season. last year he was the undisputed best player on the no 1 seed in the east w/ a roster that is half undrafted players and not only did he never get mentioned in MVP discussions he didn’t even make all NBA. and then he was easily one of the 5 best players in the playoffs last year. and then didn’t make the all star team.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 04:10 (three years ago)

some insane stuff from ja at the end of the third quarter there

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 04:10 (three years ago)

butler misses a lot of time, which is probably part of it. if you’re talking about someone to carry your team for a regular season and get a good seed, I can totally see the argument for having 15-20 guys ahead of him. but the playoffs are a different story

k3vin k., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 04:34 (three years ago)

15-20 guys ahead of him even for the regular season is insane then again a bunch of professional basketball writers just ranked karl towns and trae young over him so this might just be one ppl can’t grasp for whatever reason

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 04:40 (three years ago)

the grizz!

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 04:42 (three years ago)

crazy pass by ja

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 04:43 (three years ago)

lebron james

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 04:44 (three years ago)

JJJ a tick late

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 04:45 (three years ago)

davis smacking that shit into another dimension lol

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 04:46 (three years ago)

it must be said… lebron james

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 04:58 (three years ago)

pretty rough loss for the grizzlies

they were resilient tonight so i’m not counting them out of this series but they’re in a tough spot now

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 05:11 (three years ago)

The Bucks, Cavs and Grizzlies aren't in *quite* as bad a situation as the overall 95% series win probability for teams up 3-1. Most teams up 3-1 have home court. They've won 98% of the time since 1984* (119-2). When the team without home court is up 3-1, that drops to 89% (44-5).

— Kevin Pelton (@kpelton) April 25, 2023

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 05:11 (three years ago)

excited for two more days of is dillon brooks a villain

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 05:16 (three years ago)

Jimmy Butler this playoffs:

36.5 PPG
5.5 RPG
5.0 APG

Only MJ and LeBron have averaged 35/5/5 on 50+ FG% in a playoffs… Jimmy is doing it on 62.8 FG%. pic.twitter.com/LY6JAkCdEb

— StatMuse (@statmuse) April 25, 2023

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 05:17 (three years ago)

Jas career is not going to last very long hes way to reckless

Spottie, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 05:23 (three years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuiQvIlXwAggYGX?format=jpg&name=large

Spottie, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 06:59 (three years ago)

hmm are we really going to have a 1 seed and a 2 seed lose in the same playoffs. when did that last happen

ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 13:33 (three years ago)

lose in the first round, rather

ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 13:33 (three years ago)

that ja play spottie posted made me say “oh no” out loud

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 13:55 (three years ago)

Last night the Heat became the seventh team in postseason history to shoot 40+ percent from three on at least 25 attempts in four consecutive games.

The other six teams finished Top 10 in 3pt% in their respective seasons. Miami finished No. 27.

— Couper Moorhead (@CoupNBA) April 25, 2023



heat were the no 1 three point shooting team last year. were just about last in the league this year. regression swinging back on the bucks hard unfortunately for them

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 14:47 (three years ago)

hard to complain because they did win a title but "regression to the mean" is a pretty common phrase here during the playoffs. usually it's b/c the Bucks are often top 10 from deep over the regular season but wind up shooting something like 18% from 3 over the course of an entire series. speaking of which I noticed Jrue had yet another one of those 2 for 11 shooting games

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 14:54 (three years ago)

Though I do think there's a lot to be said for Miami's shooters and scorers all having a certain comfort level against Milwaukee's scheme. There's always a shot available to them, for the most part, even if they aren't premium opportunities.

— Couper Moorhead (@CoupNBA) April 25, 2023



this is an interesting point tho. these teams have played a ton & the bucks are always happy to give the heat role players open threes. neither side in this match up seems to be playing any strategic cards the other hasn’t seen before. in terms of most threes made in a game, 4 of the top 10 totals in heat history have come against the bucks

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 14:57 (three years ago)

i was lead to believe that the bucks had cleaned up their 3pt defense this year

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 15:12 (three years ago)

sad lol

Mike Budenholzer making adjustments pic.twitter.com/ImGonPOwZE

— Craigory Smith (@nihilist_bucks) June 8, 2021

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 15:18 (three years ago)

haa

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 15:19 (three years ago)

pretty insane they never took the ball out of butler's hands when the heat have zero other players who can do anything w/ the ball at this point

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 15:21 (three years ago)

went back and watched highlights of butler's game 6 vs boston last year and scoring 103 points across two playoff games is crazy enough in itself but in crunch time in both games he was being guarded largely by jrue holiday & marcus smart. and then throughout the game last night he scored repeatedly on giannis & brook, prob two of the 5 best defenders in the game, and in the boston game last year he got robert williams a few times at the rim as well as horford. and he was being checked by tatum at times. not only huge scoring games but just ruthlessly killing some of the best defenders of this era w/ midrange excellence and professor level footwork in the paint. his knack for and 1s in those games is incredible as well and overall just has an irreplaceable feel for the moment & the ability to get huge buckets at the absolute crunchiest of crunch time

also it will be forgotten but in both games the heat needed a role player to hit some big open threes in the fourth quarter to keep the heat afloat. it was lowry vs boston (i had forgotten about this, he was huge in that game) and martin last night

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 16:46 (three years ago)

salute to jimmy love jimmy one of the coolest players out there for sure

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 16:49 (three years ago)

15-20 guys ahead of him even for the regular season is insane then again a bunch of professional basketball writers just ranked karl towns and trae young over him so this might just be one ppl can’t grasp for whatever reason

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, April 25, 2023 12:40 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

ultimately you and I agree that he’s generally an underrated player, but people can be forgiven for taking the under on him as an 82 game guy imo. per dunksandthrees, coming into this season he’d ranked 13th, 35th, 11th, 8th, 23rd in estimated wins over the past 5 years. he also shot under 25% from 3 the past 3 years and is a pretty mediocre shooter from all over the floor in general, relying almost completely on getting to the free throw line to have a passably efficient offensive game, which considering he turned 33 this year was a fair bet to regress. but to his credit he had the best year of his career. bless the doctors in miami

k3vin k., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 16:51 (three years ago)

7-16 from three in those games too. i don’t understand how he can just be like, wow biggest game of the year huh ok time for me to be amazing at this thing i normally suck at

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 16:51 (three years ago)

xp to myself occam’s razor suggests he just doesn’t try as hard in the regular season, seems like he’s reaching the same conclusion as most of the non-embiid superstars there

k3vin k., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 16:53 (three years ago)

:)

atl just controlling this game after losing 14 of 16 to the heat wild stuff

― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 11, 2023 9:53 PM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

happy news for the celtics heat always give them trouble

― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 11, 2023 9:54 PM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 16:53 (three years ago)

i was gonna say ppl just underrate butler in the regular season. last year he was the undisputed best player on the no 1 seed in the east w/ a roster that is half undrafted players and not only did he never get mentioned in MVP discussions he didn’t even make all NBA. and then he was easily one of the 5 best players in the playoffs last year. and then didn’t make the all star team.

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 04:10 (twelve hours ago)

Obv the guy is a HOFer but it's still amazing to me that he remains underrated. I do think he was overshadowed on his teams before taking his talents to Miami, also probably just the fact he bounced around a bit before settling in there. Players who are on several different teams over such a short span, in any sport, are gonna get dinged for it. It's not even a conscious thing but more a narrative thing. It's more the perception of him vs the reality of him to an extent.

omar little, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 17:03 (three years ago)

I've always liked him, back in his bulls era he was a pleasure to watch evolve (while derrick rose fell apart)

omar little, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 17:04 (three years ago)

also was widely considered insane during that bounce around era

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 17:04 (three years ago)

lol what is this defense

And this is why those Butler vs. Middleton buckets were important. Miami can now tap into that matchup. Lowry screens for Butler, Bucks don't want to switch so it's a show and recover. Jimmy turns the corner, defense helps, kick to Martin for 3. pic.twitter.com/DY3Wy2gc7Z

— Steve Jones Jr. (@stevejones20) April 25, 2023

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 17:08 (three years ago)

ultimately you and I agree that he’s generally an underrated player, but people can be forgiven for taking the under on him as an 82 game guy imo. per dunksandthrees, coming into this season he’d ranked 13th, 35th, 11th, 8th, 23rd in estimated wins over the past 5 years. he also shot under 25% from 3 the past 3 years and is a pretty mediocre shooter from all over the floor in general, relying almost completely on getting to the free throw line to have a passably efficient offensive game, which considering he turned 33 this year was a fair bet to regress. but to his credit he had the best year of his career. bless the doctors in miami

― k3vin k., Tuesday, April 25, 2023 12:51 PM (three minutes ago)

i don't know what estimated wins added per dunksandthrees is but if you wanna go by bball ref win shares overall rank since he's been w/ miami

22-23: 3
21-22: 10
20-21: 5
19-20: 8

win shares per 48:

22-23: 2
21-22: 6
20-21: 3
19-20: 9

538's WAR:

22-23: 5
21-22: 7
20-21: 15
19-20: 9

simple fact of the matter is that he's a top 10 player in the league regular season or playoffs. you can tell me he can't shoot and relies on fouling to be efficient but if you watch the guy every night he really just makes winning plays consistently on both sides of the ball and the above numbers bear that out. for whatever reason this reality eludes the ppl paid to cover the game who have repeatedly told us that players such as trae young, karl anthony towns & pascal siakam are better than butler even when he had the no 1 seed in the east so you're in good company k3vin in not being able to grasp this concept. but he's one of the 10 best players in basketball

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 17:08 (three years ago)

the lack of regular season shooting is def part of it but also theres just something mysterious about jimmy hes not a normal player hes like half superstar wing and half marcus smart

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 17:17 (three years ago)

needless to say extremely sweet combo

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 17:18 (three years ago)

jordan we agree!! he proved all the doubters wrong

EPM is pretty widely considered the best composite metric out there btw and estimated wins is the number that accounts for minutes

k3vin k., Tuesday, 25 April 2023 17:32 (three years ago)


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